Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

While I understand why John McCain might want to emulate some aspects of Hillary Clinton's primary campaign -- she did, after all, come in a strong second place, having inspired almost 18 million votes and a hugely passionate base of support -- one does question the wisdom of some of the messaging team McCain is using against Obama that's right out of the Clinton playbook, messaging that did not work.

As we saw in McCain's "high gas prices are your fault!" ad yesterday, McCain has a go at mocking Obama's "hope" rhetoric, as Clinton had done, with the line at the end:

Don't hope for more energy, vote for it.

At least Hillary Clinton mocked Barack's hope mongering in contrast to her results-oriented persona -- in the clouds idealist vs. grounded realist. McCain is making no such case.

Now today we see John McCain trying another Clinton tactic -- mocking Barack Obama as a media darling (umm, pot meet kettle much?) Check out this web ad, which, while somewhat amusing, I think actually ends up reinforcing the positive image of Barack, rather than mocking it.

Not to mention that when Hillary Clinton mocked the media's love affair with Barack she actually had a case to make that she was getting the short end of the media stick. That's hardly the case for John McCain. As Greg Sargent says, "McCain is no stranger to media adulation."

Considering Steve Schmidt was so effective at shepherding Bush and Schwarzenegger to re-election during the past two cycles, I'm actually quite surprised at how hapless and flailing McCain 2.0 continues to be.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, John McCain (all tags)

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Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

Hillary's suggestion that Obama might like an extra pillow was a much better attack than anything that is being mounted by McCain's campaign.  

I don't know whether they have something up their sleeves with all of this nonsense, or they really believe that they can continue to fool all of the people all of the time.

by Susan from 29 2008-07-22 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

That was SNL, not the Hillary campaign...

Right now, tha McSame strategy is throw feces at the wall and see what sticks....

by LordMike 2008-07-22 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

It was actually Hillary referencing SNL during one of the debates.

by Babloo328 2008-07-22 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

Wasn't that the infamous ABC debate that included the earth-shaking discussion of Obama's choice of lapel jewelry?

by Susan from 29 2008-07-22 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

No the Ohio debates

by jsfox 2008-07-22 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

The Republicans are fumbling the ball and the coaches are yelling conflicting things from the sidelines:


McCain is attacking too much and indiscriminately. The barrage undermines his brand, takes time away from telling voters what he might do for them, and looks awfully old-timey in a year when voters want a new brand. He should go on the offensive, yes, but in targeted forays.

There is a debate in Republican politics--and inside the McCain campaign--about what's plaguing the GOP contender. A central question is just how much time McCain should spend attacking his opponent. Rich Lowry and Ramesh Ponnuru in the National Review argue that he needs to get more aggressive in raising doubts about Obama, whose advantages put him in a position, they fear, to run away with the race. Other longtime McCain allies argue for an almost opposite approach. One suggested McCain ignore Obama for a month so that McCain can spend time explaining to voters where he'd like to take the country.

John Dickerson - McCain's Unhappy Warrior Slate 22 Jul 08

And the surge?  This one compelling foreign policy argument left, according to his supporters?:


McCain keeps boasting about being "right" about the "surge" and saying Obama was "wrong."

Look, it is more important that McCain was consistently wrong.  He was wrong about the desirability of going to war against Iraq.  He was wrong about it being a cakewalk.  He was wrong about there being WMD there.  He was wrong about everything.  And he was wrong about the troop escalation making things better.  The casualty figures dropped in al-Anbar, where few extra US troops were ever sent.  They dropped in Basra, from which the British withdrew.  Something happened.  Putting it all on 30,000 extra troops seems a stretch.  And what about all the ethnic cleansing and displacing of persons that took place under the nose of the "surge?"  McCain has been wrong about everything to do with Iraq.  And he is boasting about his wisdom on it!

Juan Cole - Troop Agreement Misses Deadline; Provincial Law Misses Deadline; Bombings in Mosul, Diyala, Fallujah Informed Comment 22 Jul 08

Hmmm...  And now that he's attacking the media, well...  We saw, as Todd points out, how that worked out for Hillary.  Praise the Lord and pass the voter registration forms.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-22 04:53PM | 0 recs
Oh, dear God!

Washington Post:

OBAMA: "Well, let me -- let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain government -- administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change."

But, but, but....words matter (don't they?)  

Oh, except when Barack Obama is butchering them.

He's worse than George W. Bush when he doesn't have a teleprompter.

by Shazone 2008-07-22 04:54PM | 0 recs
Bring in the trolls

There are many misstatements and missteps by both Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama.

The difference between them and your darling W. is that behind their mistakes is heart, character, and intelligence.

by iohs2008 2008-07-22 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, dear God!

OMG...OMG...We are DOooooOOmed!!...Obama is done, he should just pack up from Israel right now and come home and drop out...His trip has been a travesty...cut his losses right now....He's so Doooooo00oOOmed!!

Did I mention the sky is falling?

by hootie4170 2008-07-22 05:36PM | 0 recs
LOLZ

HE SED IZRALE WHEN HE MENT UNITED STATEZ.  OMG LOLZ.  WORST GAF EVAR!!1!

by JJE 2008-07-22 06:46PM | 0 recs
You could argue it didn't work for Hillary

After all, most consider Obama's victory an upset.

So with a less than stellar result, why repeat it? People didn't fall for it once, they aren't going to buy it again.

by iohs2008 2008-07-22 05:26PM | 0 recs
Hillary lost becasue of tactical errors

She lost becasue she didn't apologize for her war vote and she lost becausee they didn't contest the February caucuses. If she had apologized for the war...Obama would not have gained much traction.  If she had contested the caucuses in which he gained his entire 130-140 pledged delegate lead he would never had the ability to wrest the superdelelgates from her.  They would have been too close...and the delegates would have stayed frozen till the end or gone to her or to him evenly still utting her ahead.  Those were the 2 fundamental reasons...The reasons were fundamentally tactical errors on her part....not how she campaigned against him.  She lostmuch more than he won.    

After March 4th she won more votes than he did and more delegates.

Her attacks after that point did have an effect...

However she is a better campaigner than John McCain so in that regard Barack is in luck....

by debcoop 2008-07-22 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

That web ad is hilarious! HAHAHAHAHA!

Although the protion of the clip in the air is .... undefineable...

by Liberty 2008-07-22 06:13PM | 0 recs
That highest glass ceiling.

Senility should be no barrier to the presidency!

by Bush Bites 2008-07-22 07:24PM | 0 recs
Nothing wrong with the ad.

I think it's a good ad.  What's wrong with it?

Oh, it's probably the "paid for by John McCain" stuff at the end.  That's a mistake.  This is an ad FOR Obama, not against him, right?  Right?

I think SOMEONE's a little upset that his base has turned toward his opponent. (:

by mauro7inf 2008-07-22 10:41PM | 0 recs
The song will be in my head all day

Your just too good to be truuuuu.

by parahammer 2008-07-23 12:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

How pathetic that even recent Obama converts can't defend their hero without sideswiping Hillary.  

Of course it's all a deadly bore without her.

**A

by adrienne4dean 2008-07-23 01:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

Truly pathetic that you can't say ANYTHING without sideswiping OUR NOMINEE.

BTW...if your username is referencing the good governor..please change it.

by lojasmo 2008-08-20 11:50PM | 0 recs
McCain knows That Hillary won

McCain knows how ridiculous Democratic primaries were:

  1. He knows she won popular vote if you count Michigan.
  2. He knows that she got MORE than 18 millions votes if you count MI, IA, NV, ME, WA.
  3. He knows that Obama got huge help from RBC, who stole votes from Hillary in FL and MI.
  4. He knows that supers suddenly switch to Obama and he knows that there is no such thing in General election.
  5. He knows that Obama "delegates" came from caucuses (mostly from red states) and there is no such thing in General election
  6. He knows that in many states where Obama "won" it was only because of racially motivated vote for blacks and he knows that in many of these states he will win, like in GA:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/georgia.html
in LA:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/la/louisiana_mccain_vs_ob ama-606.html
in MS:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/ms/mississippi_mccain_vs_ obama-612.html
in NC:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/nc/north_carolina_mccain_ vs_obama-334.html
in AL:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/al/08-al-p res-ge-mvo.php
in SC:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/sc/08-sc-p res-ge-mvo.php
and even in MO:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/mo/08-mo-p res-ge-mvo.php
  1. He knows that he got excellent chances in Hillaryland states, like TN, KY, WV, AS, OH, PA, IN, NH
  2. In short he knows that Hillary won and he will benefit from reusing some of her arsenal.

What is most funny, that in "democratic" year Obama still tied to GOP candidate:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/daily_presidential_trackin g_poll

and reason is because Obama did not win primaries:
their was stolen from Hillary.

by engels 2008-07-23 03:20AM | 0 recs
Obama and Clinton TIED in primary wins

18:18 you race-baiting puma douchebag.

by lojasmo 2008-08-21 12:07AM | 0 recs
Here's the difference

Hillary won more votes and-in the electoral college system- OR the Republican winner take-all system- she would have won.  Due to Florida/Michigan's disenfranchisement PLUS the Democratic Antiquated "Caucus" system- Obama was able to win.  Plus the DNC's ludicrous ruling at the RBC meeting.   Even though the Repubs are generally corrupt and ruthless- they have nothing on the DNC (at least this year's DNC).  So- maybe McCain is really on to something genius!!!! Evil Genius!

by easyE 2008-07-23 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Someone Should Tell McCain That Hillary Lost

Umm..pot calling kettle black much?

Good point and if McCain or  the ledia want to bring that up, they're setting themselves up.

by spirowasright 2008-07-23 08:11AM | 0 recs
Hillary's message and strategy was a huge winner

from the beginning of March to the end of the primary. She won decisively. It was only the February caucuses that did her in.

McCain will not be able to borrow her message of working for the working-class. He can borrow her attacks which are standard boilerplate attacks. He will go after Obama's experience because it's an obvious issue.

by mmorang 2008-07-23 09:53AM | 0 recs

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