Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

It has been forty years since someone as inexperienced as Sarah Palin has been put on a national ticket, and surprisingly enough there are some real similarities between Palin and her unprepared predecessor, Spiro T. Agnew, who also had been governor less than two years at the time Richard Nixon picked him to be his number two and who also had a corruption problem lingering in the background that would end up causing his running mate problems.

Prior to being sworn in as the Governor of Alaska a mere 19 months ago, Palin served as the mayor and a city councilor of the small city of Wasilla, which according to 2005 census estimates had a population of 8,471. This hardly rounds out the type of resume traditionally seen in vice presidential candidates -- and indeed is one of the two thinnest resumes of any major party vice presidential nominee since 1936, the only other nominee to match her level of inexperience being Agnew, who had also only served two years as Governor (though of the significantly larger state of Maryland) by the time he was sworn in as Vice President in January 1969.

But the comparisons between Palin and Agnew do not end there. Just as a corruption scandal from Agnew's time as Maryland Governor plagued him throughout his Vice Presidential tenure -- in the end forcing him to resign -- so too does Palin have a corruption problem brewing in the background. What's more, her corruption and abuse of power problem is one easily understood by voters: She allegedly attempted to have fired a state trooper in a custody battle with her sister.

Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday revealed an audio recording that shows an aide pressuring the Public Safety Department to fire a state trooper embroiled in a custody battle with her sister.

Palin, who has previously said her administration didn't exert pressure to get rid of trooper Mike Wooten, also disclosed that members of her staff had made about two dozen contacts with public safety officials about the trooper.

[...]

But Palin said her decision to fire Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan last month had nothing to do with his refusal to dump trooper Mike Wooten.

The governor said evidence of what she called a "smoking gun" conversation, and other calls made by her aides, only recently surfaced as the attorney general started an inquiry at her request into the circumstances surrounding her firing of Monegan. Palin wanted the review because a special investigator hired by the Legislature is about to investigate the firing and a legislator has been quoted in a newspaper story talking about impeachment.

The majority of the calls came from Palin's chief of staff at the time, Mike Tibbles, according to information gathered by the state attorney general's office. Attorney General Talis Colberg and Palin's husband, Todd, also contacted Monegan about the trooper.

Do we really need to put another wildly inexperienced, purely political choice into the White House, only to see issues from that candidate's past potentially stain the Vice Presidency?

Tags: Alaska, corruption, Sarah Palin, White House 2008 (all tags)

Comments

69 Comments

Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

You can add to the list that she's apparently a creationist.  I'm not sure if Agnew held that view.

by rfahey22 2008-08-29 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Are you kidding me, seriously? Are we that one sided now?

She was a former Mayor and is the governor of Alaska.

Obama is a one term senator with none/zero executive experience of any sort. He has personally admitted to not being much of a manager.

WTF?

by kristoph 2008-08-29 07:33AM | 0 recs
I don't give a damn

if she served five terms as senator, if she had been governor for forty years...she is a right wing conservative whose belief system is about as far from mine (and Hillary's) as it gets.

The ONLY reason the Hillary campaign uses the experience meme is because in reality Hillary and Obama are the same on the issues......

by Jjc2008 2008-08-29 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Whoa whoa whoa...

First - Obama's state senate district had darn near as many residents as the whole of Alaska.  Sure - there's a difference between being a senator and a governor... but facts are facts.

Second - let's not discount Obama time in the US Senate, and especially, on the foreign relations committee.

Finally...  while I'm a 50 state strategy proponent - I think we need to really assess whether spending 18 months as governor of Alaska is anything remotely close to governing the United States.

Yeah - I'm going there... Hawaii is 'exotic'?  Well... Alaska is a fundamentally different state in so, so, so many ways.  It's got a revenue stream that trumps that of any other state - it's economics are utterly foreign to those of the continental 48 states.   Am I throwing Alaska under the national bus?  No - but let's acknowledge that Alaska is very special case compared to the United States.

by zonk 2008-08-29 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Your contention that Obama has no executive experience is preposterous.  He created an enterprise that took on the Chicago machine and won.  That machine wanted the other guy in the Senate.  And that machine is famous for it's power.

He created another enterprise that took on the Clinton machine and the DLC and again won.  This enterprise meets ALL the definitions of a moderate to large business.  And we all know the power of THAT enterprise.

And he created BOTH of those enterprises from scratch.  In Alaska, Palin was governor of an enterprise that is designed to accommodate all kinds of extremes in the leadership skills of the CEO (Governor).  States MUST continue to exist even if the person who won an election is an idiot, and even if that person who won that election is brilliant.  The infrastructure is there for all possibilities.  (Though I think it's clear from the Bush administration, that if you are the CEO long enough, you can destroy nearly any infrastructure.

So Barack creates a phenomenal enterprise from scratch and creates more than one phenomenal success story and Palin walks into a pre-built enterprise, and Palin is the one with all the wonderful experience?

By your measure, Palin has more experience than McCain!

(My apologies, I accept the fact that you probably don't really believe this foolishness that Palin has all this experience, and that you are simply passing along the latest talking point from your employer, the RNC.  So, I'm sorry.  But please, can't you people make this at least somewhat credible?)

by prius04 2008-09-01 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew
Celebrity, anyone?
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5IjheNLpxmsQcM:http://bp2.blogger.com/_uExTzMIDd1Y/R2O5nKq9_tI/AAAAAAAAATE/At2bb_K_3ao/s400/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg">
by Obama44 2008-08-29 07:35AM | 0 recs
And honestly the notion that HRC supporters,

the ones who are true liberals like myself, would JUST vote for a woman, ANY WOMAN, is insulting as hell.

This pick to me is as insulting as it would be if Obama had picked Sebelius.  It is as insulting as it would have been had Hillary had won and instead of Obama picked Harold Ford.

All black people and all woman are NOT THE SAME.

And btw Palin is NO HILLARY CLINTON.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-29 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Spiro with a smile.  A nice female smile.  

Even his friends knew that the real Agnew was a SOB.  My guess is that Sarah is nicer.

I like the Quayle analogy best.

by howardpark 2008-08-29 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Pat Robertson with a bosom?

by Obama44 2008-08-29 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

If folks don't quit with the "X with breasts/bosom" sexist crap, I'm going to start handing out free donuts.  

This is the absolute worst tack we can take toward defeating Palin. It's actively harmful to keep drawing attention to her gender. Hit her on the ISSUES, on how she is definitely more of "more of the same."

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

SuGeAtARC is correct.  Her gender is not the issue.  People need to point out that there are ethics charges pending against her, she thinks that creationism should be taught in public schools as SCIENCE??!? and she is anti-choice.  

Besides, the republicans will make all of the sexist comments you might ever want to hear (assuming you might want to hear that crap).

I was just over at the RealClearPolitics site and they have some of the most vile right wing commenters there.  They are making all kind of comments about her being a MILF at the same time they talk about her swaying Hillary voters.  And this is from people that think she is a good choice.   Talk about incongruous!  Maybe they don't realize Hillary voters are not really looking for a MILF!  What crap!!!

by FastMovingCloud 2008-08-29 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I would like to add, however, that your previous comment about her being a CELEBRITY is right on!  Just try to avoid the gender angle.  It's not helpful.

by FastMovingCloud 2008-08-29 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

It's a fool who ignores the obvious fact that Palin was chosen solely because of her bosom gender.

by Obama44 2008-08-29 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

A great trip around the internets are showing a lot of love from the wingnuts.   So McCain has that going for him.  

5 kids, has this chick ever thought of birthcontrol.   YIKES!

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 07:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

How about her husband? Has HE ever thought of birth control? Why is it Palin's duty?

PLEASE do not bring sexism to the table on this! It's a LOSING STRATEGY! Hit her on the issues, okay?

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-29 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I'm cringing right and left.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

OMG.

Poeple are coming unhinged.  

Seriously.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Okay, I'll play along.

5 kids?!  Yikes.   Couldn't her husband put a helmet on his soldier?

By the way for you kids out there, I don't think birth control should be a duty of one party of the other.  I suggest before insertion that both parties (or all parties - if ya are really gettin' freaky) involved agree on who is using what for birth control.  Surprises can be a B!

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Chick?  Ah yes,here comes the woman hate again, blistering up and oozing out of the leftwing bloggosphere like the poison it is.  

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

This is the Republican Hillary Clinton.

I hope every HRC supporter realizes it, this was how they attempted to get Hillary Voters

an 18 month governor who was a mayor just 3 years ago, and Nationally no one has any clue who she is.

THIS is suspose to say to democrats, see vote for our woman, this is what they have to offer, THIS is what the considered Hillary on the GOP side.

by TruthMatters 2008-08-29 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Again, just to play devil's advocate, here is another way this plays out - McCain's pick says "Obama was too arrogant to honor the dreams of 18 million voters, of the women with dreams to see a woman lead this country.  I'm not a chauvinist, unlike Obama, I think a woman is ready to lead this country.  We all saw how powerful a leader Hillary would have been from her speech last week, we all wondered how the Dem party could have made her step aside for someone less experienced who would not even honor her historic achievements.  We on the Repub side think a woman is good enough to be a heartbeat from the presidency, unlike the Dems."

Is it BS?  Yes.  But in a close election, I'd be worried.

Honestly, sometimes it's like we want to lose elections.  When we had a huge, fired-up Hillary base, we could have had a "dream ticket" that was nearly invincible.  Sure, presidential candidates get to pick their VPs, and it's obvious Obama couldn't stand to have Hillary on the ticket.  But think about if the roles were reversed.  Do you think that Hillary would have been pressured to pick Obama, to honor the hopes and dreams of our huge African-American Dem base?  Women are the majority of the Dem base, too.  I'm sorry, I still think it was stupid not to offer her the VP slot, or to have made public pronouncements that she will occupy a significant cabinet or Sup Ct role in his administration.  It left us open to this.

by milton333 2008-08-29 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Left us open to what?  The idea that people are going to mistake a Sarah Palin for Hillary Clinton?

Sarah who?  Who's been in office how long?

by Jess81 2008-08-29 08:07AM | 0 recs
McCain's angle?

McCain already has the "experience" market cornered.   So if we attack Palin's light experience, are we not open to the right countering, hey Obama doesn't have any more.   Both are serving their first terms in statewide elected positions.

He may actually be rolling the dice here and using Palin's inexperience as a launching point from which to attack Obama ... by counterpunching after Democrats attack Palin.

by RichardFlatts 2008-08-29 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

But wait, wasn't Hillary the one who was only where she is because her husband cheated?  

Ha, try saying that about this one.

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:35AM | 0 recs
Executive Experience

Who has the most executive experience?

Obama, McCain, Biden, or Palin?

Governor Sarah Palin

by oliver777 2008-08-29 08:33AM | 0 recs
She does nothing to bolster McCain

on the economy.  Republicans who vote their wallets will not be enthused.

by GFORD 2008-08-29 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: She does nothing to bolster McCain

I think she ran some sort of business before her mayoring days.  She may well have some econ experience, though I doubt it's on a scale needed for the job.   I imagine there's enough to push the theme that she's been a successful businesswoman.

by January 20 2008-08-29 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Andrew:


The first criterion for a veep - and I'm simply repeating a truism here - is that they are ready to take over at a moment's notice. That's especially true when you have a candidate as old as McCain. That's more than especially true when we are at war, in an era of astonishingly difficult challenges, when the next president could be grappling with war in the Middle East or a catastrophic terror attack at home. Under those circumstances, we could have a former Miss Alaska with two terms under her belt as governor. Now compare McCain's pick with Obama's: a man with solid foreign policy experience, six terms in Washington and real relationships with leaders across the globe.

One pick is by a man of judgment; the other is by a man of vanity.

McCain has just told us how seriously he takes the war we are in. Not seriously at all.

by January 20 2008-08-29 07:38AM | 0 recs
It's a news cycle pick

It's that simple.

If the election were a week away, and if the election were to be decided strictly on paper -- hey, great choice for McCain.

I do think this was McCain's strongest pick -- but let's face it...

Now Obama no longer needs to play defense on "experience" - and can strictly play offense on "judgment".

Look...

Ultimately - this is Obama v. McCain.

Are there a few possible disaffected 'pumas' who will cheer this pick?  Sure... but guess what... McCain could have tabbed Pat Buchanan, and they were STILL going to vote him.

There's a lot, and I mean a LOT we don't know about Palin.  She's never had to run a tough national race - she won a primary against a AK governor with a 30% approval rating in deep red Alaska...   Let's see how she does on the national stage.

The only advice I would offer to Team Obama -- don't overshoot.   Point out her strong conservative leanings.  Point out that this neutralizes the McCain's whole 'experience' enchilada.  Point out there are some ethics scandal clouds gathering over Palin.

BUT - no need to shoot the moon at this point.  

by zonk 2008-08-29 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

Actually she has more executive experience than does Obama.

We might not want to bring up her 'inexperience' too much.  Best to stick her with her abortion stance.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

An executive, sure -- of a state with about half a million residents, a 'reserve fund' that no other state (and certainly the rest of the nation) has.

I know folks are hitting foreign policy hard, but I'd like to swing towards economics.

The United States does not have the built-in economic advantage Alaska has.

Alaska is one of the richest per capita states in the nation.  Alaskan residents basically get paid to be residents.   The Alaskan state government has what amounts to a huge trust fund to work with.

How does this help John McCain on his weakest area, the economy?  It only serves to further weaken him in that regard.

by zonk 2008-08-29 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

She's be Governor of a state that has about as many people as Obama's state Senate district has, for less time than Barack Obama has been running for President.  

You're twisting yourself into knots to boost McCain, per usual.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

OK, attack her inexperience.

Holy shiznit we're gonna lose this thing in a landslide.

by switching sides2 2008-08-29 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

You don't get it: McCain attacked Obama's experience.  To then turn around and select an inexperienced nominee shows that that whole line of attack was nothing more than opportunistic BS.

by rfahey22 2008-08-29 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a news cycle pick

McCain reasoned -- correctly -- that the choice of Biden for VP had already neutralized the experience issue.   He'll be focusing on other issues now.  

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

This is a very very smart pick.  And i will say this now and everyday.  Attacking Palin is a very big mistake and the more we do it thre more it is going to hurt BO's campaign.  

The sexist label is still pretty fresh and we can all agree that both the press and the BO campaign went at HRC pretty hard.  Remember the Anne Oakely line.  A lot of older women felt very strongly that HRC was treated very unfairly.

Now if it looks like we are doing the same thing to Palin there will be a backlash.  Picking Palin will hurt BO numbers but not enough to change the election but if the BO campaign and his supporters are seen as piling on Palin and this opens the still healing wounds of the primary campaigng that it could cost us the eleciotn.

So all i am saying is we need to stop acting like the right wing smear machnine and throwing shit at Palin.  SHe is not the top of the ticket McCain is.  We need to say she is a solid pick but the fact is BO is running against McCain.

Just one democrats opinion.

david

by giusd 2008-08-29 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Unilateral disarmament? You need to find a hobby other than politics.

by Obama44 2008-08-29 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Using sexist memes to denegrate her is the wrong way to go, but it would be also sexist to not attack her on her inexperience, her record, he lack of ANY foreign policy, etc.  She's an elected offical, she should be able to take it.

by trustno1 2008-08-29 08:01AM | 0 recs
No need; McCain is a big enough target.

Let this news cycle play out and then see McCain try and squeeze any points out of it.

I heard on Thom Hartmann that Palin supports aerial hunting of wolves, including wolf pups.  That is just evil.  

by chiefscribe 2008-08-29 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Let the investigations begin!

Lawmakers will hire someone within a week to investigate whether Governor Sarah Palin abused her power in firing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. The legislative council approved 100,000 dollars for the investigation that will find out whether Palin was angry at Monegan for not firing an Alaska State Trooper who went through a messy divorce with Palin's sister.

by Obama44 2008-08-29 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Okay, here's the thing about this "scandal."  One way to frame it is that she abused the power of her office to try to get her drunk, abusive ex brother-in-law cop fired.  She was both trying to protect her battered sister, and get a bad cop off the force.  

True or not, this doesn't play like a "scandal."  I think it would be a mistake to jump all over this one.  This actually sounds pretty sympathetic to many people.  And it reinforces the whole "she's a younger, female McCain," a maverick who leads with her "values," who may cross the line, but who does so on strong beliefs.

It's BS, but I just don't think this is the thing to hit her over.  And I don't want to get into faux, stretch "scandals," because Obama and Biden both have issues that can be spun as "scandals" that are probably less sympathetic than the Palin thing.

by milton333 2008-08-29 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

The investigation hasn't concluded and you defend McLame's VP like a Republican.

by Obama44 2008-08-29 09:01AM | 0 recs
McCain's Statement

From the McCain Campaign:


U.S. Senator John McCain today announced that he has selected Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate and to serve as his vice president.

Governor Palin is a tough executive who has demonstrated during her time in office that she is ready to be president. She has brought Republicans and Democrats together within her Administration and has a record of delivering on the change and reform that we need in Washington.

Governor Palin has challenged the influence of the big oil companies while fighting for the development of new energy resources. She leads a state that matters to every one of us -- Alaska has significant energy resources and she has been a leader in the fight to make America energy independent.

In Alaska, Governor Palin challenged a corrupt system and passed a landmark ethics reform bill. She has actually used her veto and cut budgetary spending. She put a stop to the "bridge to nowhere" that would have cost taxpayers $400 million dollars.

As the head of Alaska's National Guard and as the mother of a soldier herself, Governor Palin understands what it takes to lead our nation and she understands the importance of supporting our troops.

Governor Palin has the record of reform and bipartisanship that others can only speak of. Her experience in shaking up the status quo is exactly what is needed in Washington today.

by January 20 2008-08-29 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's Statement

Uprated. I wondered how the initial release was spinning her.

by BobzCat 2008-08-29 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: McCain's Statement

Uprated, because how is posting the McCain press release trollish, exactly?  Good to know what they're saying.

by milton333 2008-08-29 08:00AM | 0 recs
Stinky-Rotten Icky-Poo McCain

Yes, I added clarity for those who though I was trolling as McCain Points collector.

I hope this subject line redeems me in the eyes of those who had doubts.  Of course it opens me right up the real McCain trolls.  Not to mention those with a less scatological sense of political discourse.  Ah well, that's all fair game.

Thanks to those who caught my back!

by January 20 2008-08-29 08:23AM | 0 recs
Impact on AK Congressional Races

Will the Palin pick have any collateral impact on our impending pickups in the AK House and Senate races?

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-08-29 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Impact on AK Congressional Races

Sure...

It ensures that she cannot rescue the senate seat if Tubes gets convicted.

by zonk 2008-08-29 07:47AM | 0 recs
To your last question.....

and the term "wildly inexeperienced", have you looked at the Democratic Presidential nominee lately??? Gov. Palin has more executive experience than Obama and Biden combined. That you would ask such a question truly shows what Hillary was up against.

Your question is what we fighters call "leading with the chin"

by BJJ Fighter 2008-08-29 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: To your last question.....
Really? More executive experience? As governor of Alaska for a year and half?
That's like saying Dubya had more executive experience as a two term governor of Texas, when in fact he only worked about 100 days out of the year.
Population of Alaska? 671,000.
Population of Illinois? 13 million.
She's also under investigation for corruption, not unheard of in the state of Alaska these days.
But you keep defending her, you loser, you're just the type of voter McCain is looking for.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 07:59AM | 0 recs
12 years in an elected office

Is not "wildly inexperienced".

Well, gee, I guess Bush had more executive experience too! He was the Governor of Texas! Kerry didn't have that.

By your logic, maybe I should have voted for Dubya in 2004.

by BrighidG 2008-08-29 08:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I'm seeing a funny phenomenon here: by and large, the women on this site consider the pick absurd, while the men are worried.

It strikes me as outlandish anyway.  It's also going to smack right the fuck into a major, major hangup a lot of women, especially older ones have: the younger, prettier, less experienced woman (Palin) replacing the older, smarter one.  This just isn't going to do it for women at. all.

She may appeal to independants though.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Hard to judge gender on the internet from usernames.  I'm a woman.  Just saying that it's not clear that it's men who are worried.

by milton333 2008-08-29 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I'm going just by the people who I know.

by Jess81 2008-08-29 08:02AM | 0 recs
Blatant pandering to PUMAs
It only shows how desperate McCain is to pick a woman like Palin in order to appeal to disaffected PUMAs (they are not Hillary supporters), rather than someone that is qualified to be VP.
A republican woman on C-Span this morning was going on and on about how great it was for women that he might choose her, but I thought it was the worst choice he could possibly make.
I'm not sure why she'd appeal to anyone, frankly.
by skohayes 2008-08-29 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

That's an incorrect stereotype, that older women hate/fear younger ones.   I think it's going to play very well among the Hillary crowd.   Just a guess, time will tell.

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:42AM | 0 recs
``Do we really need widely inexperienced''

I am not sure that we should be making that argument.

I think there are much better lines of attack on the pick, but that ain't one.

Besides Spiro did get to be VP.

by ann0nymous 2008-08-29 08:12AM | 0 recs
I guess I am watching some other candidate

Oh, well. There goes how she will stand up in a debate.

by ann0nymous 2008-08-29 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

40 years?   How about less than 40 hours?   The Dems just nominated the most inexperienced person ever to lead a major ticket.   Sure Obama spent a lot of years in the IL Senate giving away public funds to pet projects of his cronies (Rezko's slum housing being a good example) and modifying legislation to protect big donors (Exelon's gutting of the nuclear protection bill in IL).  But what did he accomplish?  Gee, no one knows since his records have all mysteriously disappeared.

As his Dem colleagues so eloquently stated, top of the ticket is no place for on-the-job training.   VP, that's plausible.   And so McCain's choice is practically perfect in every way.   And it appeals to disaffected Hillary supporters.  Big time, if my friends and relatives are any indication.

by miker2008 2008-08-29 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Obama did not spent alot of time in Illinois house. plus his wife worked for daily jr. in chitown for three or more years if you know anything about illinois you must come from the daily machine to get anywhere look at illinois gov and obama they owe it to DAily just like JFK winning in 1960 check it out and stay away from anyone from the daily machine and chitown or anyone from Illinois I know I have lived heree for 51 plus years.

by oitsredtoo 2008-09-01 11:07PM | 0 recs
You're kidding, right?

"Do we really need to put another wildly inexperienced, purely political choice into the White House"

2 years as full-time governor is just as much experience as 3 as a part time Senator.

I'm voting for Obama no matter what, but I beg Dems not to make experience the issue.

by ocli 2008-08-29 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

This is a surprising choice, and she's such an unknown that anything could happen.  But a couple of thoughts:

1.  If Obama wants to turn off yet more women, he can try to play this 'scandal' but I think it will backfire.  

The trooper involved was not just in a custody dispute with Palin's sister, but had made threats to kill at least one member of her family and had tasered an 11-year old relative.  He also had threatened to "bring her down" and then accused her of releasing his employment records in the custody case, only to have it turn out that he had signed an authorization for their release himself.  There was also a confirmed incident of illegal moose-hunting (which is apparently a big deal up there) and allegations of drinking on the job.

Everyone who has had a violent armed nutcase like that in the family will understand the concerns.  Palin's picture could end up hung in the place of honor in battered women's shelters around the country.

2.  If this were a Biden-Obama ticket, criticizing her inexperience would carry little enough weight. Given an Obama-Biden ticket, the cricitism sounds like a parody.

by LBC 2008-08-29 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

The Democrats know they are in trouble.  Obama dissed Hillary and ignored the fact she had so many votes in the primary.  Every woman I have talked to is at least excited by the fact a woman is on the Republican ticket. Many, if not most, will vote for the Reps. McCain has taken the initiative after the Dems sad convention.  

How can the Democrat ticket criticize the VP pick on the basis of experience?  She has run a state (with nearly 90% favorable poll ratings), what has Barry run?  I've got news for everyone, Biden does not have a following.  The Reps are fired up over Palin!

by Cal in California 2008-08-29 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I'm sorry, but if she is too inexperienced to be VP then Obama is certainly too inexperienced to be President.  This is an argument that we should stay away from.

by BRockNYC 2008-08-29 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

Congrats!  It's so exciting to have a McCain and Palin ticket in 2008!  Good Luck!

http://www.johnmccainsarahpalin.us

by jimcass 2008-08-29 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

A lot of you who have brought up the experience comparison between Obama and Palin have overlooked one very important fact. Namely, that Obama garnered 18 million votes through 50 state primaries and was fully vetted by the voters. Whether he is qualified to lead the ticket or not has been decided by American voters. He could have been turned down by those voters.

Palin, on the other hand, has been appointed to the position of VP nominee by one man. She has not been through one national debate (and will only go through one), has not made one campaign stop and hasn't had one significant media interview. In fact, the only vetting she will receive will be by voters this November.

Let's hope Americans make the right decision.

by islay 2008-08-30 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

As an Illinois resident I fell I can speak about Obama. He is anti gun. If you loose your guns you will loose everything else. rea really read wha the founding fathers wrote. them read what hitler did before ww2, see what happened to jews and gays and everyone they did not agreee with...... plus obama hs only been in the Senate a 1 and 1/2 really he has been gone most of time running for pres. he has only sponsered one bill since in U.S. senate. What else has he done???????????? nothing  

by oitsredtoo 2008-09-01 11:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

I just finished Perlstein's Nixonland which is a good foretelling of the Republican game plan.  They can only win by dividing the country on social-wedge issues based on lies and slanders.  It occurred to me while listening to Palin tonight that, except for the good looks and easy delivery, she is the second coming of Spiro Agnew and after Googling "Spiro Agnew attacking Democrats" was led to this post.  It seems to me a good ad for the Democrats would be to show the parallels between her attacks on Obama and the Democrats with Agnew's and have her morph into Agnew.  The ad could end by pointing out that Agnew was convicted of taking bribes and that Palin is being investigated for abuse of her office.

by bncoop 2008-09-03 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Sarah Palin is Spiro Agnew

You forgot to mention that Agnew was selected by Nixon in place of George W. Romney - yes, Mitt's dad!

by Airstrip One Observer 2008-09-04 12:58AM | 0 recs

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