Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I'm at the California delegation breakfast this morning where on my way in I was handed a flyer asking "Why Is Gloria Gagged?"

On this day, the 88th anniversary of Women's Suffrage, we invite the California Hillary delegates to un-gag Gloria Allred.

Gloria Allred, high profile celebrity lawyer from Los Angeles, is a Hillary delegate and will be holding a "provocative, post-breakfast discussion honoring Sen. Hillary Clinton's historic candidacy."

Greaaat. But I have to say I'm intrigued. Allred herself just wandered through the ballroom with a gag over her mouth waving a sort of cape behind her. I just heard her say to reporters who've flocked over to her:

We all support Senator Obama but our voices must be heard and the votes of those who elected us must be honored.

More after the breakfast.

Tags: DNCC, gloria allred, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

85 Comments

Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

a cape?  really?

by fogiv 2008-08-26 06:53AM | 0 recs
BWHWHAHAHAHAHHA

I more interested in the gag.  I didn't know she was kinky.

by Al Rodgers 2008-08-26 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Who are the morons in our party that voted for this creature as Delegate? She is one of the most vile people I have seen on my tv. She symbolizes everything I hate about lawyers.

Why could't this moron be a republican instead?

by Pravin 2008-08-26 06:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Hey, lay off the lawyer hatred stuff.  If you're not careful, you'll start talking about tort "reform" and "junk law suits."  

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Sorry, but we do need to bash the bad lawyers, just like we bash the bad politicians.

For every good ACLU type lawyer, there are plenty working for places like the Southern Legal Foundation.   Not all lawyers are good and just, nor do they need to be defended.

As I stated before, this woman represented Paula Jones when she was suing Bill Clinton.  She helped the Republicans more than almost anyone else in getting Clinton impeached.  Why would any fans of Clinton want her anywhere near them???

by gavoter 2008-08-26 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

i personally think punitive damages need to  be taxed at least 50% for both the winning lawyers and plaintiffs in those cases. This way, it is not like they hit the jackpot when the jury wants to punish the guilty party.

Anyway, I got a lot of problems with lawyers in our country. I admire the ones who fight the good fight in social causes. There are also those who stay in government to fight for a decent but not outrageous wage. And I will admit even some corporate lawyers are not bad. But quite frankly, I have a problem with lawyers making more than engineers and as much as doctors for merely facilitating things. I have seen way too many mediocre people get into law and seem to automatically make more than productive people like Engineers or even some doctors. Of course, there are some incompetent lawyers who dont make that much either. But that's because we have a glut of lawyers. My sis went to small claims court against her apartment complex to claim damages for what seemed to be a straight case of mold damaging her stuff like clothes(not some hidden obscure harm). Even in a straightforward small claims issue, the other side brought in a lawyer and outlawyered her in a case. If we need to spend money on lawyers even for simple cases, we are depending way too much on lawyers. The legal system needs a semi reboot to make the law more affordable for everyone or more accessible to the average citizen.

by Pravin 2008-08-26 07:18AM | 0 recs
Everybody hates Lawyers till they Need one.

As in all professions there are good guys and bad guys. Some even exploit their professions. I've been on both sides of disputes and good lawyers become your person advocate and are worth their fees! Usually each side ends up hating the other's advocate as much as they hate their plaintiff/defendant.

by eddieb 2008-08-26 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"
I understand your anger, but I think most of it is misplaced.

i personally think punitive damages need to  be taxed at least 50% for both the winning lawyers and plaintiffs in those cases. This way, it is not like they hit the jackpot when the jury wants to punish the guilty party.

Most states already place heavy taxes on punitive damages. Some states don't allow punitives at all.

I have a problem with lawyers making more than engineers and as much as doctors for merely facilitating things. I have seen way too many mediocre people get into law and seem to automatically make more than productive people like Engineers or even some doctors.

This is not the fault of lawyers; it's the fault of the businesses that hire them. The fact is that the law has a huge financial impact on business. Executives are willing to pay large amounts of money to reduce their risk. Employees, consumers, and shareholders should expect no less.

Of course, there are some incompetent lawyers who dont make that much either. But that's because we have a glut of lawyers.

That is an ignorant statement and is insulting to the thousands and thousands of competent lawyers out there who aren't making big money. Did you know that the average starting salary for law school graduates is about $50k? That's about the same as for engineers coming out of college, yet law school graduates have three additional years of debt to pay off. The fact is that most lawyers don't make the big bucks. A huge number of them work for small firms, for government, or for non-profits. And in private practice, the vast majority of them are not doing the type of litigation that you describe. Most of them are doing transactional work, advising corporate clients on how to comply with the law. You do want Corporate America complying with our Superfund laws, don't you?
by nstrauss 2008-08-26 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Whenever I see an article on court costs, the hourly rates seem so generous even if the lawyers involved are just your average run of hte mill lawyers. Yes, lawyers do struggle early in their career to get a footing. But overall, more of them seem to make it big compared to engineers who have a more steady but slower ascendancy.

I was able to win traffic cases on my behalf more than your dedicated traffic lawyer who charges a bunch of money just to get access to his connections in the court. He doesn't win my case by arguing it. He wins it by making a freaking deal with the court like he is a broker.

Compliancy is one thing. But there are too many frivolous lawsuits that do not get dismissed. The Hunter Tylo case was ridiculous. This is a lady who got hired based on looks. Nothing else. And Allred sues on her behalf and goes on every channel acting like she is fighting on behalf of some freedom fighter or something.

And like I said, if you can get outlawyered in a small claims court, then the law is too expensive for the common person.

And let's not get into hourly padding.  

by Pravin 2008-08-26 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

You're mistakenly replacing "lawyer" with "trial lawyer."  There's a lot of people doing legal work out there who aren't doing flashy trial work (probably a majority).  The trial lawyers are on top of the food chain.

by auronrenouille 2008-08-26 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"


Yes, lawyers do struggle early in their career to get a footing. But overall, more of them seem to make it big compared to engineers who have a more steady but slower ascendancy.

Seem to, because that's what you see on TV. Law practice is one of the unhappiest professions in America. And think of all of the software engineers who have struck paydirt in IPOs or at "hot" companies like Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc.

Compliancy is one thing. But there are too many frivolous lawsuits that do not get dismissed. The Hunter Tylo case was ridiculous. This is a lady who got hired based on looks. Nothing else. And Allred sues on her behalf and goes on every channel acting like she is fighting on behalf of some freedom fighter or something.

Everyone deserves legal representation, even those evil terrorists in Gitmo.

Look, I'm not saying that there aren't problems with the legal profession. There are. Legal representation is too expensive for most individuals, many lawyers are forced to make unfair lifestyle choices, and young lawyers don't have enough opportunities to serve the public interest. But your lawyer-bashing is pretty misplaced. Lawyers are a mixed bunch. As other folks here have said, some are good, some are bad. Have you ever met a lawyer? Talked to him or her about their job, why they do it?

by nstrauss 2008-08-26 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I have dealt with lawyers a lot when I was in the claims industry before I got into software(I was a double major in college with interests in both technical and business sides). They used to wine and dine us with their fat expense accounts and seem to get rewarded for familiarizing themselves with the tedium of law. Laborers work hard too but they dont get lots of money for their tedious work. I get a lot of traffic tickets and fight them in court. I do not see the average law case as anything skilled. All I did was look up every freaking piece of relevant law code and exploited the loopholes. And I came up with better arguments than some high priced traffic lawyer.

But nstrauss, i agree that not all lawyers are bad. That is why I made it a point that to praise the lawyers that fight the good fight. But too often, I see the law favoring those with rich lawyers. Now it is not possible to come up with a utopian system. But does it have to be so blatant? Cases where race is a factor seems to arise out of jury and prosecutorial biases. But in most other cases, the system itself seems to favor the high powered lawyer too much. They treat it like this game where cases can stay in limbo if it does not favor their client.Or they come up with some paid experts who are a joke.

And I gotta say I angrier at the system itself that individual lawyers themselves for the most part(except for people like Allred who I despise personallY). hell, if I went through law school, I probably wouldn't decline a good hourly rate if I ever got into a senior position. So I do not mean to condemn most lawyers on an individual basis.  

And yes, I apologize for diverting this thread into a rant on lawyers in general. Such a rant would require more careful research from me to back up what I observe and a dedicated series of diaries for that.

by Pravin 2008-08-26 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

"I get a lot of traffic tickets and fight them in court. I do not see the average law case as anything skilled."

Wow, what an arrogant and offensive thing to say.  I bill out at over $300/hour.  I'm not working on traffic ticket cases.  My clients get their moneys worth and then some.  

By the way, I assume you are even more angry and go around bashing (1)plastic surgeons; (2) I-bankers; (3) google software engineers and any other number of professions that make exponentially more  money than lawyers, right?  

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Your clients are probably stinkin rich or your expertise ended the case so fast that their total payment wasnt so much for the 300 an hour to be worthwhile. My buddy has reputedly one of the best divorce lawyers in town and he is getting billed at 200 or 250 an hour. I dont think he is getting his money's worth because he seems good, but hardly godlike in ending his case fast. Even his middling divorce lawyer he had to fire because of lack of progression in his case was charging him 175 an hour.

If you are truly great, and you are dealing with a big money case, I am not going to complain about 300 an hour as almost every profession has a super high end niche. So in theory I am not against the elite making big money in ANY profession. It seems like with lawyers, the good think they are elite, the average think they are near elite, and the below average think they are good. I am complaining about the middling lawyer my buddy had to fire who charged 175 an hour. There are more like her. And I think a lot more lawyers seem to think they deserve elite pay even if they are not truly elite. Can you imagine the price of goods if your average engineer or programmer starts charging 100 an hour or 200 an hour if he runs his own business.

by Pravin 2008-08-26 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Small firm lawyers, or solo-practitioners who charge $100/hour or $150/hour have to spread overhead costs among a smaller group of clients.  They're not gettingn rich doing that kind of work.  You're wrong if you think otherwise.  

Also, what does ending a case quickly have to do with whether or not an attorney is "good?"  Every case is different.  Every Judge is different.  "Speed" really has very little to do with the quality of a lawyer's performance.  

Oh, and as to you being OK with "really good" lawyers billing lots, hold on to your hat for this one -- I bill out at $300/hour as a relatively junior associate.  Parners I work with bill out at $700-1,000/hour.  Although I will add that they are only handling casea at the macro level.  

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I think you have a strangely slanted view of the profession.  

Sure, there are good lawyers and bad lawyers.  But I don't think that division is ACLU v. everyone else.  Also, given your draconian tax proposal you appear to hate both the class action bar (which, by the way, helps protect your rights every day without you knowing it.  The Bush administration sucks are regulatory enforcement.  The threat of civil liability, in the aggregate, helps keep corporations honest) and "corporate lawyers," whatever the heck that means.  That's an impressive "hate" accomplishment.    

As to lawyers making more than engineers (your professon, by any chance?), it's worth noting that most lawyers aren't pulling in six figures.  The median income for someone out of law school less than ten years -- nationwide -- is in the neighborhood of 60K.  The folks working at large firms make a lot more.  They also work like crazy people and generally carry huge amounts of debt since they go to school for three more years than, for example, an engineer.  I left law school with 120K in debt above and beyond my college debt, for example.    

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I am not an engineer. I work in software and get compensated well. I have no complaints with how my peers get compensated. And many scientists and engineers go through masters and PHD programs too. Sure, they have a cushier life for the first 5-10 years after college.

I have seen some brilliant lawyers who deserve everything they get even if they do not work for social causes. Same with other people I know in other professions. I

But if you are average lawyer, I see no reason why they should be making anything more than a beuracrat as their skill level is not being an exceptonal litigator or analyst of legal cases, but merely a hoarder of legal information. As I said before, my sis had to battle the other company;s lawyer in a freaking small claims court and they got off on some technicalities. Is this the law of the people? Or designed to make people hire lawyers for every trivial thing?  

by Pravin 2008-08-26 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Lawyers, like every other profession, get paid the salary the market is willing to pay them.  You seem to think that's unfair for some unknown reason that continues to elude me.  

How would you feel, out of curiosity, if I told you that your profession should make 40% less because "what you do really isn't that hard."  Is that a message you would respond well to?  

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

By the way, in response to your response below, definitely as you say , not personal. I appreciate the frank exchange here.

I think the reason why people like me(and you probably know there are lot of laymen like me) have this "lawyers make too much" notion is we cant avoid lawyers in some areas of life and it seems tough for us to go out on our own if we dont feel like paying what even the average lawyer wants. And the few lawyers who I noticed charge affordable amounts seemed to be total idiots. (as we mentioned earlier, the low paid lawyers for social causes and non profits are not part of this thread's sentiments) So we build up a certain resentment over the years that we have no choice and lawyer fees do not seem as elastic as we wish them to be. I may be wrong on this, but that is just a perception I get whenever I look for a lawyer.  The perception people like me tend to have is if we dont want to pay for a solid lawyer, we are stuck with an inexpensive moron as a lawyer or we have to waste a lot of time representing ourselves. I will reiterate that this is just my perception and I do not base on any hard scientific research.

So when I see Gloria allred, all kinds of visceral reactions get started and she represents to me all the frivolous lawsuits we see.  

by Pravin 2008-08-26 05:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

By the way, despite my rants, I have no problem with you defending your side. So no worries about considering you a jerk. It helps me see the other side of things. What I express is just years and years of frustrating observations. So I don't mind the back and forth.  

by Pravin 2008-08-26 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I apologize for being a bit too heated in my responses.  I just think that there is a natural tendance to discount some of the work that goes into professions other than your own.  As someone who made huge sacrifices to get my law degree, and who works extremely hard now to earn the salary I earn, it is difficult to read someone casually disparage large sements of the profession.  

That said, I understand that your comments were not personal.  

by HSTruman 2008-08-26 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Wow, its a little early to be hitting the sauce, Gloria...

by John in Chicago 2008-08-26 06:56AM | 0 recs
Is Allred going to sue Obama

for hurting her feelings?

by Pravin 2008-08-26 06:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

save me some waffles, todd!

[im hungry.]

by alyssa chaos 2008-08-26 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

WOW. what chutzpah.  
REMEMBER this is THE woman who represented Paula Jones.   She railed against Bill Clinton for 8 years back in the 90s.   She helped the GOP try to impeach Bill.

To see this %&$#@ try and now claim the mantle of standing up to defend Hillary???  

This is just more proof to me that the die-hard PUMA really hate Hillary and everything that the Democrats stand for.

by gavoter 2008-08-26 07:00AM | 0 recs
Frankly I wonder

if she's even really a PUMA. Free PR is free PR.

by Neef 2008-08-26 07:22AM | 0 recs
gatoPescado What the hell is your problem

Troll/hide rating somebody for stating a fact is a bit of a misuse.

She represented Paula Jones, in the sexual harassment case against former U.S. president Bill Clinton,
This from her bio.

If you think it's a - so what - just say that, but to troll/hide rate is just being silly.

by jsfox 2008-08-26 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: gatoPescado What the hell is your problem

Catfish is on another TR abuse spree.

by fogiv 2008-08-26 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: gatoPescado What the hell is your problem

Here's some perspective on his sincerity:

There's a Word for Folks Like Her  (4.00 / 4)
And it rhymes with witch (hi cheetos!).

Superdelegates - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
by: Alegre @ Mon Aug25, 2008 at 22:03:03 PM CDT

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by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: gatoPescado What the hell is your problem

Nice to see Alegre's still as classy and consistent as ever.

by BlueinColorado 2008-08-26 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I reced every comment

Hee hee. "I recced every comment. It's what we do at Alegre's whiny circle jerk. It helps us feel better about ourselves".

And people say you're a bunch of losers. As if!

by BlueinColorado 2008-08-26 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah Muhammed Ali was uppity too

Um... Okay.

Little early in the day to be on your third Zima, isn't it, Fish?

by BlueinColorado 2008-08-26 09:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah Muhammed Ali was uppity too

You give her way too much credit by suggesting that alcohol is responsible for this stupidity.

Catfish, what other African-Americans would you like to refer to as "uppity" shortly after reccing a comment referring to Michelle Obama as a "bitch"? If you can work some ageism in here, or maybe call some disabled kids "tards" then you get the Bad Taste Trifecta for the day.

by Poor Yorick 2008-08-26 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: gatoPescado What the hell is your problem

she needs to be HR'd into oblivion

by venician 2008-08-26 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I didn't know the DNC had invited a circus to perform for everyone.

by rfahey22 2008-08-26 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Was she the one who had a cameo in the movie "Rat Race"?

by applejackking 2008-08-26 07:02AM | 0 recs
Why is Gloria Gagged?

She forgot her safe word?

by Mobar 2008-08-26 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Why is Gloria Gagged?

Best joke of the thread.  Hands down.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Poo poo Allred all you folks want but she did quiet a lot of good for So Cal women during the 1980's. She's great on sexual harassment lawsuits.  

by Iceblinkjm 2008-08-26 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

That has nothing to do with her running around in a cape and a gag at the convention.

by rfahey22 2008-08-26 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Including the Sexual Harrasment against Bill Clinton that no one is supposed to talk about anymore.  

My point is that this woman is no true supporter of Hillary.  She has no desire to actually see the Democrats succeed this year.   She is all about self-promotion and now she is going to give the networks something to talk about all day on the 'disunity' in Denver.

by gavoter 2008-08-26 07:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

She tends to the manic and histrionic so this is not a surprise.  I'm sure she is enjoying herself.

With all this focus on intraparty problems, this convention is not going to get us a damn thing.

by mady 2008-08-26 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Histrionic? Why don't you listen to what she

So calling Michelle Obama a bitch is okay, but saying that wearing a cape and a gag is a little odd is not?

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I don't use that word.

No, you just approve of it.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Histrionic? Why don't you listen to what she

Oh for heaven's sakes.  I'm a 60-year-old woman, feminist, who has always disliked Alred for her personal style.  It's neither male nor female but obnoxious.  She's obnoxioius.  If she was a he she would still be obnoxious.  Now, you can troll rate this and enjoy yourself.  

by mady 2008-08-26 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Histrionic?

You're confusing your etymology. "Hyster" comes from the Greek for womb; "Histrion" from the Latin for actor. You know, as in someone being overly dramatic in order to draw attention to themselves.

Common mistake among the semi-educated.

by BlueinColorado 2008-08-26 08:15AM | 0 recs
I bet that's a good look for her.

She should keep the gag after the election.

I'm done pretending that any of these people are Democrats.  They are Republicans, DINO's and kooks and should be treated as part of the rightwing strategy to defeat us in November.

by GFORD 2008-08-26 07:18AM | 0 recs
A day without an HR from catfish

is a day without sunshine.

by GFORD 2008-08-26 08:06AM | 0 recs
Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break.

What is it with these damned people?  You want to blame anyone, blame Hillary for hiring the people who ran the most inept campaign I think I've ever seen.  She lost, deal with it, just like we Deaniacs did four years ago.

by Sean Robertson 2008-08-26 07:19AM | 0 recs
They aren't Democrats.

This is the Republican strategy this year.  Make it look like we are infighting by setting up a hundred groups with names like Clintons4McCain and JustSayNoDeal, etc.  Each group has less than a handful of members and there is some crossover.

We, by which I mean Democrats, ARE united. These PUMAs, etc. are not Democrats.  They're just troublemakers.  

by GFORD 2008-08-26 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Allred herself just wandered through the ballroom with a gag over her mouth waving a sort of cape behind her. I just heard her say to reporters who've flocked over to her

Sounds like someone needs a better gag.

;)

by Kysen 2008-08-26 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

yeah, the gag obviously did not work well enough

by Monkei 2008-08-26 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I wonder if the cape worked.  Can she fly?

by fogiv 2008-08-26 07:51AM | 0 recs
We'll leave that to you.

The rest of us have an election to win.

by GFORD 2008-08-26 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

So you find it acceptable to run around with a gag in your mouth while wearing a cape? How exactly is it sexist to call it what it is - crazy.

This type of behavior is what loses moderates.

by PSUdan 2008-08-26 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Gloria nevers seen a camera she didn't love or a reporter she didn't want to cover her.

Gloria is about Gloria, as everyone has noted, I remember her whining on and on about "poor Paula Jones"....

Now, she is carrying Hillary's flag?

Who appointed her?

Is she going to FIRST apologize for Paula?

Man, Hillary deserves SOOOO much better then this circus side show by this publicity hound.

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-26 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

All these people really need to us a favor and go away. This just proves that the anarchist "Recreate 68ers" aren't the only ones who would sacrifice long-term progressive politics in favor of wallowing in short-sighted, divisive and self indulgent behavior.

Two Chinese women in their 70s were sentenced to a hard labor camp for daring to ask the Chinese government for a permit to protest. That's "gagging", ok

by alexmhogan 2008-08-26 07:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

It's not sexist, it's criticism of a narcissistic ploy to gain attention at the expense of the party.  It's hard to imagine how Democrats can reach middle class voters in Ohio or Indiana, for example, if what is shown are wealthy people running around in costumes.  I'd say the same thing if Bill Clinton was running around in a Superman outfit - there's no sexism in that criticism at all.

by rfahey22 2008-08-26 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

Some have devolved to the point where they think any criticism or disagreement with a woman is a form of sexism.

Last night, my fiance craved pancakes and sausage for dinner (we're expecting).  By Catfish's reckoning, I'm a sexist because I would have preferred to order out for chinese food.

by fogiv 2008-08-26 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

That's not sexist.  Just wondering why you're anti-pancake.  What's wrong with pancakes? Sheesh.  I can barely contain my faux outrage.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-08-26 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

More outrage possibly.  Does chinese food make me a commie?

;)

by fogiv 2008-08-26 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

It seems to me that TNT would be the appropriate network to televise this particular event.

by Steve M 2008-08-26 07:46AM | 0 recs
Not possible

No gag has yet been invented that could prevent Ms. Allred from speaking.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-08-26 07:49AM | 0 recs
Not exactly

I do not make the claim that Ms. Allred represents the views of all women.  Are you?

Your insinuation really could not be further from my views.

Was making a joke about the rather obvious fact that as a political voice, few women have had as much air time over the past few decades than Ms. Allred; thus the irony in her chosen symbolism.  I do not begrudge her the air time, I just wish she was in this case more thoughtful and strategic in expressing her views.

My view is that a woman's place is in the House and Senate...and the White House.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-08-26 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: What a loudmouth, right?

So if someone bashes Pat Robertson as a jerk, they are anti-men?

by Pravin 2008-08-26 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: What a loudmouth, right?

Everyone should know their place. This is the convention.

by nstrauss 2008-08-26 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

If Gloria wants more attention she needs to get tips from this person...

Img src="http://www.underconsideration.com/s peakup/archives/kingsley_dnc_hat.jpg"> ;

by Obama44 2008-08-26 07:50AM | 0 recs
oops

 

by Obama44 2008-08-26 07:52AM | 0 recs
The Decline and Fall of the Clintons (and us)

This is Eugene McCarthy of 1968 all over again.  McCarthy righteously refused to endorse Humphrey in 1968 until September, when it was too late.  He had convinced enough of his and Bobby Kennedy's followers that Humphrey was no better than Nixon, and they sat it out in November despite his 11th-hour appeals.  We all know what happened after that.

If Clinton cannot deliver her people, her influence among Democrats is essentially over.  This convention may be her swan song, just as 1968 was McCarthy's.  (That's why so few of Clinton's delegates have ever heard of Eugene McCarthy.)

Bill started all this in the runup to South Carolina, when he signaled that he would bring down the house if the nomination didn't go to a Clinton.  Hillary stuck to that scorched earth approach when she continued to campaign and trash Obama for weeks and months after she had lost the nomination, handing the Republicans the ammunition they are using now.  If she couldn't win it, she argued then and her supporters argue now, it must be because of Democratic party corruption or (pick your evolving angry explanation).

Well, to keep switching metaphors, the toothpaste is out of the tube.  She's whipped up so much antagonism that her "supporters" can't be turned around on a dime and sent back into the party.  If Hillary's better-late-than-never speeches don't bring them around, and Obama loses, they can forget any future influence over nominations, legislation, party leadership, whatever.

They are showing that they are Clintonites (or whatever) first, and Democrats second.

This isn't sour grapes.  I was an Edwards supporter, and didn't think much of Clinton or Obama.  Clinton's people can do whatever they want.  This is America, and they're free.  They can go ahead and be righteous and angry.  I'm just telling you what I see, and that I've seen plenty of it before.  (Kennedy in 1980, anyone?  Buchanan in 1992?)

At this point, I'm getting ready for a McCain administration, and waiting to see the first awkward January encounter on the Senate floor between Senators Obama and Clinton.

Sigh.

by DFLer 2008-08-26 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: The Decline and Fall of the Clintons (and us)

Except no one can figure out if Clinton is the left wing of the part and Obama the right, or vice versa.  Not comparable.

Sheesh.  All this over Gloria Allred running around in a superhero costume?

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: So you hope Obama loses?

Oh please.  You were just over at Alegre's Corner calling Michelle Obama a "bitch".

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 08:00AM | 0 recs
Stay Classy

in your fight against sexist and demeaning commentary, Catfish!

There's a Word for Folks Like Her
And it rhymes with witch (hi cheetos!).

Superdelegates - CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?
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by Koan 2008-08-26 08:31AM | 0 recs
That's where you are wrong.

Obama's job is to present his platform, his policies and himself to the American voters. It is definitely not to babysit a bunch of wierdos.

by GFORD 2008-08-26 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: The Decline and Fall of the Clintons (and us)

At this point, I'm getting ready for a McCain administration

GOP propaganda of division and defeat works better on some than others.

Chalk another one up for Rove and his disciples.

by Obama44 2008-08-26 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

Dont be an idiot. Every comment here is sexist? To call out a self promoting shameless lawyer who has more makeup than Heath Ledger in Batman?

by Pravin 2008-08-26 07:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Every comment in here is sexist

The idiot commment refers to this MYDDer trollrating a bunch of comments in this thread. Maybe you should intern with Allred and sue us all if you are so easily offended.

by Pravin 2008-08-26 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Way to fan the flames, Beeton

You're the expert on both sexist language and bashing democrats.

by MeganLocke 2008-08-26 08:03AM | 0 recs
Gloria Allred "Gagged" Really!?

Isn't it odd Gloria was able to TALK a whole lot whilst wearing a gag!? I guess she is some sort of super hero and now the cape makes sense.

by eddieb 2008-08-26 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Way to fan the flames, Beeton

Why can't we have our crazies too?

by eddieb 2008-08-26 08:16AM | 0 recs
Ever notice how many Democrats

you bash including the presidential nominee, his wife and the vice presidential nominee?  So I guess when you say 'we' you mean you and your freeper friends.

You are not fooling anyone catfish and you never have.  I know you are visiting here from Free Republic to stir up trouble but it ain't working.  

by GFORD 2008-08-26 08:20AM | 0 recs
I do have to say

that the PUMA stories don't help us, here or in the MSM. We're just giving it more oxygen.

by Neef 2008-08-26 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

I want to see Hillary deck her.  Considering how Gloria treated Bill in the 1990s, I want to see Hillary walk up and clock her.   Gloria was one of the main people that completely sidetracked the entire country in the 1990s by running around with Paula Jones.  She helped the GOP to impeach Clinton and did what she could to stop anything meaningful from happening.

And now she is trying to claim that she is only defending Hillary?  Give me a break.  Gloria cares about Gloria.  She is almost as bad as nancy Grace.

by gavoter 2008-08-26 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

With all her showboating, when does she actually have the time to do real work on her case? Or does she have her interns and fresh out of college grads do all the work on her cases? Somehow she has won some cases that I thought were unwinnable like the ridiculous Hunter Tylo case.

by Pravin 2008-08-26 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Is this a kink site now?

by Drummond 2008-08-26 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Gloria Allred "Gagged"

Gloria Allred "Gagged" is a physical impossibility.   I used to work in the same building as her offices.  Every other day the news would be going up the elevators to meet with her to talk about her latest "outrage."

by phidda 2008-08-26 11:41AM | 0 recs

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