Open Thread

What's going on tonight? Who's your VP pick? What day will Obama announce?

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He will announce on Hillary is the VP Day.


by dtaylor2 2008-08-02 11:18PM | 0 recs
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That's what I'd like to see happen because I think they would make the strongest, most charismatic ticket (let's face it - charisma counts), but I'm not at all sure that is what he will do. If anything, Obama has proven he's a tough one to pin down/second guess. My current guess is Sam Nunn, but what do I know.

by phoenixdreamz 2008-08-03 07:13AM | 0 recs
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He's spending more than 20 hours in Indiana starting Wednesday afternoon.  Methinks a Bayh announcement could be in the works.

by Vox Populi 2008-08-02 11:56PM | 0 recs
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Man, I really really hope you're wrong:

The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI) is pleased to welcome Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.) as an Honorary Co-Chairman. Bayh becomes the third U.S. Senator to join the committee after Sens. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced their participation on January 28.

If Obama chooses Bayh as veep, then his "judgment over experience" argument will be instantly nullified.

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 05:12AM | 0 recs
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His judgement?  lol... That myth was put to rest months ago.

by rankles 2008-08-03 06:02AM | 0 recs
Talk about unilateral disarmament.

Choosing any Democrat who voted with McWMD will injure Obama.

by Glaurung 2008-08-03 07:36AM | 0 recs
Tim Roemer's home town

Obama will be in South Bend, which is Tim Roemer's home town. Roemer is a former congressman, he was on the 9/11 commission, he has a PhD from Notre Dame in International Relations, is a Catholic and the father of four children, and he is the president of a national security think tank.  The only negative for him is that he's pro-life.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-03 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

The only negative for him is that he's pro-life.

And he voted in favor of the Iraq War.  Two strikes and you're out?

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

Having someone who voted for the war who then says that Obama had better judgment than he did is a powerful statement about Obama's readiness to be president.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-03 05:59AM | 0 recs
who then says that Obama had better judgment

To my knowlege neither Clinton nor Bayh has renounced their votes nor admitted Obama's superior judgment.

by Glaurung 2008-08-03 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town


Why did you mention that he is "catholic?"  I am seeing more and more candidates for VP having their
particular brand of Christianity mentioned.  And quite a few seem to be catholic.  Is that(being catholic) considered a positive?  WHY?

Just asking.  As a person who was raised catholic, who went to catholic school, and at one time was proud of the Church's leadership in the anti war, anti poverty movements of the 60s, I now find myself totally alienated from a church that at least in these parts (the west) is anti woman, and rigid in its political influence....pushing for right wingers from the pulpit.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-03 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

I mention it because it should help Obama appeal to Catholics.

by politicsmatters 2008-08-03 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

Catholics in general is an area where he has not done as well.

A small majority of them also happen to be Latino(a), and some think that will help him there as well.

by TxDem08 2008-08-03 06:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

Thanks for answering....

by Jjc2008 2008-08-03 09:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

I think we can make a safe separation between the catholic church, which has been evil at times (lots of times!)...and people who happen to grow up catholic and do good works.

Catholic is a plus because of working class catholics that defected to Reagan ( for god knows what reason) in the 80s.

Now it is a cultural thing. Kerry was catholic, but only nominally. Joe Biden is catholic and it propels his need to do good in the world.
Like the civil rights priests in the sixties, not the child buggerers that seem to be more common and closeted.

by demwords 2008-08-03 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Roemer's home town

"Catholic is a plus because of working class catholics that defected to Reagan ( for god knows what reason) in the 80s."

I knew a lot of those people.  Many were like my father...older, catholic, veterans.  Reagan was the first time he had voted republican since 1952.  
A big part of it was because Reagan represented age, in cultural identity, and in the movies.  It was so not my dad to vote against his own best interests and Reagan's fiscal policy hurt him.  Sadly, my father was blinded by his anger and frustration with the anti war, hippie movement.  
He came from an immigrant family (his parents were both from Italy escaping the fascist regimes, the Mafia....and his father saw American as a way to give his children a life better than a peasant farmer...and he did). He, like his father, got goosebumps at the national anthem, and wanted to believe the "American the Beautiful" vision of ourselves and like Reagan and others, saw hippies as being anti American (which wasn't true as I tried to explain to Dad on many occasions).

But most of those people are dead and gone.  
I think (again just my view) the remaining Reagan dems were the then yuppies who were all about greed and material stuff and getting rich and to hell with the rest of the world.
My friends and family, mostly all boomers, most us came of age in the 60s, hated Reagan and everything he stood for.  We are all pro union, pro world unity, pro open minded to see those different from ourselves with respect.  At the same time, the women in our group, have real issues with gray areas (like how can we respect parts of the Muslim world where women are treated like chattel, beaten and killed and never allowed to be treated as equals).  I only bring this up to illustrate how often gray areas become bones of contention between liberals of all kinds.

And for many of us, the catholic church remains way to paternalistic, way to closed minded.  So picking a pro life catholic would not be our first choice at all.

by Jjc2008 2008-08-03 09:29AM | 0 recs
He has a townhall Wednesday morning in Elkhart, IN html

So I wouldn't read much into this. Not that it means it won't be Bayh. I think he might leave it until the convention now but have no idea who he will pick.

by conspiracy 2008-08-03 06:07AM | 0 recs
Wednesday morning in Elkhart, IN

According to NBC, he won't be leaving until Thursday afternoon.  Why stay so long for a town hall?

by Vox Populi 2008-08-03 07:07AM | 0 recs

''On the Veepwatch front, nothing's on Obama's schedule yet, but the traveling press registration e-mail has us flying to South Bend at 6:30 p.m. Tuesday and not leaving until 3:25 p.m. the next day.'' 008/08/02/1243444.aspx

by conspiracy 2008-08-03 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Wednesday morning in Elkhart, IN

Hopefully, this means Obama won't be announcing Bayh as vp this week:

Obama's campaign had hoped to announce his pick this week to grab the spotlight before the Beijing Olympics. But now a decision is unlikely to come until the week before the party convention, which begins in Denver on Aug. 25.

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 08:21AM | 0 recs

Came back from poker night with a few friends at a pet store (buddy is the owner).  Poker and pets can't get any better.  

Obama's VP pick will be  Kaine

The announcement will be on August 17th

Anyone wants to call or raise?!

by optimusprime 2008-08-02 11:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Poker

I've already gone all-in on Hillary, so I'm sitting watching everyone else bet knowing all my outs are gone.

by rankles 2008-08-03 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Obama's VP:

Tim Kaine

Announcement August 18th so that he can steel most if not all of the news coverage that entire week leading up to the convention and during the convention. 2 full weeks of press coverage.

So there you go

Tim Kaine, August 18th.

by Justin Pugh 2008-08-03 12:15AM | 0 recs
I'm going all in on Clark

   He's got the nuts to hang tough on his POW comments, the Clinton supporters trust him, and he'd be a good, if unorthodox, voice on military matters. Having said that, I wouldn't mnd seeing Sebelius get the nod. She has a good head on her shoulders.

by Kordo 2008-08-03 12:17AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm going all in on Clark

I'm with you on Clark, but Sebilius...I don't think so.

by TxDem08 2008-08-03 06:12AM | 0 recs
Clark is the obvious choice,
 but it seems he won't be picked.  It'll probably be one of the wishy washy middle of the road Dems on the short list.
Boo fricking hoo!
by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-08-03 06:49AM | 0 recs
Clark would be great

but I would love to see him pick Biden.

by GFORD 2008-08-03 12:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Clark would be great

Biden would be great for his propensity to go after the quick whip.  But that's as likely as Rangel getting the nod.

by TxDem08 2008-08-03 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

A Congressman...

Rahm Emanuel
Tim Roemer
Joe Sestak
Chet Edwards
Nick Lampson

by mbcarl 2008-08-03 01:28AM | 0 recs
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someone who speaks Spanish.

Kaine, but I like Dodd or Richardson.

by misscee 2008-08-03 03:36AM | 0 recs
Schweitzer is my first choice

But as long as it isn't Hillary Clinton I will be happy.  

My guess is he will pick his VP nominee as late as possible but before the convention.  I think he wants to drown out the noise from McCain's VP choice by announcing his right after McCain does.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-03 04:27AM | 0 recs
Obama will announce his VP pick

August 18th.

I think that he will pick Kaine.

by puma 2008-08-03 04:40AM | 0 recs
Obama will do a head-fake

And then announce Kathleen Sebelius as his vp on August 18th.

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 05:07AM | 0 recs
Who I want vs. Who I think

Hillary, in my view, would be the best choice...her pick would guarantee a victory..probably of landslide proportions...

However, I don't think Obama will go that way...

Best bet in order


by SaveElmer 2008-08-03 05:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Who I want vs. Who I think

I have never bought into this Hillary makes the race a landslide.   If anything it makes is closer because it gets conservatives energized once again and back out to the polls.

by Monkei 2008-08-03 05:57AM | 0 recs
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Tom Daschel tomorrow (Monday) morning

by ObamaNation 2008-08-03 06:00AM | 0 recs
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Does Obama want to pick someone who lost his last election?  McCain could then easily trump Obama by choosing John Thune (the guy who beat Daschle) as his running-mate.  Plus, Daschle is a lobbyist now isn't he?  That wouldn't look too good, since Obama's spent his entire campaign trashing lobbyists.  Plus, he voted for the Iraq War which messes up Obama's change message.

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 06:20AM | 0 recs
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Hillary is picking Obama as her V.P. on Thursday.

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-03 06:43AM | 0 recs
by johnny longtorso 2008-08-03 08:08AM | 0 recs
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Schweitzer.  Good on the stump, reinforces the agent of change, and will help in Montana.

by Mr Sifter 2008-08-03 07:11AM | 0 recs
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I would be so excited if Schweitzer were actually picked for vp.  And it would generate some serious media buzz too, since no one outside of the political junkie set would have suspected it.

by Will Graham 2008-08-03 08:16AM | 0 recs
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Sen. Claire MaCaskill is awesome. She has a refreshing way of responding to questions, framing issues, and putting things into simple terms. I don't look at her as a VP but I hope she keeps up the great work on the networks defending Obama.

by Steve24 2008-08-03 08:14AM | 0 recs
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I hope it's Kaine.

by maconblue 2008-08-03 08:15AM | 0 recs
Since you asked...
  1. Edwards - (won't happen)
  2. Clinton - (won't happen)
  3. Biden - (hope it happens)
by demwords 2008-08-03 08:53AM | 0 recs
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What about Bloomberg?

by msw4477 2008-08-03 09:22AM | 0 recs

Why does she KEEP mentioning Chet Edwards?  She mentioned him again  today on one of the Sunday shows.  What is her angle?  l I emphatically dislike and distrust her- so whoever she recommends freaks me out.

I think any choice other than Clinton will see no polling bounce for Obama.  Some will keep him the same, some could lower him.  Only Clinton can boost him (just my opinion).  

I don't think he'll pick her though- I think he needs someone he can have in his back pocket.  Just my take.

by easyE 2008-08-03 09:54AM | 0 recs
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I think it will be anybody BUT a sitting or former senator. My guess would be a Representative or Governor, or military person. I really don't think it will be somebody on these "short lists" that are floating around The Obama campaign is known for being close-knit and secretive. I really think these lists are the campaigns way of getting feed back on potential running mates.

When kaine's name was floated I thought right then that excluded him. Just Kaine's team acknowledging that he was being considered excluded him. It shows where their loyalties are and it's not with the Obama campaign but with the person being veeted.

He's already excluded my first choice Max Cleland.

by mtndewrob 2008-08-03 10:28AM | 0 recs
The message is not getting out?

Why can't the Dems articulate the facts about offshore drilling?  The oil companies' claim they are not drilling on the lands and an offshore lease they now have is because they don't have the equipment but they need more leases not to drill on, and that any oil derived from lifting the ban would be ten years down the road.

by thenurse 2008-08-03 10:40AM | 0 recs


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