Stuck In The Joeldrums

Did you catch Joe Lieberman (CFL-Conn.) speak at the GOP's convention last night? If you missed it: he called himself a Democrat, he attacked Obama, and reminded everyone that God created only one John McCain (that we know of).

So Gibbs calls him a liar, literally:

I know it's frustrating that Joe hasn't been kicked out of the Senate Dem caucus or stripped of his seniority. But look - there's little to be gained acting before the election (Joe's only digging his own political grave). And if you read the tea leaves carefully, you'll see that a McCain loss in November will bring an end to Joe's leverage.

Tags: Election 08, Joe Lieberman (all tags)

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Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

Was making it clear to Joe that he had no future in the Democratic party a wise move ?

If there was a way back to the good graces this may not have happened.

And Joe despite giving a very bad speech was effective as there is no denying he was a democratic VP candidate.

Trying to push the ones you don't like out of the party has the effect of actually pushing them out at which point they generally are no longer concerned with your political well being.

Thanks for speaking at the GOP convention by proxie Mr Lamont.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

Actually, I thought the reaction Joe got was pretty lukewarm, I heard some interviews from the floor where it was pretty casual.

These Republics are the red-meat types, they wanted Zell Miller, not Droopy Dog.

I think, McCain wanted Lieberman out there, it was his choice to put his big buddy out there, and Joe's choice to walk the plank.

No, cut him off at the knees. No committee chairmanship, throw him out of the caucus if we have the numbers.

He is counting on a job in the McCain admin.

I hope he is dissapointed.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-03 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

Even if every Democrat in America bent down and kissed LIEberman's ass, he was not going to back down from speaking at the convention.  He had made that very clear months ago.  There was no 'getting back into his good graces'.  He made the decision to support McCain no matter who the Democratic nominee was.

Look, we all know how much you love McCain and Palin, and their sexist, homophobic, xenophobic belief system.    

Maybe you and Joementum can go form your own political party.

by gavoter 2008-09-03 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

You are a moron. Get out of my party.

by JDF 2008-09-03 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

I don't think it's possible for it to return to a party that it never belonged to to start with.

Seriously, can we ban these trolls?  Why are we tolerating this?  Seriously makes me contemplate going back to DKos - if I wanted to argue with idiots I'd go to redstate.

by auronrenouille 2008-09-03 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

"Was making it clear to Joe that he had no future in the Democratic party a wise move ?"

Are you referring to the Democratic voters of CT who preferred Lamont in their primary? And who Joe then stabbed in the gut after all the previous elections they had supported him in?

Nobody pushed Joe out of the Democratic party. He abandoned it in a selfish effort to extend his political career beyond its shelf life.

But like Zell Miller, he'll find no reward for his treachery in the end but ignominy.

by ObamaBiden 2008-09-03 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

"And who Joe then stabbed in the gut after all the previous elections they had supported him in?"

That is a new one stabbed in the guy via democracy.

Howard Dean is that you?

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

I was referring to Democrats, whom you know nothing about.

by ObamaBiden 2008-09-03 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

I was referring to DEMOCRACY something that as a Democrat I value higher than the party or any fools who would place the party above democracy.

In no way is a candidate running for office and getting more votes than the other candidate a stab in the gut...

If you don't like democracy you are in the wrong party.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

Why would anyone who claims to be a Democrat as you do side with a scumbag who lost his party's primary and then told his party and it's voters to go to hell?

You're really a Zellocrat just like Joe.

Now run along and collect your McPoints for disseminating GOP propaganda.

by ObamaBiden 2008-09-03 04:32PM | 0 recs
was dumping Lieberman wise?

Has it helped with party unity?

Part of the reason it was possible to organize Dems against Lieberman was that he was a disloyal fuck before the voters of Connecticut dumped him too.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: was dumping Lieberman wise?

I thought the voters of Connecticut reelected him.

by Cal in California 2008-09-03 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: was dumping Lieberman wise?

The Dem voters of Connecticut dumped him.

And with the support of the GOP establishment Lieberman was re-elected as an independent in the general election.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: was dumping Lieberman wise?

The voters of CT elected "Independent" Joe. That's not what he called himself last night. Like all self serving opportunists, Joe uses whichever label serves his immediate interests.

by ObamaBiden 2008-09-03 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: was dumping Lieberman wise?

Yes, he pretended to be a democrat, and some stupid people bought it.

Mostly, though, it was the Republics that elected him.

He has been a defacto Repubulic since then.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-03 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

Two guys who deserve one another IMO.

I would personally pick someone other than Robert Gibbs to be the person who denounces lies and unfair smears on my behalf.

by Steve M 2008-09-03 10:35AM | 0 recs
Reid n Senate Dems should take action

Harry Reid should demand Lieberman retract every lie and correct every misleading statement.

If Lieberman refuses the Senate Democrats should all sign a letter saying Lieberman is not an honorable man and the veracity of his statements cannot be relied upon.

The letter can be published in Connecticut newspapers.

If Lieberman chooses to quit the Dem caucus, nobody threw him out (except for the Connecticut Democrats who elected Ned Lamont).

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid n Senate Dems should take action

I can't wait until they kick him out. I am going to throw a party.

by JDF 2008-09-03 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid n Senate Dems should take action

But they've clearly said they won't boot him before January, 2009.

The falsehoods of Lieberman's speech should be addressed.

What's the best way?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 10:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Reid n Senate Dems should take action

I'm all for keeping in the caucus right up to election day.  Why?  Because as long as he's in the caucus he'll keep trying to buy his way back into good graces.  He's already given $230,000 to the DSCC this year, including $100,000 in July.  Keeping him around may lure him into donating more, all of which will go to elect good Democratic senators this November.  Ironically, if we do get to 60 this year Lieberman will be a big reason why.

by LanceS 2008-09-03 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Reid n Senate Dems should take action

Harry Reid made a deal, canvas with us keep your committees.

Its reasonable after Joe is in convention to kick him out next cycle.

But unless Reids deal included not talking at the GOP convention things like "sign a letter saying Lieberman is not an honorable man and the veracity of his statements cannot be relied upon." would hurt Reid and the dems in senate.

You are only as good as your word in politics.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Reid n Senate Dems should take action

Do you see that Lieberman lied about Obama's record?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 04:49PM | 0 recs
The road to 60 just got longer

It's very disappointing -- the only seat we'll lose in the Senate this cycle is when we kick Liberman out of the party, making us one more away from 60.

Not that there is any choice, of course; it's just ironic that's the only way the Republicans will pick up a vote in their caucus.

by fsm 2008-09-03 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: The road to 60 just got longer

And that gets Lieberman nothing.  The GOP only likes him because he agress with them on Iraq and is bashing Obama.  Otherwise he still votes against what they want.  They are not going to put him in charge of any committees that decide social issues.  If Obama gets elected, with no Presidential race for 4 years, the GOP will have no use for Lieberman.  He will be a man without a party or a home.

His only hope is for McCain to win so McCain can give him a Cabinet position.    If Obama wins, Joe is going to be a very lonely man in Washington next year.  It would not surprise me to see him resign his seat early.

by gavoter 2008-09-03 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

They should kick his ass out of the caucus today.

Traitorous fuck.

by lojasmo 2008-09-03 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Stuck In The Joeldrums

I wonder if there's another way.  Perhaps allow Lieberman to stay in the caucus but strip him of his committee chair and rank as punishment.  Lieberman has an interest in remaining associated with the democrats if he wants any chance at re-election in Connecticut.  

by ProfessorReo 2008-09-03 11:16AM | 0 recs
what makes you think he'll seek reelection?

Lieberman seems to be burning bridges pretty liberally for someone who is considering a run or reelection.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-09-03 11:18AM | 0 recs
wanna bet?

I'll bet y'all he keeps his chairmanship, and stays in the caucus.

by bobestes 2008-09-03 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: wanna bet?

100% depends on what the deal was between liberman and Reid.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 01:45PM | 0 recs

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