Copenhagen, Now and Then

Copenhagen, Now
The fact the President Obama's presence in Copenhagen did not sway the IOC to award the 2016 Olympic Games to Chicago in the long run matters not one iota. While the President should not have gone largely because of the potential for a minor political embarrassment, now realized, he also met with General McChrystal, the ISAF commander in Afghanistan. It was the President's first meeting in person with General McChrystal since he assumed command in June. The fact that Mr. Obama had not talked with General McChrystal since his report, now leaked, was submitted at the end of August had generated criticism especially in conservative quarters. The President's visit with General McChrystal not only truncates that criticism but also allowed the President to presumely ask hard questions directly of the General. More from the New York Times.

Copenhagen, Then
The President will be returning to Copenhagen in December to attend the Global Conference on Climate. The urgency to act on this matter cannot be overstated. To this end, Carol Browner, the former chief of the EPA and now Director of the White House Office of Energy and Climate Change Policy, has been making the case that the United States must act now to limit greenhouse-gas emissions; that sweeping change is necessary and piecemeal fixes are insufficient; and that enacting new regulations would establish the conditions for businesses to pioneer new technologies. The Atlantic has more including video clips of Carol Browner's call to action on climate. Elections have consequences, as they say. Thanks to the election of President Obama, we have competence and scientific rigor in the Administration.

Tags: carol browner, Copenhagen, EPA, General McChrystal, Obama Administration, Olympics (all tags)



Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

A well deserved embarrassment in my view...Waste of tax payer money ...

by lori 2009-10-02 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Hopefully it will awake them to the fact that we are about 250 days into their term, and they have next to nothing to show for it with progressive policy.

TARP and a muddled Afghanistan... and my, its been a long time since I have read anything about any troops leaving Iraq.  What was the timetable?  12 months?

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-02 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

The wins are not on the score board yet . Its bizarre the way the whole Olympic thing was handled    , his instincts was right initially when he said there were more important issues....

I think he his handling Iraq well , but the administration seems to be confused on what the policy should be on Afghanistan...

by lori 2009-10-02 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

No, there are definitely wins on the board-- those members sit on the GS, MS, BAC and other bank boards.  Financially and militarily, there are definite winners already.

by Jerome Armstrong 2009-10-02 07:23PM | 0 recs
We should have never won this election

I honestly dont see how things would be any worse right now if McCain were President.  At least then, the Democratic party probably wouldnt be on its knees.  Well, hopefully we will only have three more years of this nightmare.  

by Kent 2009-10-02 07:58PM | 0 recs

I'm so sick and tired of hearing this shit from you, sick of it. GO DANCE IN TRAFFIC ASSHOLE

by DTOzone 2009-10-02 08:08PM | 0 recs

I second.

by lojasmo 2009-10-03 05:10AM | 0 recs

Would shoving a computer up its owner's ass destroy it? Just asking.

by QTG 2009-10-03 12:15PM | 0 recs
There's a homophobic joke here somewhere

by DTOzone 2009-10-03 01:11PM | 0 recs

I'd think the moisture alone would pose a problem (discomfort aside).

by fogiv 2009-10-03 08:15PM | 0 recs
Re: We should have never won this election

Apparently, you didn't read the second paragraph.

by Charles Lemos 2009-10-02 08:26PM | 0 recs
Re: We should have never won this election
   Hillary is a great women and a historic American, a political giant. BUT SHE LOST. Get over it. Christ.
by alectimmerman 2009-10-03 07:00AM | 0 recs
Indeed; this is an unprecedented calamity

An economic policy that doesn't bother to acknowledge unsustainable deficits, and in fact, exacerbates them with poorly crafted "stimulus" plans.

A foreign policy that is dangerously naive, and based on appeasement. Even the French are alarmed at the situation in Iran.

An energy policy based on the sharing of scarcity....cheered on by an Energy Secretary who urges us to paint our roofs white.

This entire mess is starting to turn the national stomach.....and if President Obama doesn't recognize it and change course, then he has no business leading this nation.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-10-03 08:27PM | 0 recs
Yeah same shit we've been hearing for nine months


"The country is turning against him, you watch, they're fed up with him"

meanwhile he still has approval ratings in the 50's.

by DTOzone 2009-10-03 08:31PM | 0 recs
Rasmussen has him at 48%, 51% negative

and all we hear from people like Charlie Cook is that next year's Congessional midterms look like a blood bath. Obama's drop in major polls is the greatest first year drop since Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon.

Can you actually look at Obama's first year in office and say, "well done!". Do you really think that the American people people are now thinking, "wow, we want three more years of this!"

by BJJ Fighter 2009-10-03 08:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen has him at 48%, 51% negative

Helluva job there, Barry!

by hwc 2009-10-03 10:10PM | 0 recs
Oh de Rasmussen has him negative

the same pollster that repeadidly had George W. Bush 5%-10% more popular than every other polls.

If he's at 48% in Ras, that means he's at 53%-58% nationally.

Can you actually look at Obama's first year in office and say, "well done!". Do you really think that the American people people are now thinking, "wow, we want three more years of this!"


Obama's drop in major polls is the greatest first year drop since Gerald Ford pardoned Nixon.

WRONG! Bill Clinton plummented from 60% to 35% in about five months. Ronald Reagan dropped from 85% to 55% in nine months.

Facts are stubborn things.

by DTOzone 2009-10-03 10:21PM | 0 recs
What do you care?

You should want more Republican victories so we can return to the glory days of Saint Ronald with tax cuts, more defense spending, and invasions of random non-threatening countries.

by JJE 2009-10-04 06:24AM | 0 recs
No, not more Republican victories

I come from the DLC wing of the Democratic Party--the pragmatic part that believes in prosperity, optimism, and freedom. With people like Evan Bayh and Mary Landrieu, we can have plenty of Democratic victories.

by BJJ Fighter 2009-10-04 07:33AM | 0 recs
Prosperity, optimism, and freedom

Sounds like a great slogan, completely devoid of substance, of course.

But when you you're from the part of the party that thinks the best thing for Democrats is to be more like Republicans, the Iraq war was a great idea, and the 2002 tax cuts were wise, I can see why you'd want to stick to slogans.

by JJE 2009-10-04 09:09AM | 0 recs
I guess I was living in a different world

in the 1980's, as my family was neither properous, nor optimistic, nor very free.

by DTOzone 2009-10-04 09:56AM | 0 recs
18 months

The timetable is 18 months, with all troops to be out of Iraq by December 2011.  And the troops are shifting...have been shifting.  There has been a lot going on in both theaters...too bad it's deeply buried underneath the ridiculousness that has taken over politics in this country...including how TERRIBLE it is that Obama spent one day advocating for the U.S. to host the Olympic games.  Yes, let's spend our time and energy on that made up "news story"....

by NavyBlueWife 2009-10-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
One day?

I think he was only there for something like 5 hours.

And wasn't he on his way back from somewhere else?

It's a pretty ridiculous argument.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-02 08:40PM | 0 recs
True that.

Forgiveness for playing fast and loose with the phrase "one day".

It's beyond ridiculous...but that's what politics has become...made up, Jerry Springer drama.

by NavyBlueWife 2009-10-02 08:44PM | 0 recs
But it doesn't have to be

I think the criticism of Obama here smacks of desperation. This is the best they have? I guess they have to take it where they can, because there isn't much room for logical criticism.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-02 09:07PM | 0 recs
Re: True that.

I've heard it said that "If you can't win someone over with the truth, you dazzle them with bullshit."

by onlinesavant 2009-10-03 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: One day?

Met with McChrystal on AF1

by lojasmo 2009-10-03 05:11AM | 0 recs
Not Progressive Enough?

I found this online list of President Obama's accomplishments over on Daily Kos.

Am I reading that wrong?

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-02 08:37PM | 0 recs
Permission to pwn you Jerome tent/article/2009/09/29/AR2009092904133. html

About 4,000 U.S. troops to leave Iraq in October

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States will withdraw about 4,000 troops from Iraq by the end of October, the U.S. military commander in Iraq said in testimony prepared for a congressional hearing on Wednesday.

In his assessment of the war, General Ray Odierno will tell the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee that the United States is on track to withdraw all combat troops from Iraq by September 2010.

by DTOzone 2009-10-02 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Permission to pwn you Jerome

That's not fair.  He didn't say troops weren't leaving Iraq, he said that it had been a long time since "we" had heard anything about it.  Which is arguably true.  Or at least you can't prove it isn't.

Here's a 45 minute Jerry Garcia guitar solo which illustrates the point.

by Jess81 2009-10-02 08:55PM | 0 recs
That article was from Tuesday lol

by DTOzone 2009-10-02 09:13PM | 0 recs
It's hard to follow news on the military...

Especially when we MUST create cover these super duper important issues like these.

by NavyBlueWife 2009-10-02 08:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Perhaps you should search the internet about the troop withdrawals.

by lojasmo 2009-10-03 05:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Says a great deal about you in that you think this was an "embarrassment" for the President, and you speak of it with glee. The President's appearance could not guarantee anything, and the fact of the matter is that Rio was ALWAYS the front-runner. But I would have hoped that he would have represented his home city AND his country. In my mind, anything else would have been untoward. However, I understand. You're one of those types who look for anything to criticize this President upon, and since you don't know enough about the most relevant issues to be able to form an intelligent opinion about his perspectives upon them, you concentrate on the petty, and the banal.Feh.

by onlinesavant 2009-10-02 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Lori, it sounds as if you have many reasons for your misguided view.

by captain dan 2009-10-03 08:33AM | 0 recs
It was a lose lose propostion

Obama doesn't go and the right screams if only, if only he had gone we would have the Olympics in 2016. They sound fairly righteous about it.

Obama goes and the right gleefully crows that he went and we lost the Olympics. Except now the right looks petty, and downright unAmerican. Which of courese is exactly what they are.

Today's was the best outcome possible.

by SF Bay 2009-10-02 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: It was a lose lose propostion

I kind of agree.  I was an agnostic on where the games should be held, but the Republicans are having their "Palestinians Cheer 9/11" moment.

by Jess81 2009-10-02 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then
Chiacgo lost its chance at the 2015 games 13 years ago, just like New York did for 2012, and the attitude of a lot of the people cheering today's loss and speculating on politcal damage to the President are partly to blame.
Between the Centennial Park bombing and the crass commericalism at Atlanta, as well as the political attitude of some Americans at that tiem turned off a lot of the World and succeeding events didn't help matters.
by spirowasright 2009-10-02 08:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then
A minor corredction:
Chicago lost its chance at the 2016 Olympics 13 years ago (not 2015,forgive the typo).
by spirowasright 2009-10-02 08:32PM | 0 recs
Maybe some good can come of this

I think a lot of the criticism leveled against Atlanta by the IOC is unfounded. They are a notoriously unamerican, eurocentric cabal. If the IOC were democratic, and the world had a say in where the world's games should go, there might be less heartache. The IOC is a bunch of old white aristocrats with a median age of 72. Only 15% of the members are women.

I also think that if the US wants to be competitive, the USOC needs Federal funding, and the selected city by the USOC needs a guarantee of reasonable funding for the endeavor should it win. The US does not back it's cities, and instead, municipalities like Chicago are forced to go it alone against entire nations, which is kind of humbling.

I urge President Obama to address both of those points.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-02 09:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Maybe some good can come of this

"I also think that if the US wants to be competitive, the USOC needs Federal funding, and the selected city by the USOC needs a guarantee of reasonable funding for the endeavor should it win. "


Jesus H. Christ??? Isn't the federal deficit big enough already? Now, the taxpayer is supposed to finance the Obama's thug buddies Olympic goose chase, too. What? Oprah's not enough?

by hwc 2009-10-03 10:14PM | 0 recs
He was talking about future bids

you douche.

by DTOzone 2009-10-03 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Urgency on climate change?

What's the carbon footprint of flying the Air Force One never-ending campaign show to Europe for 18 Chicago votes? Please. Urgency on climate change?

by hwc 2009-10-02 09:01PM | 0 recs

read the same thing, verbatum, on RedState a few minutes ago.

by DTOzone 2009-10-02 09:14PM | 0 recs
So, he shouldn't have gone?

And kudos to those other heads of states for biking all the way from their foreign lands. The trip from Rio is a killer.

by NoFortunateSon 2009-10-02 09:16PM | 0 recs
Especially the Japanese delegation

because I'm sure they wouldn't fly halfway around the world in polluting jetliners...seeing as a certain Protocal was signed in their country and all.

by DTOzone 2009-10-02 09:23PM | 0 recs
Some of you here are worse than Beck

I am as frustrated with the lack of audacity by this President as anyone. I wanted FDR and got closer to Clinton.

That being said, this administration has accomplished many progressive ideals. To say they have done nothing is a slap in the face to Lily Ledbetter and children's health care, extending benefits to same sex federal workers, and many more.

He just spent 18 hours out of a 4-8 year presidency on something of national pride. Chicago didn't lose so much as Rio was an inevitable winner.

Keep pushing to get us out of Gitmo, pass EFCA, out of Afghanistan and Iraq, end DADT, end DOMA, appoint more good judges, etc.

But don't be revisionist jerks just because you are still bitter Hillary didn't win.

Thanks, (because one Beck/Hannity in this world is already too many)

by alectimmerman 2009-10-03 03:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

To say I am a little frustrated with folks moaning (not to mention spouting RW talking points) that Obama took 18 whole hours out of his day to promote Chicago and THE US would be an understatement. Then you take away the time during this trip he would have been asleep anyway you are down to maybe 11 hours he was out of DC. Good grief people get a grip. Had he not gone the right would have slammed him for it, as well.

Jerome we get you don't like the guy, we got it months ago same with Lori et al. I have come to the conclusion he could walk on water and you would find fault with it. It's getting almost pointless to read what you have to say if the point is always the same - Obama sucks.

by jsfox 2009-10-03 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Copenhagen, Now and Then

Amen. Let's push Obama from the left, by all means. Lets hold his feet to the fire for sure. But this is right wing drivel worthy of Redstate. If I wanted Redstate I'd just go there.

by alectimmerman 2009-10-03 07:03AM | 0 recs
Now that Copenhagen is over

It is time for Obama to come back, follow the lead of Alan Grayson on health care and go on the offensive. We have had enough of this "let's hold hands" bipartisan nonsense. We have a supermajority, it's time he found the cojones to get meaningful health care reform done.

by tarheel74 2009-10-03 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Now that Copenhagen is over

If Obama did follow Grayson's lead, would you give him credit for it?

by spirowasright 2009-10-03 12:34PM | 0 recs
In Summary

<deep breath> ....OBambi "O"ligarch with a DC mindset, wrapped in a DC bubble, arrogant, presumptuous, undocumented communist Nazi Messiah Anti-Christ Mooslim Chicago gangster timid centrist, Florida/Michigan vote stealing pretender, Texas Caucus cheating, misogynist, chosen one. <gasp>  

Why didn't anyone warn us?

by QTG 2009-10-03 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: In Summary

Is that all you've got?

by January 20 2009-10-03 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: In Summary

Wow, you summed up 14 months worth of MyDD diaries in a single run-on sentence, like psychic automatic writing.  If you had a 900 number, I'd call in for $3.99 / minute.  

If Kent/Upstate didn't already provide his daily predictions for free here, you'd be a gabillionaire.

by fogiv 2009-10-03 08:21PM | 0 recs
Re: In Summary

101% win.  One thousand internetz to you, sir/ma'am.

Seriously though, when did MyDD merge with red state?

by lojasmo 2009-10-04 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: In Summary

hard to tell the diffy, right?

by fogiv 2009-10-04 08:43PM | 0 recs


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