Did Pelosi Get Played?

The No's so far are winning the bailout vote, 226-207. They're keeping the vote open in an effort to twist people's arms. Matt Stoller suggests the House Republicans promised more votes than they actually had. Clearly Republicans want to run against this thing at home, or, perhaps more accurately, they don't want to allow their Democratic challengers to use it against them.

In the meantime, the Dow is down almost 500 points.

Consider this a bailout thread to follow the story as it continues to evolve.

Update [2008-9-29 14:5:4 by Todd Beeton]:94 Democrats voted No. Only 65 or so Republicans voted Yes. A rare show of bi-partisanship in opposition to what John Boehner reportedly called a "crap sandwich."

Update [2008-9-29 14:8:55 by Todd Beeton]:The bill has failed: 227-206 228-205.

Update [2008-9-29 14:10:24 by Todd Beeton]:MSNBC is calling this a failure of Bush and Paulson.

Tags: bailout, Nancy Pelosi (all tags)



Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?

unbelievable.  somebody grew some balls over the weekend apparently.

by the mollusk 2008-09-29 10:02AM | 0 recs
Trickle Down Economics Doesn't Work..

WHEN will we figure that out?

The GOP wants this bill because it covers up how much stability and job security Americans have lost for a few more months, so they can blame the INEVITABLE crisis on the Democrats without beng laughed out of town.

Better to have the ugly truth out and start working on rebuilding a SUSTAINABLE NATIONAL ECONOMY BASED ON REAL WEALTH CREATION out of the ashes.

NEITHER candidate has really addressed our core needs adequately, although McCain is particularly disgusting in the depths of his denial.

Cargo cult economics doesn't work either. We need massive investment in education so we can have good jobs in the future, and short term we need to back off of free trade somewhat so we can preserve a middle class.

We also might want to consider universal healthcare- otherwise, the middle class will be stripped of their equity by that..

Medium and low skilled workers really lose in the economy of the future.

It just doesn't need them. It wont, nothing can change that. 50 year old ex blue collar workers may want to learn new skills but the workplace will be shrinking, they dont have the energy.

Office employment is shrinking too. Jobs are getting harder and harder to find, globally.

Technology is replacing a lot of them. Far more than the good new jobs its creating.

We need to cushion the blow.

by architek 2008-09-29 10:17AM | 0 recs
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by failsafe 2008-09-29 10:42AM | 0 recs
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well, a quick look at the roll call suggests Jon Conyers and Tim Walz, among others.

by the mollusk 2008-09-29 11:16AM | 0 recs
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...among 95 dems and 133 reps, if I interpret your "finding balls" correctly.  My guess is that most of these guys just have no clue what they're doing.

by failsafe 2008-09-29 11:32AM | 0 recs
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on the other hand, the two hundred or so that did vote for the bill knew exactly what they were doing?

look, i'm not here to sow bad blood.  i realize that something needs to be done, but this bill just really rubbed me the wrong way and i was glad to see everyone forced to think about this a little more before going forward.  it really feels like a case of wall street insiders taking over washington (who ever would have guessed?) and forcing action before anyone could get a handle on what was actually happening.

the part that bothers me the most, is that i'm really skeptical this will change anything at all besides totally bankrupting the u.s. treasury.

by the mollusk 2008-09-29 11:41AM | 0 recs
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I think we more or less agree.  I'm not an economist, so I was willing to trust Krugman that this was a bad deal, but the least-bad deal that was also politically feasible.

I guess my ideal scenario would be for Congress to make people believe that they would pass something (so the markets don't completely tank), then spend a week or two putting together a package that would keep things running until next January.  Then the new administration could come up with something more long-term.

by failsafe 2008-09-29 11:50AM | 0 recs
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this is how mavericks get bills passed.

by Doug Tuttle 2008-09-29 10:03AM | 0 recs
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Well, it looks like I just lost most of my life savings!  Thanks, House Republicans... you screwed me again!

Fortunately, I'm still relatively young... and fortunately, my parents were risk averse, so their money is protected... how many retirees will be eating dog food this winter...

Well, I guess everyone here is happy... We'll get to relive history!  I always wondered what it was like to live in the 30's... now, we'll know!

by LordMike 2008-09-29 10:03AM | 0 recs
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Glad I moved my money out of Wachovia earlier this year today. I damn sure didn't want to have an account with Citibank. Oddly, local banks that have taken little risk are the safest choices right now. My bank of choice, BB&T, is actually 30% up this year.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:10AM | 0 recs
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Your life savings are FDIC-insured for up to $100k.

I think you mean to say that your pension is screwed.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-09-29 10:53AM | 0 recs
For Democrats, this is the best outcome possible

For Americans, not so much. Worth noting that Rasmussen's latest poll showed that Americans overwhelmingly thought this was necessary. They will be pissed off.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: For Democrats, this is the best

Huh?  There poll today showed it about split I thought, 30-30-30 iirc, for-against-unsure.

Regardless, they are just 10 votes shy, and will push it over I think by later today.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-09-29 10:12AM | 0 recs
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I was more talking about the numbers that thought something was necessary: 78% said yes. To me, I interpreted it to say that people don't want to be for the bill and a significant number would never say they supported any specific plan, but they'd still be pissed if it got blocked.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:21AM | 0 recs
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for all you who think that defeating this bill was a good thing, stay tuned, you are about to see what a complete system failure looks like.

by tlhwraith 2008-09-29 10:13AM | 0 recs
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The Great Depression didn't hurt the rich anything like it hurt the poor

The real rich are typically risk averse.

When you have 1 billion your personal enjoyment of life depends on keeping it.  Having 2 billion provides FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR less extra benefit to the rich guy than the difference between 0 billion and 1 billion.

The trader class which is in the middle and upper class but has no real savings and are typically not rich enough to retire are the ones hurt.

But the poor are totally destroyed.  Stock market was headed back up after 1 year during great depression.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-29 10:19AM | 0 recs
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Wrong...All they have to do is temporarily suspend capitol gains tax.

by gunner 2008-09-29 10:24AM | 0 recs

best laugh i've had all day

by JJE 2008-09-29 10:29AM | 0 recs
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That's the problem...everyone knows something needs to be done, but was this the best option? (Don't ask me; I'm no financial or economics guru.)

It's not as though Congress will now forget about the bailout for 6 months and will instead spend its time on freedom fries. I'm sure they'll go right back to work on a different, less-Bush-affiliated plan. Or rather, "plans"--I'm sure the floodgates will be open for all the various factions to start pushing ideas of their own. As I read somewhere else (Americablog? Eschaton?), this could be the greenlight for Democrats to now write a far more progressive bill instead of being stuck modifying Paulson's framework.

A bailout is going to happen in one form or another, and in a matter of days, not weeks. Hearing that the whole world will fall apart if we don't approve THIS bill NOW NOW NOW makes me wary.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-09-29 10:58AM | 0 recs
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oh John McCain OWNS this

he went to washington didn't he, to help?

well what the fuck did he do?

thank you McCain -600 Dow, great leader,

everyone everywhere needs to blog this immediately,

John McCain Owns Dow Dropping 700 Pts.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-29 10:15AM | 0 recs
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actually nevermind that.

I think the house will panic soon enough with the Dow dropping, revote this afternoon and pass it.

and in the end we don't want McCain getting credit for that.

but still nice leadership so far McCain.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-29 10:16AM | 0 recs
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I hope Pelosi makes them sweat a bit... do nothing until Friday, in case Palin actually has a good debate....  kill their buzz!

by LordMike 2008-09-29 10:25AM | 0 recs
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At what point do you people get it.  This is way past dumb ass partisan politics now.  I've had 5 friends laid off in the last week, and more to come.

so why we sit around and celebrate all the turmoil this is causing, we conveniently forget that real people are getting real screwed right now.

But you're right, what's another couple of bank failures so Pelosi can apply a little more political pressure and MAYBE the GOP will blink?  And if they dont?

by tlhwraith 2008-09-29 10:56AM | 0 recs
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Does anyone know for sure how McCain and Obama voted?

by semiquaver 2008-09-29 10:17AM | 0 recs
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they are in the senate they didn't vote yet.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-29 10:20AM | 0 recs
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ah, my bad.   slaps forehead

by semiquaver 2008-09-29 10:48AM | 0 recs
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Did the Republicans just try to burn Dems and get burned instead? They must have assumed there were going to be enough Republicans to put it over the top. Now it failed, the market is tankng and MSNBC is plastering Bush.

by RandyMI 2008-09-29 10:24AM | 0 recs
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I don't know why you guys are blaming republicans for this.  100 Democrats voted No on the bill.  Pelosi couldn't even get enough democrats to pass it.  Remember....Democrats control the House.  The Democrats weren't able to pass the bill.  Republicans aren't to blame for the failure of this bill to pass.  Pelosi and the dems are.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:24AM | 0 recs
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Sure they are... this is THEIR bill form THEIR president...republicans are the ones that needed to get their asses in gear, not the democrats.  They made this mess, now they need to clean it up!

by LordMike 2008-09-29 10:26AM | 0 recs
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No...this was a bill put together by Pelosi, Reid and republican leaders over the weekend.  It wasn't just Bush's bill.  The Dems control the House and have to take the blame for the failure of this bill to pass.  Almost as many democrats voted NO as republicans.  

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:30AM | 0 recs
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Not even CLOSE. Not in terms of margin or in sheer numbers.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:31AM | 0 recs
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Just ignore Karajan...a truly bitter Clinton supporter, probably voting Palin now.

Probably pissed cause Obama is now leading in all the polls.

Re: News flash to Clinton supporters! (none / 0) by karajan72 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 10:43:17 AM EST

Obama has zero credibility and zero experience.  I am not comfortable with his leadership abilities.  I'm sorry..but this Democrat will not be voting for him.  Especially after his ungracious behavior towards Hillary and her supporters.  It's Obama's job to unite this party....not Hillary's.  And judging from so it so far...Obama has failed.  He doesn't have leadership abilities.  

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-29 10:36AM | 0 recs
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I know, I know, it's just another racist Obama-hating bigot.

(they HATE it when you call them racist)

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:42AM | 0 recs
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Republicans are to blame. They voted overwhelmingly against it. I'm not granting them a license to be stupid because "they don't know no better". They do. And they're the ones that deserve the blame. If they voted with even a SLIGHTLY larger margin, we'd be fine.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:28AM | 0 recs
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What happened to "Country First"? Does that only apply to John McCain?

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:29AM | 0 recs
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100 Democrats voted NO. the no vote was pretty much equal between republicans and democrats.  Remember..it only takes a majority vote for something to pass in the House.  Democrats have the majority.  Why couldn't they pass it?  

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:32AM | 0 recs
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NO, it wasn't. Take a look at the numbers. Even the GOP knows it was their fault. Just listen to Adam Putnam and John Boehner stammering.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:33AM | 0 recs
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Even Eddie HaskellEric Cantor looks nervous.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:36AM | 0 recs
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Wow! G.O.P. talking points on Mydd! How novel.

by venician 2008-09-29 10:38AM | 0 recs
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Pelosi clearly stated as early as last week that she wouldn't even bring this to the floor for a vote if she wasn't assured that 100 GOPers were going to vote "yea".  Boehner probably told her he had that, or pretty close. (I'm sure the Dems would have settled for 90 GOPers)  But 63 just ain't cutting it - that's not bi-partisan enough.  The GOPers would then call this "the Dem bailout".  Can't have that, because it isn't theirs - it's Bush's and, by extension, the GOP's.  I'm sure once the Dem leadership realized the GOPers weren't even going to get close to 100 yeas, they probably told their members in less safe districts to vote "nay" if they wanted to.  That's how the game is played.  There would have been more Dem "yeas" if there were 90 or even 80 GOP "yeas".  This isn't Pelosi's fault.  It's the GOP's fault, and not just for their actions today or over the last 2-3 weeks.

Why could Mr. Fix-it McCain get 100 votes from his colleagues in the House?

by OGLiberal 2008-09-29 10:38AM | 0 recs
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Why don't you go post at RedState, now that you are a Republic?

Blaming Democrats for your parties mistakes are really bad form here...

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-29 10:40AM | 0 recs
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The GOP did an atrocious job, but that doesn't let 90 some odd Dems off the hook. They need to suffer politically as well. Screw them all.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-09-29 10:32AM | 0 recs
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And Pelosi STILL got a majority of Democrats to pass it.   If a similar majority of GOP voted for it, it would have passed.  

ONLY Boehner and Bush can be blamed for this.  They could not even get a simple majority of Republicans to buck up and vote for the bill.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 10:34AM | 0 recs
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yes..blame the 130 republicans who voted no..and not the 100 democrats who voted no.   Very balanced.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:36AM | 0 recs
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Idiot, this whole mess is the Repugs fault.

by venician 2008-09-29 10:39AM | 0 recs
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Hey, KJ is a Republic...

Also an idiot, but just supporting his/hers new party!

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-29 10:41AM | 0 recs
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I'm not a Republican.  I'm one of those Hillary supporters you hear about that will not vote for Obama.  I'm still a Democrat though.  Although my party has lost it's way this year.  

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:50AM | 0 recs
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BS, you're not a democrat anymore.

Democrats are voting for a Democrat, you're holding a personal pity party, screw the country, you were right, so F the rest of us.

And, look at your posts today on this.

Just blaming the Democrats, I know, cause you hate Pelosi for not backing Clinton.

We get how your wrath is directed. You hate the party you claim to support, you support the party we all detest.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-29 10:58AM | 0 recs
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My roots in the Democratic party run very deep.  My great great uncle was a Democratic United States Senator and the ONLY southern senator to vote for the 19th amendment to the Constitution giving women the right to vote. So don't tell me i'm not a Democrat.  It's not my fault the Democratic party has nominated the most inexperienced and unacceptable candidate in history....after bashing and degrading the most qualified candidate.  The party deserves to lose for how they treated Hillary.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 11:16AM | 0 recs
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My Uncle didn't hold Zell Miller's senate seat.  He was the democratic senator from Georgia from 1919-1932.  The seat held by Richard Russell, Sam Nunn, Max Cleland and now Saxby Chambliss.  Zell Miller has no affiliation to me.  I'm not that conservative.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
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Deadenders are NOT Democrats.

by venician 2008-09-29 11:01AM | 0 recs
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You're a moron, regardless of your party affiliation.  Your party?  You don't own the democratic party.

Start a PUMA party.  All 14 of you can caucus at the nearest Carl's Jr.

by fogiv 2008-09-29 11:14AM | 0 recs
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YES!!!!!!!!! The Democrats did not want to pass this without bipartisan support, and I'm glad they didn't. You should be very scared, because Americans will know who to blame on this. The GOP promised 100 votes and they didn't deliver.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:41AM | 0 recs
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67% of all Republicans voted AGAINST it.   They couldnt even come close to 50% supporting it.    The GOP is playing games and they are going to get called on it.

The Democrats came through and got a healthy majority of their caucus to support it.  Yeah, if 100% of Democrats voted for it it would have passed, but why should only the Democrats vote for it.  

This needs to be a bi-partisan bill.   This needs to get healthy support from both sides of the aisle.   If just 12 Republicans switched, which still would have represented heavy GOP opposition, the bill would have passed.

This all comes down to the GOP is disarray and a scathing indictment of Bush.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 10:44AM | 0 recs
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So i guess those 90 Democrats who voted no are just as bad as the Republicans?  Look....the Democrats control the House and are responsible for passing legislation.  They failed to pass this bill.  Even with a healthy republican vote.  Just not enough Democratic support for the bill to pass.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:46AM | 0 recs
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65 votes is not "healthy Republican support".  They needed to deliver 100 votes.  The Dems are smart enough not to be held accountable for this odious bill.  

by NewOaklandDem 2008-09-29 10:48AM | 0 recs
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65 republican votes is a hell of alot.  Who made the bar "100" votes?  Ridiculous.  The Dems needed 11 more Democrats to vote for the Bill..and they couldn't do it.  

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:51AM | 0 recs
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The Republican House Leadership got their concessions and couldn't deliver more than 1/3 or thier caucus.  The Dems lost votes because of the concessions to the Repulbicans.  

Both parties have to agree on a crap bill before it will pass.  No one wants to hold the bag on this one.  

Bottom line is, even after giving in to the Republican demands, the Republican leadership couldn't deliver.  This is at thier feet now.

Now, if the Dems propose a new, better bill, one that includes homeower relief, oversite with teeth, real caps on executive pay, and then fail to pass it on a party line vote, then your complaints are valid.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-09-29 11:00AM | 0 recs
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Sorry but you're losing with these G.O.P. talking points. The TM is already framing this as a GOP FAILURE.

by venician 2008-09-29 11:03AM | 0 recs
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50% would be healthy.  33% is not.

You are pathetic, you need to go back and hang out with your buddies at NRO.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 11:13AM | 0 recs
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Don't leave out one of the slimiest weasels there is and that is Eric Cantor. He's like the kid in the schoolground who kicks somebody when  they're down and everyone else is beating on them. Then he stands around telling the gathering crowd how  the guy on the ground had it coming and why. He's a spinless piece of shit.
 Anybody who watched him will know what I mean.
by Lodgemannered 2008-09-29 11:42AM | 0 recs
Run to the hills

run for your lives.

This is bad for Dems and Repugs alike.

This is 100% Bush admin. fault.  They've known for years that this would happen.  Bury them underneath the jail.

Goddamn republicans.

Buy gold, guns and gas.  And put your $$ in TIAA-CREF.

by mydailydrunk 2008-09-29 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Run to the hills

Gas?!?  I wish I could buy gas.  Tell me where they are selling it.    Gas is very hard to come by here in Atlanta.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Run to the hills

Yes it is.

by vcalzone 2008-09-29 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Run to the hills

Here in Farmville VA

Reg gas - $3.57/gal
Marlboro - $29.99/carton

as the floor manager for UBS said "start looking for a bomb shelter"

poor wittle repubs got their fweeling hurt?

Hope the Dems JAM a bill down their throats - so much for bipartisanship.

Also, next time, vote an Athiest into office - they put country ahead of holidays.

by mydailydrunk 2008-09-29 11:39AM | 0 recs
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Can someone find a roll call?  I want to know how people voted.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-09-29 10:42AM | 0 recs
The House website is overwhelmed

and isn't loading.

People are paying attention, at least.

by aggieric 2008-09-29 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?
MSNBC is calling it a Bush-Paulson fialure, right?
Bush is still the President,right? And he's still a Republcian, right?
Oh I forgot.
Nancy Pelosi.
Next to Madame Speaker, the liberal blogosphere thinks Sarah Palin is the the class hottie.
by spirowasright 2008-09-29 10:45AM | 0 recs
Congress can't go home.

This is no joke people.   This isn't about politics.  This is playing for keeps.   We could be in some deep shit and be there awfully fast.   I don't like a bailout anymore than those who rail against it, but I also hate depressions.  

Wake up people.  

I can't believe these D-heads in the House would play politics with this.  It makes me sick.

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-29 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Congress can't go home.

You would think with a Depression staring them in the face..that the Democratic controlled House could get 11 more Democrats to vote for and pass the bill.  Maybe they want a depression...that's the only way Obama can win.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 10:53AM | 0 recs
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Wow, so now this is all Obama's fault.  You really are pyschotic.  You must be tickled pink watching Bill Clinton praise McCain Palin all over the news this week.    
The SNL bit on weekend update was the best impression of Bill I have seen in months.  With friends like the Clintons, who needs enemies.
by gavoter 2008-09-29 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Congress can't go home.

Bill Clinton is a genius..and he knows Obama is not a good man.  Zero credibility, zero experience and zero integrity.  Bill wants McCain to win.  As do I..then the Democratic party can regain it's sanity in 2012 with Hillary.

by karajan72 2008-09-29 11:20AM | 0 recs
White Sale at Macy*s

Go buy yourself some new robes this week.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 11:51AM | 0 recs

Dumbest comment of the day award.  Your McCain/Palin colostomy bag is in the mail.  Enjoy!

by fogiv 2008-09-29 11:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Congress can't go home.

sorry but I would rather we face what comes and blame the GOP,

then dems pass it and GOP use that to run against us and take control back.

we would end up right where we are now but later, instead let the american people FEEL what it means to allow the GOP to set the fiscal policy of this country.

either the pass it with us, or they take the blame for what comes next, but once and for all people NEED to know that the GOP fiscal policies are shit.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-29 11:02AM | 0 recs

I thought the people that the likes of Sean Hannity rails against in the Democratic Party were all made up in his angry little pinhead.   Then you came along.

You want Americans to feel a depression?   A depression that could come about on the watch of a Democratic Congress.   Use some logic.

If Americans feel this sort of pain might they not decide to "throw the bums out" and simply vote anti-incumbant, regardless of rhyme or reason?  If so wouldn't the majority perhaps suffer?

by RichardFlatts 2008-09-29 11:06AM | 0 recs
by NewOaklandDem 2008-09-29 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Roll Call

There it is.  Thanks for digging this up.  I couldn't get through.

by fogiv 2008-09-29 11:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?

If Pelosi was promised more R votes than there actually were, then Pelosi certainly didn't get played at all!  They tried to play her and she called their bluff!

Good job, Nancy!  Seriously!  Republicans wanted to get away from not owning this failure, and it's not going to work!

People here do not give Nancy Pelosi enough credit.  She's not stupid, and she won't be fooled!

by LordMike 2008-09-29 11:01AM | 0 recs
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make no mistake all these people asking why Dems didn't pass it alone.

if we did, the next thing you will see is EVERY dem who voted yes, would have their GOP opponent running against them, and the GOP would retake control.

that is NOT what we want, let the crisis play out and make sure people remember what got us here, but they will not pass off their failure on us and run against us on it.

If they want the economy to collapse so be it.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-29 11:04AM | 0 recs
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This is basically advocating a very high stakes games of chicken, with the penatly for losing being that homeownerhsip, retirement, college and maybe even employment becoming a pipe dream. Shame on all, both GOP and Republican who voted against this.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-09-29 11:06AM | 0 recs
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Inevitably, history does repeat itself.  

A government caring little if anything about the most intense issues facing America's once vibrant middle class--to wit, unmanagable home mortgages, huge credit card debt, and a moribund health care system--and caring everything about wall street entrepreneurs facing their own deserved collapse from their own unbridled greed--is in its death throes.

The bailout was to secure Wall Street, not Main Street, and in the era of George Walker Bush, those streets do not run parallel.

Millions of Clinton voters like myself (eighteen million strong this year--officially, more than any other primary presidential candidate in United States history) have understood for some time that the Clinton White House years will likely stand as America's last Golden Age.

Assuming that Senator Obama wins this election by default, as seems now likely (although it is surprising that a Democratic candidate can be maintaining little more than a five point national lead when America is teeter-tottering close to total collapse), is he, as his adherents have long maintained, up to the task of fixing the mess?

Like millions of my fellow Clintonites, I truly believe that the nation can only be rendered whole again if the Clintons are to return to power.  Hillary Clinton's great crowd-pleasing comment in the Los Angeles debate said it all, then, and that comment is particularly apropos now: "It took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush, and it will likely take another Clinton to clean up after the second Bush!"

My prayers are now that a President Obama swallows deeply his pride and appoints Bill and Hillary to the tasks of restoring both the nation's economic health and its foreign policy standing.  Give Hillary the position of "Economic and Health Care Czar" and appoint Bill to serve as a foreign policy secretary plenipotentiary.  

Perhaps the nation still has a chance: a glimmer of hope made possible by the leaders of what is surely now America's last Golden Age.

by lambros 2008-09-29 11:03AM | 0 recs
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take it back to NoQuarter, clown....

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-29 11:06AM | 0 recs
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You speak only for yourself.  Frankly, I find your benevolent dictatorship fantasy to be deeply troubling.  Even Bill Clinton relied on his economic advisors, a point that has apparently escaped you.

by rfahey22 2008-09-29 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?


It's heartening to see that you have computer/internet priveledges at the asylum.  Is it hard to type with those protective mittens on?

by fogiv 2008-09-29 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?
Like millions of my fellow Clintonites, I truly believe that the nation can only be rendered whole again if the Clintons are to return to power.

Dude, this is freaking hilarious!  Replace "Clinton" with "Huguenot," "Medici," or "Lancaster" for full dynastic effect.
by failsafe 2008-09-29 11:44AM | 0 recs
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Goose Step much?
My God, you people are really sick.  I am more glad than ever that I voted against her.   And not because of her policies, but because of the Drama of Bill.
This is nothing more than a cult of personality with the Clinton's.  

Even his pathetic actions over the last two weeks in all but endorsing the McCain-Palin ticket show what a low-life he really is.

by gavoter 2008-09-29 11:48AM | 0 recs
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I think we were all played.  Look what these clowns did.  They claimed it was a big crisis and that we must bail the banks out or else the whole world would have spontaneous.  Then their own party derailed the bill that was supposed to save it.

Now it looks to me like the whole thing was just so the biggest fish could eat all the smaller fish without too much scrutiny.  If the bailout had gone through, the huge fish would have missed their buffet.

by GFORD 2008-09-29 11:27AM | 0 recs
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should have been 'the whole world would have spontaneous combustion'

by GFORD 2008-09-29 11:28AM | 0 recs
McCain blaming Obama

McCain really is the most pathetic person to ever head a major party ticket.    He claimed that he was going to Washington to solve the crisis and in the end he couldn't even get more than 33% of his party to support him.   Yes, support him because McCain supported the bill.

McCain is now blaming Obama for politicizing the process (as if 'suspending' a campaign was not a political stunt).

by gavoter 2008-09-29 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Did Pelosi Get Played?

In my humble opinion both Pelosi and Reid suffer from an inability to deliver on the goods when a big issue is facing them.  Obama can get a lot done when he's President but for that to happen, he'll need better leadership in Congress.

Frick and Frack couldn't deliver a pizza if the house was next door to the pizza shop.  

That Pelosi couldn't round up 12 more Democrats and get this bill past is a failure of leadership.  People can blame McCain for his poor leadership on this issue but Madame Speaker is in no better shape than he is.

by bentlife 2008-09-29 12:46PM | 0 recs
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NO WAY!  Nancy knew what the deal is.  this wasn't a great bill, and if repubs could pin the whole thing on democrats (after writing the damn thing themselves and coming up with only one completely ludicrous alternative plan), it would be disaster for the party.  this crapola bill wasn't worth risking all that.  

hopefully, dems will now have the chance to write a bill that is worthwhile, incorporates the needed regulations, helps homeowners, and forces major controls on wall street whether they want it or not.  if and when that bill is crafted THAT will be the time to wrangle up every last dem vote and then motherfukcin*DARE* bush to veto it since he already declared that we're in a crisis!

by bluedavid 2008-09-29 03:41PM | 0 recs


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