This could get easy

The latest Obama ad is much better than the latest out of the RNC/McCain camp:

Obama: "Same"

RNC: "Expensive Plans"

Tags: obama, RNC (all tags)



Re: This could get easy

He is still trying to run against Bush...

Makes it rather easy to pivot away.

He needs to figure out how to run against McCain.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Also notice how the GOP spends their money attacking Obama + + +

They are pre-spending on 2010, 2012, 2016

Anyone in that add picked up slight negatives even if they aren't running

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 10:49AM | 0 recs
Just wondering...

Is there anything Democrats can do that you would agree with? Because I have been here for a while and no matter what strategy Obama uses you don't approve. Which leads me to believe that no matter what strategy he chooses you wouldn't approve...

so tell us, oh greatest political strategist of all time, what should Obama be doing?

by JDF 2008-09-02 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

this is how you know its working,

if he is against it, the more effective Obama is the worse dtaylor becomes

right now they are all just praying McCain bounces back in the polls so they can start their Obama is doomed again!

all these negative Palin stories make people worried the ticket won't be effective.

by TruthMatters 2008-09-02 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

"all these negative Palin stories make people worried the ticket won't be effective."

I am in exactly the opposite camp.

All the negative attacks on Palin will damage Obama by proxie.

Obama is making claims that he has more experience than her.

That forces a comparison.

That comparison hurts him regardless of outcome as whatever metric he uses to beat her makes McCain's experience lead look even larger

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

yeah I'll take that argument....Let's compare Palin and Obam resumes side by side, and see who has more national experience. /2/1613/27485/447/581295

by hootie4170 2008-09-02 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

yeah, i'm with you.  hit her on her right-wing fanaticism.

the way mccain's attacks on obama's experience were failing is exactly the same way obama's attacks on palin's experience would fail.  mccain attacking obama's ties to william ayers (no matter how ludicrous) stood a better chance of hurting obama because it made him appear scary and out of the mainstream.  well now we have a repub vp nominee who really is scary and out of the mainstream.  never miss a chance to mention that.

take a pass on the whole experience thing.

by the mollusk 2008-09-02 11:38AM | 0 recs

I am done.

In fact can I suggest that we all ignore Dtaylor with the exception of occasionally stopping to laugh.

by JDF 2008-09-02 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

Obama should have made 3 separate commercials with his one above.

Each commercial should take a single issue and pin the ISSUE on McCain.

This add tried to pin the RELATIONSHIP on McCain.

Where does that leave you if Bush and McCain stop being BFFs 2 weeks before the election?

If you don't have traction pinning the ISSUE then the add is a preach to the choir affair.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

You've got it backwards, plus have a serious mistake in that analysis.

Tie Bush to McCain first. That covers everything. It makes it much easier to go issue-by-issue later.

Then run a successive series of issue ads, pinning issue after issue to McCain. For each issue (Iraq, Bush tax cuts, economy, energy, etc) include back-references to "failed Bush administration policies".

Your last point is perhaps where you misunderstand the electorate. Bush is unpopular FAR beyond "the choir". "The choir" here might be Democrats -- 37% or so, maybe 5% more than that, of the electorate. Or it might be Obama voters -- about 50% of the electorate on current polling.

Bush has disapproval ratings running 65-70%. That's between 15% and 33% of the electorate who are outside "the choir" who do not like Bush and will not like McCain if they perceive McCain as a perpetuation of Bush's policies. McCain has been skating on his reputation as a maverick, based on 8-year-old criticism of Bush that he's soundly repudiated. Getting that message out is an obvious path to winning the election.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

If its a personal thing not based on ISSUES tying Bush to McCain can be untied.

You need to tie McCain to BUSH ISSUES which are unpopular.

The difficulty lies in the Bush Issues are less unpopular than Bush himself.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

Oh, you mean if McCain abandons his whole foreign and domestic platform? Well, then I expect he might win. Of course, at that point, Obama would have him on the "I knew it was a stupid idea before you did" card.

by vcalzone 2008-09-02 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

So 8 years of Bush Love is going to be thrown away in late October and everyone is going to see McCain as an agent of Change?

The only reason he is this close is that the has convinced the base that he will give us 4 more years of Bush.

by gavoter 2008-09-02 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Just wondering...

"Is there anything Democrats can do that you would agree with?"


She seemed to have a moment of clarity with a diary she did awhile ago, but lately, she is back on the same anti-obama tear 24/7.

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-02 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy're saying that people have attention spans that are too short to notice that McCain and Bush are joined at the hip, yet somehow, years from now, will remember these attack ads against Democrats?


by rfahey22 2008-09-02 10:59AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Thats how the brain works.

You have an emotional response to the faces and they are programming in a little bit of a negative.

The Obama=McCain is powerful so long as it isn't broken.

But if you whole attack hinges on it they will find a way to break it.

You need multiple unrelated attacks that stick and cannot be broken in a single move.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Bush=McCain rather

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Your own thesis completely destroys your argument here.

Most people have a strongly negative emotional response to George W. Bush's face. I'm not talking just Democrats -- this is after all the President with the lowest approval rating in history. This is the guy the Republicans have desperately tried to keep out of prime time at their own convention.

You see his face and McCain's together. Over. And over. And over. Bingo, there's your programmed-in negative.

Suppose McCain and Bush split later. Too late, sorry, damage is already done. The very best McCain could get out of it is to claim he was completely deluded and has only now seen the light, and claim a complete change of policies. Care to tell me how you think that will go over with voters? Short of that -- if it's only a personal falling-out and doesn't have to do with policy -- it won't move anyone. People have associated Bush with Bush's policies.

It'd be like Kerry being for it before he was against it, only many times worse. McCain would come off as somewhere between confused and delusional, which isn't something you want, even if you were weren't already the oldest-ever serious candidate for President.

The fact is: McCain does, in fact, directly, and in his own words, stand for a continuation of nearly every one of Bush's worst policies. He wants to stay the course in Iraq. He wants to stay the course on tax cuts. He wants to stay the course on energy. He's got the same awful positions on the military, GI benefits, the VA, etc. If anything, he's on the wrong side of Bush when it comes to Iran, Russia, NATO, etc (and is widely perceived that way, outside Democratic-blogger circles).

The only things McCain had to run on are 1) experience and 2) maverick. Picking Palin has taken experience off the table; as long as she's the nominee any attack on Obama's experience rebounds and becomes a worse attack on McCain's judgment. If she ceases to be the VP nominee, he could go back to attacking Obama's experience, but his perceived judgment would be in tatters.

Attacking McCain's extremely close ties to Bush and Bush's policies is a direct attack on his 'maverick' standing. Yet you propose that Obama shouldn't make that attack. What should he replace it with? Why in the world would it be better for Obama to NOT tie McCain to an enormously unpopular incumbent, particularly when it's the truth and McCain's own words make the connection undeniable?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 11:51AM | 0 recs
Bush to lavish Praise on McCain

I don't think it gets much better than that.  McCain is going whole hog in his embrace of Bush tonight at the convention.    Bush is going to Praise McCain's leadership skills.

Unless McCain publicly refutes Bush on Thursday night, I do not think that there is much he can do later in the campaign.  

by gavoter 2008-09-02 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Bush to lavish Praise on McCain

Liberman did a pretty good job on the pivot...

by dtaylor2 2008-09-03 12:25AM | 0 recs
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Don't try to understand it. Trying to process his logic is like a change machine that gets fed a canadian penny. It feels right, but there's no value to it. Trying to process it will just waste time.

by vcalzone 2008-09-02 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

So let's see:

Obama runs a very clear and extremely easy to follow ad that attacks exactly one person (John McCain) by tying him to exactly one person (George W. Bush), a widely unpopular person, using only photographs of the two people, and then using John McCain's own words to cement the tie. Therefore Obama doesn't know how run against McCain, because clearly attacking McCain's very own statements making clear he's aiming for "more of the same" doesn't attack McCain. Somehow.

McCain runs a murky, confusing ad with lots of faces of people who are neither Obama nor Biden, making a lot of allegations with no substantiation, and ones that anyone who's seen an Obama ad or watched the DNC (and there are a LOT of those -- 70% of those polled claimed to have watched Obama's speech) know are false. Who are these people? Why are their faces floating randomly across my screen? Who says Obama's going to raise taxes on working families? Huh? What?

The first ad is very clear, knows exactly who it's attacking, how, and why, and substantiates its claims within the ad. The second ad is very murky, shows all sorts of distracting images that have nothing to do with the current race, and makes a series of accusations that we already know a lot of voters know are wrong.

Remind me again of why the second ad is somehow better?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Jonathan Martin at Politico pointed out how hard it is for the GOP since their two favorite boogeymen, Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton, are off limits. Cry for them.

by vcalzone 2008-09-02 12:02PM | 0 recs
Uh, they're going to seriously try to challenge...

... Leahy and Dodd?  And by associating them with a popular figure years in advance of their election.  That'd be pretty sweet, but I'm not sure Republicans are quite that dumb.

by Ramo 2008-09-02 12:55PM | 0 recs
It's called "branding"

Not exactly a new concept in politics.

by BrighidG 2008-09-02 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Its not easy to pivot away, IMO. It takes me back to 96 when every single campaign ad by Clinton featured the line "Gingrich-Dole said no". They just kept repeating gingrich-dole, gingrich-dole, until they were linked in everyone's mind.

Bush-McCain, Bush-McCain should remain Obama's number one talking point from now until November.

by dead goat 2008-09-02 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Yup.  By November, we need to make the voters think McCain's daddy really named him Bush instead of John... and that includes mentioning McCain every time we mention Bush.

It isn't Bush's Iraq War... it's the Bush-McCain Iraq War.

They aren't the Bush tax cuts... they're the Bush-McCain tax cuts.

It isn't Bush corruption... it's Bush-McCain corruption.

Even if the connection is tenuous, John McCain has made it more than clear that he's not unhappy to be associated with the Bush administration.  Let's keep that albatross tied tightly around his neck.

by mistersite 2008-09-02 01:35PM | 0 recs
Gingrich isn't Dole's first name?

by molly bloom 2008-09-02 02:25PM | 0 recs
McCain = Bush

McCain = Bush is the easiest math in politics right now.

Linking them is running against McCain.

Linking them is preventing the pivot.

Using McCain = Bush in McCain's own words is both; running against McCain and preventing the pivot.

Tell me, how does McCain pivot away from his own mug  talking about his close relationship with Bush, short of plastic surgery and a personality substitution?  Surely you can understand the strategy here.  Are you purposely choosing to be confused or what is it?

Nothing can be more effective in sealing this link than images of them together with a repetitive message.  Those powerful images and clear messaging cannot be misinterpreted or misconstrued.  Doing so via specific issues, as you recommend, will not work in tying them together.  It literally cannot be as effective as this ad.  That is political advertising 101.

Then you praise the muddled GOPer ad.  As others have noted, most Americans have zero idea who these people are, why they are scary, and why they are related to Obama.  What is more, they are ads against a whole bunch of (unknown) people instead of the specific target.

As far as your + + + + notion, what could be a bigger waste of resources than spending money on a chaotic ad used in states across the nation to attack specific (unnamed) senators 2 and 4 years before they are running for reelection?  I hope the RNC pours every last dollar they have into airing this ad.  I generally have a great deal of respect for GOPer ad folks but this ad you praise is I think the most idiotic single ad I have ever seen.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-09-02 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

lol when did the RNC make this ad, they forgot to put Palin's name in at the end.,

is this a sign of the future to come?

I kid I kid :-P

by TruthMatters 2008-09-02 10:49AM | 0 recs
Serious Question

Imagine for a second that McCain was able to do something unexpected that severed the McCain link to Bush.

Does Obama have enough of his attack capital spent on specifics that his attack sticks to Obama or does it all stay with Bush?

It seems to me there is an obvious weakness in the 3rd term theory in that it depends on that single link.

I don't see Obama's position on Iraq vs McCain's position really generating traction but rather Obama's vs Bush's.  Its a subtle distinction but very important.

Many people don't like how Iraq has turned out but may not be willing to admit their vote for it was a mistake in 2004.  These people turned on Bush but not necessarily on McCain.

Shooting the elephant's shadow is not an effective way to stop it.

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Serious Question

Imagine for a second that McCain was able to do something unexpected that severed the McCain link to Bush.

Heh...I would hope that if his campaign had such a "magic bullet" they would have used it many months ago, and not break it out 60 days before the election, especially now when most of their time will be used to defend Palin as his VP pick.

by hootie4170 2008-09-02 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Serious Question

Of course he needs to go after Mccain as well (hothead, belligerent unilateral warmonger, cold war fetishist, cynical right-wing sellout, country-club fried of the rich).  But come on! 75% of the country believes we are on the wrong track!  Bush is an anchor around McCain's neck. That's why both candidates are trying to run against him -- but Obama has an honest case to make and McCain has to create the most tortuous path imaginable.  

by snowback 2008-09-02 11:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Serious Question

You've made it very clear you don't like Obama and would just as happy if he wasn't elected. Looking for that "I told you so moment." So why, pray tell, should we listen to you?

by jsfox 2008-09-02 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Serious Question

What the hell could he possibly do to break his ties to Bush? Shove him? Stick a shiv in his back? Come out against more tax cuts? Nothing that can be done except that Bush is actually becoming MORE sane on foreign policy. I s'pose McCain could always say that Bush is too much of a dove, but I doubt that would get much traction.

by vcalzone 2008-09-02 12:04PM | 0 recs
Heh indeedy

Imagine for a second that McCain was able to do something unexpected that severed the McCain link to Bush.

Like what, change his name to Barack Obama?

Or maybe get in his straight-talk-time-machine and change the fact that he voted with him over 90% of the time?

Or use the Patriot Act as a cover to go into the databases of all news organizations and wipe out all the news stories, photos and quotes in definitively link McCain to Bush?

As is usually the case with Concerned Citizens©, there is absolutely no substance behind your hand wringing.

by John in Chicago 2008-09-02 12:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Serious Question

Wrong. Bush's position on Iraq actually evolved in the direction of Obama's (timetable for withdrawal), whereas McCain's stayed the same.

So McCain is actually more Bushite than Bush himself...

by french imp 2008-09-02 12:46PM | 0 recs
What Dtaylor means is:

that we should just give up now because no matter what we do it won't work ever!!

Oh Nooooooooo.

I am worried... no make that concerned about our chances because the great and wise Dtaylor has told me to be.

by JDF 2008-09-02 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

There is nothing McCain can do to sever his link to Bush.  It's there, it's fact, it's proveable, it's pretty blatant.

Now he is proving his own independent judgment is just as lousy.

I don't see that this campaign is going anywhere for him.

by mady 2008-09-02 11:04AM | 0 recs
Axelrod comes back from summer vacation!

The whole "reform" theme is weak too.  An alternate way to say change but an insider type word that has no specific meaning.  This ad shows how easy it is for the Obama campaign to knock  that down.  Plus, we are already seeing that Palin is not really a reformer but an opportunist (and a skillful one).  I don't care how well she does in set speeches and the VP debate, the inconsistencies in her record will be brought out.  The irony is that the Republican delegates in that convention hall will be wildy cheering someone who been willing to attack people just like them.  

The best news is they have given up "the ready to lead" theme.  Although it didn't work as a winning argument for HRC either, it kept things close.

by mboehm 2008-09-02 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

If these two ads represent the talking points, Dems win the presidency.  

by ChitownDenny 2008-09-02 11:15AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

I don't know how the Republican convention will shake out, but this is starting to look like 1988 in reverse. I remember that we pummeled Bush I all summer while the other side was relatively quiet. Then, at about this time, Bush took everything we used and turned it against us for the rest of the campaign. Obama's speech made it clear he was listening very closely to what McSame had to say.

by RandyMI 2008-09-02 11:18AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

The Obama ad was good, but what was with the music?

The McCain ad was great if you're into photos of random Democrats who won't be recognized by 99% of the country.  I think there was one that even I didn't recognize.

by Steve M 2008-09-02 11:30AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Jonathan Martin at Politico made that point. Since Ted Kennedy is ill and Hillary is not someone they want to attack (Probably Nancy Pelosi, too), they are finding it hard to use political bogeymen from Congress.

by vcalzone 2008-09-02 12:06PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

I am a sucker for 2.5d, so visually I thought the McCain ad was cool looking.  In terms of being an effective political ad, however, I think it is a complete dud.  You're totally right about the images of random Democrats not being recognized by the majority of Americans.  It's basically the same tired "Democrats will raise your taxes and spend your money... be afraid!" ad that's gotten some decent After Effects treatment.

I actually like the music in the Obama ad.  You can only hear so many brooding, ominous soundtracks in political ads until they all start sounding the same.  Obama pulled off a pretty vicious political ad that cuts McCain but comes off as more playful than nasty.  Very smart strategy, in my opinion.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-09-02 01:04PM | 0 recs
when is Obama gonna use the green screen

pics to hit McCain? Some of those clips with McCain in front of that ugly green screen would be pretty powerful.

by Lakrosse 2008-09-02 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Both ads work pretty well, and the GOP ad plays into a false narrative that low-info's already believe.  I think we shouldn't underestimate that ad.

by proseandpromise 2008-09-02 11:32AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

I like the ad...though I would have preferred sinister music in the background--the lively circus music really doesn't make it very serious.

Sinister, but not comically sinister, music always makes negative ads better.

by need some wood 2008-09-02 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

I disagree, in this case at least. This isn't a fear ad; the sinister music works for fear ads (although I think voters are starting to discount it).

This is an ad aimed squarely at putting McCain in the same "circus" that Bush has been running for 8 years. The circus music makes light of both of them. Bush is already a figure of no little ridicule.

We don't necessarily want people scared of the big bad McCain (Bush). We want people pointing and laughing at the judgment of a man who would speak proudly of his 90%+ voting record in support of Bush's wacky circus.

Fear-mongering bad. Ridicule good.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

I kind of like the comical music.  Viewers of political TV ads - even low-information voters - like to think they're savvy, and when they hear scary music and see black-and-white photographs, they tend to immediately discount whatever they see there as manipulated or at least take it with a grain of salt.

The comical music functions to disarm that suspicion right off the bat, opening viewers who think they're sophisticated to the message of the ad, as well as turning McCain into something of a joke - after all, Bush is a (rather unfunny) joke to most of America now.

by mistersite 2008-09-02 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Hold on.  A Republican in 2008 is running a fearful ad saying that their opponents might run up a deficit.  How, oh how, could we POSSIBLY counter that!?!

by thezzyzx 2008-09-02 11:39AM | 0 recs
I like Obama's new ad

But when are we going to see Democratic pundits put to rest this myth that Barack is going to raise taxes on middle America. I want to see the campaign pound this into people's head that BO's tax cuts would actually help more people than John McCain's continuation of Bush's tax code. Democrats have to own 'tax cuts' with their little jab of while keeping spending in check. A lot of Republicans I talk to don't give Clinton any credit for balanced budgets because they believe it was the direct result of having a Republican Congress. This is the Democrats time to dispel the "tax and spend" label and label the Republicans of "borrow and spend more". If we can win this argument and convince people that Democrats are the true champions of middle class tax cuts and responsible spenders we will move an enormous bloc of moderate Republicans who are weary of supporting Democrats because of that bad label.

by SocialDem 2008-09-02 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I like Obama's new ad

I think this is more rope-a-dope, honestly. Obama blasted into this in his DNC speech, but if McCain wants to keep running the point, let him. Higher taxes bad, lower taxes good, yes, yes, we get it.

Then Obama runs a series of ads a month from now where he makes it clear that his plan offers significantly lower taxes for 95% of working Americans. McCain already told us higher taxes bad, lower taxes good. Obama offers lower taxes. Hmmmm...

Along with said ads, another wave attacking Republicans on borrow and spend, and another attacking them on spending priorities. Imagine the wave of attacks talking about what we're spending in Iraq vs. what we could be doing here... then pivot that back into attacking McCain's Iraq policy.

The beauty of this campaign is that there's virtually no issue besides vaguely defined "experience" (which McCain has virtually conceded), "foreign-policy ability" (which is easy to attack with the fodder McCain has provided), "maverick" (which tying him to Bush destroys) and "Democrats are scary" that McCain's got to run on. Each attack campaign on McCain pivots into another attack campaign; economy into Iraq, Iraq into veteran's benefits and overstretched military; energy into global warming, environment, national security, and back into economy; etc.

McCain's ad campaign is continuing to define himself as the candidate whose only rationale for being elected is "Obama is bad". It's an extremely vulnerable position to take. Obama does run some ads, like the one here, that say "McCain is bad", but at least the ad is self-substantiating. Obama is also running large numbers of ads which say "Obama is good, and here's why". Where are those ads for McCain?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I like Obama's new ad

You're on a roll.

by spacemanspiff 2008-09-02 12:13PM | 0 recs
I know what

you're saying about the rope-a-dope strategy. Perhaps I am getting too greedy and I want to see some Republic one-two punching. I am thinking in a larger sense though with the "borrow and spend more" theme. We have to make it stick that Republics are not good stewards of tax payers money. This can open up the door to many Fisc-cons who are socially liberal. In fact, most of the moderates I live around would be Democratic if it weren't for this fallacious line.

Haha you should be writing these ads for Bo. I still say we should start with Youtube and other social networking sites and display the facts of the budget under Bush and how McCain will just mean more deficit spending and show how BO's tax cuts will actually help more people than McCain. I hope I am a not a rarity here and view deficit reduction as not only a national priority, but a moral one as well. The burden of this debt can not be passed onto my generation and while expecting us to have the same standard of living we have now.

by SocialDem 2008-09-02 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: I know what

When I saw Obama at a town hall months ago, he spoke passionately about how liberals have even more moral obligation to be fiscally responsible, since we know there are so many priorities and only so much money, and running deficits creates economic problems that hurt the very people we're trying to help.

I'd like to see that packaged into an ad as well. It would make a great contrast with the way Bush has run things.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 01:47PM | 0 recs

What I'm wanting to hear them hit McCain with.

by SocialDem 2008-09-02 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I like Obama's new ad

Well Obama's ad doesn't actually say McCain is bad.
It shows McCain saying I'm the same as Bush.
People are free to draw their conclusions. Besides it's funny.

On the other hand McCain's ad says Obama is bad and doesn't substantiate the attack. Besides it's sinister.

I guess people will enjoy Obama's ad better than McCain's...

by french imp 2008-09-02 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Awesome ad.  I stopped watching the RNC ad about 15 seconds in.  It was just too weak to follow through on.

by RussTC3 2008-09-02 12:04PM | 0 recs
The McCain ad is horrible--

But after the convention, McCain and Palin are going to run as maverick change agents.  They may get away with it.

Scream all you want about his flip-flopping phoniness, but at one time McCain WAS a maverick (John Kerry certainly thought so.) If Palin's anti- status quo message holds up, it will be a formidable ticket.

Obama can offer nothing but promises. They're good promises, but he has no record.  He's going to have to go hard negative to win the election.

by Upstate Dem 2008-09-02 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: The McCain ad is horrible--

McCain was NEVER a maverick, despite what Kerry might have thought.

And Obama DOES have a record, despite what you think.

by lojasmo 2008-09-02 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: The McCain ad is horrible--

Just ignore Upstate Dem. Still a bitter Clinton supporter, any moment to throw trash at Obama is a good one....

by WashStateBlue 2008-09-02 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: The McCain ad is horrible--

Ah, thanks.  This site is VERY tolerant.

by lojasmo 2008-09-02 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: The McCain ad is horrible--
"Maverick change agents"- what a joke!
What exactly is McCain planning on changing? The economy? Better not hand that job to Palin, she's shown not to be so "mavericky" when it comes to running up the bills!
How about Iraq? McCain thinks we need to stay there for the next 100 years, Palin hasn't paid that much attention to Iraq. So where is the change there?
Tax cuts? McCain wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, while ignoring the soaring deficit caused by those tax cuts.
So what change are you talking about exactly?
by skohayes 2008-09-02 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

McCain ad almost compliments Barack. They seem to imply that he is a powerful congressional leader. Fine with me.

by flux08 2008-09-02 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Obama's not doing too bad for being the "weakest Democratic Nominee in decades, is he Jerome?


by John in Chicago 2008-09-02 12:47PM | 0 recs
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by lojasmo 2008-09-02 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Neither was Bush in 1999....

by dtaylor2 2008-09-02 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Bush was never weak, and anyone who thought so was a fool. As a candidate he was quite strong, especially following Dole.

Obama's never been a weak candidate either, despite Jerome's feeling otherwise.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-09-02 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy

Am I the only one who has problems with brightcove?  Thing always stops halfway thru for me.  

Also, what was with the Senator selection in the R ad?  Byron Dorgan?  Seriously?  Does anyone outside the political blogsphere and North Dakota know who he is?

by bosdcla14 2008-09-02 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: This could get easy


For the love of god and all that's sacred, please ditch the 2008 Nomination Delegate Counter!

by OIL GUY 2008-09-02 10:43PM | 0 recs


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