Senator McCain Can't Decide If We're Winning Or Losing In Iraq

John McCain has boxed himself in on Iraq on at least 2 counts. First of all, putting aside for a moment the lack of a definition of victory, are his two differing pronouncements of what happens when we achieve it: 1. we stay for a hundred or more years because the fatalities will have ceased, or 2. we withdraw -- "as they stand up we stand down"& "conditions-based withdrawal" and all that. Two completely different results from presumably the same situation.

McCain is finding a similar paradox when speaking about the current situation on the ground in Iraq. On one hand, he must continue to frame Obama's withdrawal position as surrender, as he did today in an offensive repetition of a new McCain talking point trotted out by McCain's foreign policy aide Randy Scheunemann last week.

"Senator McCain said he would rather lose an election than lose a war and see the nation lose a war.

"Senator Obama seems to think losing a war will help him win an election."

But on the other hand John McCain has been insistent that we're winning now thanks to the surge, as he did at a townhall in New Hampshire today.

"The fact is that everybody recognizes, including Prime Minister Maliki, that we have to have conditions-based withdrawal, and we all -- we are gonna withdraw," McCain said. "We will withdraw. The fact is, is whether we withdraw in victory or whether we withdraw in defeat. And again, you and I have different versions. We have succeeded. The Sadr City is safe. Mosul is safe. Basra is safe. The people of Iraq, and I've been there, are now leading normal lives."

So, which is it, Senator? Where is this so-called defeat he keeps accusing Obama of and if he's so withdrawal-y, how can Obama's redeployment be surrender?

John McCain: very very confused.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Iraq, John McCain (all tags)



Re: Senator McCain Can't Decide If We're Winning O

You're comparing a foreign policy aide's words with McCain's words and frankly I don't like that. I will take McCain's words over an aide.

Speaking of Iraq. Can someone please help me understand Obama's position on the surge. His latest comments are dumbfounding.

by RJEvans 2008-07-22 06:09PM | 0 recs
McCain repeated those

words twice today.

by Blazers Edge 2008-07-22 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator McCain Can't Decide If We're Winning O

Check out Hootie's diary, McCain just stuck his foot in his mouth and bit it off at the ankle.  All by himself.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-22 06:23PM | 0 recs
His latest comments are dumbfounding.

Only if you're dumb.

by Beren 2008-07-22 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: His latest comments are dumbfounding.

Well thank you, Beren I did not know people like yourself indulge in ignorance when it comes to personal opinions. Do yourself a favor and...

by RJEvans 2008-07-22 08:47PM | 0 recs
Re: His latest comments are dumbfounding.

I trust you'll think long and hard enough to understand the sense Obama makes even it it takes you to the end of his second term.

by Beren 2008-07-22 09:39PM | 0 recs
I can't believe how McCain

keeps misrepresenting Maliki and getting away with it.

by Neef 2008-07-22 06:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I can't believe how McCain

I'm not so sure 'getting away with it' is going to be the historical perspective on this last few days.  Kinda' like saying the Titanic successfully berthed at the bottom of the North Atlantic.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-22 06:27PM | 0 recs
I hope you're right

but I haven't seen a journalist call him on it yet.

by Neef 2008-07-23 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: I hope you're right

Well Captain Smith didn't realise he was sinking either at first.  I'm guessing the sum of MacCain's gaffes on foreign policy in the past week will be fatal, we'll see.  It's hard to underestimate our national media, as you have noted.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-07-23 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator McCain Can't Decide

Those who shun Countdown missed a good one tonight.......

in his interview with CBS McCain made an incredible gaffe -- he claimed the awakening of the Sunni Iraqis was the result of the Surge, even though the Sunnis started cooperating nearly half a year before the Surge began. CBS was kind enough to edit McCain's mistake out of the interview...

by Beren 2008-07-22 06:37PM | 0 recs
Re: The $75,000 Question

Someone needs to ask McCain this question.  Since he thinks were winning, why does he insist on staying there indefinitely?  Obama is mopping the floor with McCain this week.  McCain isn't helping things out by cruising around with the Senior Bush.

by nzubechukwu 2008-07-22 06:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Senator McCain Can't Decide If We're Winning
He'd better make up his mind, since he's said that "winning" in Iraq will pay for balancing the budget by the end of his first term.
by skohayes 2008-07-23 02:46AM | 0 recs


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