BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Posted in the last five minutes:

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.

Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party.

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

Update [2008-6-3 13:51:35 by Josh Orton]: This story is whipping around Blackberries across the country. Hillary's campaign is trying to thread a needle between acknowledging this reality and not "conceding" to try to preserve some sort of leverage with the Obama campaign. But there are a lot of hours between now and the moment Hillary Clinton has to step on stage in New York, during which time more supers will come out for Obama (there's already a flood today and this story gives them more cover) and she'll likely lose two states. The 'leverage' she was hoping to preserve before conceding has started leaking out a large hole at the bottom of the bucket.

Tags: Barack Obama, Election 08, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

249 Comments

The GE is on.

It's time for Democrats to rally around our nominee the way the Republicans have rallied around theirs.

by Firewall 2008-06-03 09:37AM | 0 recs
Actually

Considering McCain is loathed by large fractions of the Republican coalition lets aim a bit higher than that, eh? ;)

by Purplepeople 2008-06-03 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: The GE is on.

Bravo. Finally this pretended contest, that Hillary had a chance, is at an end. She never did and should have conceded a month ago. Instead, we are late into the general election, allowing McCain a head start.

However, if the Democrats ever permit McCain the ability to shake off his Bush credentials, we deserve to lose.

by shergald 2008-06-03 10:09AM | 0 recs
Sneering is a great

healing process.

by aggieric 2008-06-03 10:13AM | 0 recs
Really, I came here to say "Congrats"

but forget it. What makes these bots so insufferably rude? They are physically incapable of being, well, just nice about anything.

If that's their attitude I have nothing nice to say either.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-06-03 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Really, I came here to say "Con

don't let others control your behavior. Do what you think is appropriate, period!

by Metrobot 2008-06-03 10:30AM | 0 recs
Well, I don't feel it's appropriate

to reward churlish behavior. How someone wins often says more than how one loses. My vague negativity toward the Obama campaign is always being reinforced by the behavior I see exhibited by his supporters.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-06-03 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Well, I don't feel it's appropriate

you are just giving a few online wackjobs way more power than they deserve...that's all.

Today's gonna be historic for lots of reasons. My little primary wish is that we can all observe and acknowledge it in our own way without letting ourselves get distracted unnecessarily.

by Metrobot 2008-06-03 10:41AM | 0 recs
You forgot the words "illegitimate and

brokered" nominee

by suzieg 2008-06-03 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Really,

Please do not characterize every Obama supporter as behaving in the same way.

Also, please refrain from using terms like "bots."

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:35AM | 0 recs
Please don't tell me what I can and cannot do...

I am quite old enough to make those decisions myself.

I seldom use the term "bots" even though I often think it when behavior I see exhibited leads to that conclusion.

The Obama supporters I know in real life, my family, neighbors, children are not the obnoxious jerks I've run into on line-thank God-but they also seem blithley unaware of his shortcomings and lack of actual progressive credentials. I see so little he has actually accomplished and know how woefully inadequate lofty rhetoric is against Republican attacks.

Anyway, you guys are not running the world yet so I still have the right to speak as I wish.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-06-03 12:37PM | 0 recs
Don't mistake a handful of jerks

for the whole group of Obama-supporting mydd members. There are some immature jackholes, of course, and some mostly reasonable people who occasionally get carried away, and some perfectly congenial folks. Just like among the Clinton supporters.

by kydoc2 2008-06-03 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Really, I came...

you expect grace when you yourself are "insufferably" rude by calling supporters of Obama "bots"?

hopefully and finally now, we can move on from petty b.s. on two candidates that are eerily similar and get back to what matters in this nation of ours.

by alex100 2008-06-03 10:42AM | 0 recs
graceful winners!


WARNING
BY TAYLOR MARSH

Children. Thugs. Abusive infants. No offense to either children, infants or thugs intended.

Who am I describing? The Obamabots who continue to send me vile, profane, but also threatening emails. So you're all on notice. Personal threats will be turned over to the police, and since we have your IP and other information it won't be hard to do. Threatening me with a petition to have my convention credentials pulled is also being reported.

Consider this a warning.

Threats will be reported.

So if this is Mr. Hope's idea of promoting "unity," count me out.

by suzieg 2008-06-03 03:15PM | 0 recs
Never had a chance?

She started out with great name recognition and a solid superdelegate lead.  Her biggest mistake was hiring Mark Penn.  Her second biggest mistake was not firing him sooner.  If she had actually dumped some real effort into the caucus states and planned beyond super tuesday... this might have been a very different race.

Of course, I am an Obama supporter and am happy with the outcome, but this was never a cake-walk or a sure thing for him.  Clinton is one hell of a campaigner and could have won this if not for a few key strategic blunders.

Peace.

by protothad 2008-06-03 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Never had a chance?

Most of her blunders can actually be grouped under the heading of irrational right wing attacks (against Obama). When Hillary joined McCain, it was the beginning of her downfall. In fact, at one point she went to the right of McCain on foreign policy, and scared the hell out most Democrats. Iraq is one thing, but bombing Iran is quite another. Most people are sick of the Neocons and what they have done to our country, and to she a major Democratic candidate follow suit was just too much.

Bye Hillary.

by shergald 2008-06-05 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: The GE is on.

Apparently the add-on delegates are an important part of their calculation.....I'm not sure the technicalities, but I think it's a done deal.

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 10:15AM | 0 recs
Seize the Moment guys!

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 10:16AM | 0 recs
"the way the Republicans have rallied"

Hehehe, good joke! Let's hope such a lame kind of rally is good enough to win the GE...

by Gray 2008-06-03 11:06AM | 0 recs
I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

Cool news though.  Time to start fighting over who hates McCain more!

by thezzyzx 2008-06-03 09:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

Good one!!!    ;-)

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2008-06-03 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

try your hand at the contest about the environment, between mccain and an old withered carrot we found in our fridge. seriously.  its more competitive than you think.

by Trey Rentz 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

I agree...This is no longer about "teams" within the Democratic Party.  This is about assuring that McCain does not:  get a chance to pack the court; bomb Iran; further open the spigot for big corporate lobbyists; further diminishes Constitutional rights and liberties; further set the economy aflame, etc. etc.

This is NOT about who was mean to whom on either "side" or who's the bigger asshole.  There's an awful lot of work to do.  I look forward to working with folks supporting both candidates to do this essential work.  Our lives and those of our children depend upon it.  Mightily.

by mayan 2008-06-03 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

right on mayan.  Are you the same mayan I used to read at Zogby forums?  

by haystax calhoun 2008-06-03 11:19AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

you would be correct, haystax!!

by mayan 2008-06-03 12:03PM | 0 recs
Re: I guess I'll delete my diary then ;)

nice to see you here!

by haystax calhoun 2008-06-03 01:02PM | 0 recs
Can we?

Can we let it be?  

by PantsB 2008-06-03 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Can we?

I'm ignoring this until tonight at least.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 10:09AM | 0 recs
Please Hillary, do the right thing n/t

by sneakers563 2008-06-03 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Please Hillary, do the right thing n/t

She will. She's a good American.

by Mandoliniment 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
An historic thing, very cool

by Slim Tyranny 2008-06-03 09:38AM | 0 recs
OT

I've always wondered why 'historic' is preceded by 'an' instead of the 'a' that usually accompanies words that begin in consonant. Anyone know why this is?  Are we supposed to pronounce historic in a cockney dialect?

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-06-03 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

"I've always wondered why 'historic' is preceded by 'an' instead of the 'a' that usually accompanies words that begin in consonant. Anyone know why this is?  Are we supposed to pronounce historic in a cockney dialect?"

Well 'course it's pronounced 'istoric. 'ow would you pronounce it, govnor?

by fugazi 2008-06-03 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

'elp 'elp.  Me 'ouse is on fiah.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

Cause it often "sounds" like a vowel.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

'ello, 'ow 'are 'ou?  Want to go to 'artford?  Get out of this 'ell 'ole.

by mistersite 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

Mojo'd for Corky St. Clair.

by Koan 2008-06-03 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

It happens the other way to. You'd never say "an unicycle".

by fwiffo3 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

Do you say 'a hour' or 'an hour'?

:)

by Kysen 2008-06-03 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: OT

Well, in that case, "hour" starts with a vowel sound.

by nwodtuhs 2008-06-03 09:56AM | 0 recs
Do you say

"a happy face" or "an happy face"?

There are two kinds of "h"s.  In French thay call them "h aspiré" and "h muet" even though they don't pronounce "h"s at all.  The first kind is considered a consonant, the second a vowel.

by corph 2008-06-03 10:03AM | 0 recs
by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-06-03 11:36AM | 0 recs
Congratulations Democrats!!!!

Now its on the the General election.

Mcshame is toast!!!

by Silence Do Good 2008-06-03 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

I am very proud of my country and my party today.

by fugazi 2008-06-03 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

For the first time?

by gaf 2008-06-03 09:52AM | 0 recs
Do you have a point

or are insults the only thing left in your quiver?

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

FOR THE LAST TIME UNLESS THIS sstttrrroookkkeee stops attac...

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

KNIIIIIIFE EYYYYYEEE ATTTTAAAAACCKK!!!

Lol. If you get that joke, you are awesome.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

I just knew the Ghost Wizard was actually going to use the Knife Eye Attack.

by mistersite 2008-06-03 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Congratulations Democrats!!!!

I literally laughed until my face hurt when he did :D

You are awesome.

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

But didn't alegre say we still have hope? Alegre help!!!

by Hillarywillwin 2008-06-03 09:39AM | 0 recs
Please stop with the personal

attacks on alegre.  She was a strong advocate for her candidate.  Please celebrate the good in Obama's nomination.  Don't embarass youself by acting like a jerk.

by TomP 2008-06-03 10:04AM | 0 recs
actually I am

interested in seeing what she has to say. Wasn't a personal attack. I really want to hear what Alegre has to say on this one.

by Hillarywillwin 2008-06-03 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: actually I am

Then you could have just said "I really want to hear what Algere has to say."

Your first comment was needlessly snarky and insulting.

by Angry White Democrat 2008-06-03 10:23AM | 0 recs
Much more importantly....

What will Jerome say? Time for him to step it up and say something positive about our newly minted nominee.

by wasder 2008-06-03 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Much more importantly....

i've been harsh on jerome. To the point that he should probably have banned me over some other people.

but, I do like that Jerome has been AWOL on this matter. He put a lot of himself into supporting Hillary. When and if he's ready, he'll come out and be a strong advocate for Obama.

by alex100 2008-06-03 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Much more importantly....

I agree that he has put himself pretty far out on a limb for Hillary and as such should be given a little while for the grieving process, much like any other Clinton supporter. But pretty soon he will have to step up or forfeit his relevance in the GE.

by wasder 2008-06-03 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: actually I am

I expect it will be something like this: Breaking: Obama is Not the Official Nominee.  Here's hoping it's not...

by username 2008-06-03 10:42AM | 0 recs
alegre approvingly quoted a crank

saying bigoted things.

How does the Dem coalition deal with people who made it clear that they are bigoted against African-Americans?

Is it right to welcome them back into the fold with no contrition or loss of status?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-06-03 10:15AM | 0 recs
You're right....

you can afford to only want voters that pass the Obama supporter racial sensitivity test. You should all continue to make crazy demands of, antagonize and berate Clinton supporters so that you'll have more to complain about when McCain wins. Great plan.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-06-03 10:29AM | 0 recs
We don't need racists.

Non-racists are welcome.

by Firewall 2008-06-03 10:33AM | 0 recs
Who is administering the "purity" test?

Who decides if a voter sufficiently worships at the altar of Obama? As far as I can tell, anyone not always for Obama is a racist by default-not sure there's enough "pure" voters to let Obama actually win the GE.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-06-03 12:40PM | 0 recs
Let go of it, Carl.

Today people are celebrating hope and overcoming.

Leave alegre alone.

She is not a bigot.

by TomP 2008-06-03 10:38AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

WOWOWOWOWOWOWWWWW!!!!!!

Cheers to all the hardwork everyone's put in, and condolences to Clinton supporters.....hopefully we'll all be celebarting together in November!

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

OBAMARAMA

Time to move on to the next round of the struggle.

Why not throw Obama some love today?  Or order a sticker or sign or two?

http://store.barackobama.com/

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/cont ribute/dt2std?source=mainnav

w00t

by Lawyerish 2008-06-03 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

YES YES YES YES YES

by Pat Flatley 2008-06-03 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

United we win!

by kitebro 2008-06-03 09:42AM | 0 recs
Yaaaaay!

Yaaaaaay!

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Congratulations to Obama and his supporters.  They ran one of the best organized grassroots primary campaigns in history and managed a huge upset against a tough competitor.

Here's to hoping the Clintons and Obamas can join together to move the progressive agenda forward in this country.

by evantakesall 2008-06-03 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Yeah, this whole thing really was just about campaign orginization and execution.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

As a former Clinton supporter who switched to Obama, I salute our Democratic candidates and their supporters.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

I'm an Obama supporter, but tonight will bring relief, not elation.  I'm more than ready to take the fight to the real enemy.

by CA Pol Junkie 2008-06-03 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

HEAR, HEAR!

Fine distinction, which I echo wholeheartedly. The sooner we get all guns pointed at Grampy McSame, the better.

We got thousands of lives to save!  

by xodus1914 2008-06-03 10:06AM | 0 recs
Obama/Press lies?

More than a dozen 'Private committments'?

Guys, how many times does Obama get to mislead you with the help of the press before you learn your lesson.

This is no different than what Bush was doing with the WMD stories. We have seen him do this throughout the campaign with bogus reports of superdelegates counts that never materialized.

by Caliman 2008-06-03 09:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

The AP didn't rely on the Obama campaign to get private super endorsements....it can call them to verify.

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

did they call clinton to verify before they announced she would concede tonite?

by doberman pinche 2008-06-03 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

No, they got that from a campaign staffer.

Obviously she wouldn't confirm it while voting is still going on.....that's be insane.

It's not rocket science, folks.

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Must be the secret Muslim operatives in the MSM.

I am pretty sure America will not endorse the vile bigoted hatred towards white people that Obama is associated with for his entire adult life.

We are better than that. We are better than Obama, his (never before proud of America) wife and his close (terrorist) friends and (hate America and whitey) advisors.

Yeah, get out.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Nice catch.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 09:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

I stand by every word of that. My decades long committment to liberal values are not going to be put aside for the benefit of bigoted blacks.  

We are better than that as a nation. We really are better than Obama and his buddies.

by Caliman 2008-06-03 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Yeah!  They should know their place!!!

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

There is no 'place' in the white house for bigots.

Even black ones.

by Caliman 2008-06-03 10:41AM | 0 recs
There is no place..

on this blog for closet Republicans, either.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

a song for you..Calimon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgWQ1erBn Mo

by nogo postal 2008-06-03 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Learn to read, the private commitments were tallied by the AP.  Obama and his campaign have nothing to do with it, they talked to the superdelegates themselves.

by matchles 2008-06-03 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

so these are unpledged superdelegates who told the AP how they would vote but then asked them to keep it a secret?

by doberman pinche 2008-06-03 09:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Or to embargo their names until they or the campaign decided to announce it.

by mistersite 2008-06-03 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

That's called saying something "off the record."

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Or, in some cases, "not for attribution."

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

oh i see. interesting, thanks.

by doberman pinche 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
SD's looking for the easy way out

The Supers wanted Hillary to make it easy for them and concede. The last thing they wanted was to have to make a public stand that might cost them votes from one side or the other.

Telling AP privately not to use their names but having them declare Barack the winner gives them cover to say they waited until there was a clear winner they are just uniting with the party behind the nominee. Like having your cake and eating it to. They get to climb on the bandwagon without pissing anyone off.

by hankg 2008-06-03 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Or, "You didn't hear this from me, but..."

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Can the mods get rid of this guy. His signature and the link it provides is blatantly offensive and is against any semblance of progressive ideals.

by PSUdan 2008-06-03 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

I think you need your snarkometer recalibrated.

Not to whore my own blog, but you could also compare the post in my signature to... pretty much any other post I've written. Well, except these.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-03 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

All I need to know is that you are a drummer.  Those guys are animals!  You're not a drummer, are you?  Think carefully...

by futbol dad 2008-06-03 12:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?
by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-06-04 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Very good!  But I was thinking more along the lines of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cEPydnb0 Ns

I don't know how to imbed like you did!

by futbol dad 2008-06-04 07:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

As soon as we invade Denver based on bad intel at the cost of more than 4,000 Americans and half a trillion dollars - your metaphor will have some validity.

But not until then.

by zonk 2008-06-03 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama/Press lies?

Guys, how many times does Obama get to mislead you with the help of the press before you learn your lesson.

This is no different than what Bush was doing with the WMD stories.

Really? press reports about superdelegates that Obama denied have killed a million people?

Gee, you don't have your priorities completely out of whack or anything.

(In case my subtlety slides over you: You should be ashamed of yourself. And I mean that ashamed. Not embarrassed. Ashamed.)

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Que: "It's not over!"  "No one has voted" "The media is sexist" "The media is in for Obama" and all the other narratives that the Clinton camp is still spinning, despite the fact that it IS over and they will at this point, most certainly hurt Obama in the GE.  

I was so hopeful at the beginning of this campaign.  Now the good part (the GE) is going and I just feel like taking a nap.

by proseandpromise 2008-06-03 09:45AM | 0 recs
I'm an Obama supporter...

...and I think I'll wait until the private commitments become public before I get my groove on.

by turnover 2008-06-03 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm an Obama supporter...

agreed.  His site still shows "33" to go.

by asherrem 2008-06-03 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm an Obama supporter...

South Dakota and Montana will give Obama about 17 delegates.  5 Montana supers will go to the winner there (almost certainly Obama), so only 11 or so others are needed today.

by CA Pol Junkie 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm an Obama supporter...

Now its "31.5"

by asherrem 2008-06-03 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

"exposed" is not the correct word.

I'll hold congratulations until I see word from Clinton.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

AP couldn't wait, they wanted to be the 1st to break the obvious....

by nzubechukwu 2008-06-03 09:46AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

First of all, nothing is clenched until one of two things happens: either Sen. Clinton conceeds or the ballots are cast in Denver. This is a stunt that reeks of political calculation. Who are the 30 Super D's that apparently have endorsed Obama in the past hour?

by Misty Mountain Maggie 2008-06-03 09:48AM | 0 recs
Keep telling yourself that.

I'm sure Huckabee and Romney said the same once McCain clinched the nomination on Feb 5th.

In the meantime, the Democratic party will move on with our nominee. His name is Barack Obama!!!

by Firewall 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
To be fair...

McCain's delegates are all pledged delegates.  Obama's total includes superdelegates that could change their minds before the convention.

They won't though, and yes, our nominee is Barack Obama and it is good.

by sneakers563 2008-06-03 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

They are coming thick and fast today - about 10 already.

by interestedbystander 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

This has nothing to do with what Clinton does.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Yes!

We're coming at you John McCain.

by Beekeeper 2008-06-03 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination
Gracious in victory, eh?
Lame.
by deepee 2008-06-03 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Quick! Time to switch to pandering to independents! There's not a moment to lose!

I already got the warm, fuzzy feeling (so that's what hope feels like) when he won the WI primary.  Ever since it's just been a matter of time for me.

by SummertimeDissent 2008-06-03 09:49AM | 0 recs
Makes me feel like this:

I wanna walk up the side of the mountain.
I wanna walk down the other side of the mountain.
I wanna swim in the river and lie in the sun.
I wanna try and be nice to everyone....

emPHAsis on last line.  ;)

by Kysen 2008-06-03 09:50AM | 0 recs
More than unfortunate

comment.  

Thank you, Clinton supporters for your dedication to the Democratic process and your candidate.  

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

I feel like we're watching a boxing match between two heavyweight champions that's gone right into the twenty-fifth round, and one has just lost on a TKO.

This has easily been the longest primary season in history.  We have two strong contenders, and as much as I've been agonizingly frustrated by it, I'm forced to admire Senator Clinton's tenacity.  I'm pretty sure Senator Obama would not have fought as long or as hard, had their positions been reversed.  I hope that Senator Clinton has a place, either in the Senate or in the next administration, where she can put her talents to use.

I hope we can put the ugliness of the primary behind us as quickly as possible and coalesce behind the goal of installing Senator Obama as the next President and keeping the Straight Talk Express in the shop.

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

There's no need to hope that she has a place in the Senate. She has one. It's no consolation prize. It can be as much as she wants to make it.

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Not exactly what I meant.  I hope that she has a place where she can use her talents, whether that be in the Senate (as, say... Majority Leader) or in the administration (in the Cabinet).

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 10:26AM | 0 recs
I gotcha

I just like to remind people that being a United States Senator with a national following, a huge fund-raising/actiivist network and a high-media profile is not exactly the ash-heap of history.

From my point of view, she has the opportunity to use that Senate seat for all the things she didn't use it for during the Bush years: Leadership, passion, and making things better for the country.

by BlueinColorado 2008-06-03 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Don't listen to this guy Clinton supporters. He is a McSame jerk trying to stir up trouble!

True Obama supporters support the Deomocratic ideals, this guy is a troll

by alectimmerman 2008-06-03 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

At least this AP article isn't quoting any Clinton campaign people... because we know what would happen next...

I hereby forbid the AP from printing a retraction.

Please just be over...  

by CanuckinMA 2008-06-03 09:52AM | 0 recs
FINALLY!!

Hillary has that secret muslim right where she wants him ~ time to win this thing, grrl!

FIGHT ON, HILLARY!  

RUN, HILLARY, RUN!!  WE'RE WITH YOU ALL THE WAY!

/obvious sarcasm

by pholkhero 2008-06-03 09:53AM | 0 recs
Please don't do this

Please have respect for the Clinton supporters who have worked their asses off for their candidate and will vote Democratic in November.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

I agree.

Clinton and her supporters worked this. We are Democrats, pursuing an agenda that's very, very different from Bush, Cheney and McCain.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

I think i'm entitled to a little bit of gloating after all the crud they've flung all season.

You've got to give us at least ONE day to 'do this,' and rest on our laurels.  

We.  Did.  It.  Obama is the nominee.  Admit it ~ doesn't it feel nice to know all the tricks and goalpost-moving and popular vote arguments just didn't work?

by pholkhero 2008-06-03 10:03AM | 0 recs
I don't feel the least

bit entitled to show disrespect to fellow Democrats.  Maybe that's just me.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

No. Don't gloat.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:17AM | 0 recs
"entitlement" is such an

ugly place to be, don't you think?

by aggieric 2008-06-03 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: "entitlement" is such an

obviously not ~

it's a little ridiculous that i should be sad the other candidate lost rather than happy that 'my' candidate won.  Sorry.  I'm f-in hap, hap, HAPPY that HRC is NOT the dem nominee ~ i've been in the "anybody but clinton" crowd since she was the presumed front-runner, and am damn, DAMN pleased that Barack is the nominee, and nope, i won't feel sorry.  

by pholkhero 2008-06-03 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

Aye laddies and lasses, ye should!

Sorry, I still have the cockney thing going in my head from another thread.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

"Laddies and lasses" is cockney?  I don't think so.  Looks more like a brogue to me.

by mistersite 2008-06-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

Eh, other side of the pond, I don't know them all :D

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Please don't do this

I like that sentiment, although I prefer to think of us as showing respect for all Democrats.  Democrats worked hard for their chosen candidate throughout the primary, whoever that candidate was, and all should be respected.  These joint efforts could only culminate in a single general election candidate, however, that does not diminish the efforts in any way.  We all have a great deal to be proud of, as we turn to face the general.

by whognu 2008-06-03 10:04AM | 0 recs
I agree

I'm an Obama supporter -- I have my reasons to celebrate, but won't do it at the expense of fellow Democrats.

by gchaucer2 2008-06-03 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

AP hasn't exactly been on their game today. So as an Obama supporter I am going to wait to see real hard numbers and press releases.

by jsfox 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
wonderful news!!!!!

At my salon in south Florida, a shipment of funky-styled Barack tee's arrived late last week, just in time. I am giving them to the customers, at no charge and many of them (who are wearing them proudly) were Clinton supporters.

It seems that many in the real world, with the exception of the diehards, are beginning to coalesce around the democratic nominee.

Will place another order tonight...onward to Washington.

by april34fff 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
Wow

you would think the AP knows that the nominee is selected at the convention.  Guess not.

by linc 2008-06-03 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow

This must be snark.

But, whatever, this is a day to celebrate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama - and all the other candidates and supporter who put themselves out there to try to make this country better.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow

I guess we'd better get ready to fight Ron Paul and/or Mike Huckabee, then.  I mean, the Republican convention hasn't been held yet, you never know!

by BishopRook 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow

Are you really going to live in denial for the next three months?

Because the GE is on. You're getting Left Behind. Will you spend the summer trying to bribe superdelegates, or get on board helping Democrats take back the White House with our nominee?

by Firewall 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
Semantics...

Yes, they are "selected" at the convention, if they have the required number of delegates.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow

Where you bringing up this point in 2004?

by sweet potato pie 2008-06-03 10:11AM | 0 recs
My howie had dropped out and endorsed

at this point, so no.

by linc 2008-06-03 01:59PM | 0 recs
I'm proud of my country

I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity.

But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize a shameful condition.

In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check — a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children.

It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges.

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. They have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone.

As we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.

I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive.

Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair.

I say to you today, my friends, so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado!

Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California!

But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia!

Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee!

Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

We have come a long way.

by libertyleft 2008-06-03 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

Um...you just melted my cold, cynical heart.  Sniff.

by asherrem 2008-06-03 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

I can never read it, much less listen to it, without getting a bit emotional.  On a day like today, when a political party with a former history of racism (but that has been genuinely repenting and earning redemption for years) embraces a black man to give him our nomination, with victory in the general a very good prospect, the impact is even greater.

by libertyleft 2008-06-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country
Come on, your heart is neither cold not cynical!
by french imp 2008-06-03 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

Ok, you got me.  Maybe its not cold, but it is cynical.

I was sitting here all, "Nope, not going to believe it.  I want some names on a spreadsheet in triplicate before I get excited."  Then liberty posted "I Have a Dream" and I got all emotional.  

by asherrem 2008-06-03 10:18AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country
OK. Cautious maybe, but having read - and appreciated - several of your diaries I don't believe you're cynical!
by french imp 2008-06-03 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

Mojo for using the whole speech in all of its' awesomeness.

by CanuckinMA 2008-06-03 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

Although the voice echoes through my mind when I read the words, there is no substitute for listening to it one more time.

by CA Pol Junkie 2008-06-03 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

I like reading and listening.  When you listen you see how much of the massive heart of the man is invested in the speech, and how much he truly believes.

When you read it you are more awed by the simple beauty and truth of the words, it's like something directly out of the best bits of the bible.

by libertyleft 2008-06-03 11:05AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

The speech for the nominee to accept the nomination is on the 45th anniversary of this speech.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm proud of my country

How appropriate.

by libertyleft 2008-06-03 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Wow, first black candidate in American history. I feel honored to be living through this moment, it will be one we tell our kids and grandkids about.

by animated 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
nice update Josh

Just another Obama attempt to kick Clinton while she is down.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 09:58AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

Folks, Let's try to let these sorts of comments pass.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

Are you kidding? If he clinched the nomination, he clinched the nomination. Not to mention Obama does not control the AP.

by animated 2008-06-03 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

Posting an AP article stating that Obama has clinched the nomination is out of bounds?

Come on, this isn't an insult to Senator Clinton.  She ran a hard, spirited race that any other election cycle would have won her the nomination.  As it is, it looks she will come up just short.  That's an impressive accomplishment, as is the fact that Senator Obama looks to have narrowly beaten her.  Acknowledging that latter fact in no way diminishes Senator Clinton's own accomplishments.

by HSTruman 2008-06-03 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

I didn't say Josh was out of bounds. Obama is, he is leaking "private endorsements" to the AP in his ongoing attempt to buffalo this process. It is another signal of how little respect he has for Senator Clinton.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 10:23AM | 0 recs
you have no evidence of this

and are breaking the site rules by smearing a democrat with lies.  TR.

by annatopia 2008-06-03 10:30AM | 0 recs
Re: you have no evidence of this

From the site guidelines:

Candidates and politicians are fair game

Do not troll rate (rating as 1) another user's comment unless it is a comment that is an attack on another user.

Press organizations report what they are told. Someone pushed this story to the AP, it wasn't the Clinton campaign, it is reasonable to infer that it was the Obama campaign.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 10:38AM | 0 recs
I's also reasonable..

to infer that the AP just released this because they are the AP and releasing news is kinda what the AP does.

Why do people insist that everything is some kind of hidden Obama agenda?

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: I's also reasonable..

It is hardly hidden. The Obama campaign has been quite up-front in their efforts claim the nomination prematurely.

by souvarine 2008-06-03 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: I's also reasonable..

I see that you're one of the fortunate few who aren't continually hypnotized by the solid gold baby that lives in Obama's navel.  

That luminous cherub swayed the all of media, the blogosphere (save Hillaryis44 and NoQuarter - paragons of virtue), a majority voters, a plurality of states which (as it turns out) really do count after all.

Respect the golden baby, Souvarine, it's power is immeasurable.  In the meantime, be happy as a democrat.  Together, we're one step closer to defeating John Mcain and promoting the progressive values that both Hillary and Barack share.

Have a milkshake.  I promise we won't drink it.

:)

by fogiv 2008-06-03 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

The AP wouldn't just report it because the Obama campaign told them. They'd have to confirm with each actual superdelegate themselves.

by Josh Orton 2008-06-03 10:51AM | 0 recs
How dare you say she's down!

that's patently sexist!

Hillary is UP and the inevitable nominee!!!

by Al Rodgers 2008-06-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
Wow

how acerbic of you, I think I kind of like it...

by Student Guy 2008-06-03 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

The Obama campaign had nothing to do with the AP tally.  They'd rather the actual votes tonight put him over the top anyway. If you're desperate to villify Obama, I'd recommend something other than: "Obama controls the AP" You might be taken more seriously.

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: nice update Josh

Uprating for TR abuse.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 10:16AM | 0 recs
This tally is suspect.

I wouldn't call it until after polls close, the sec. of state has to revise figures.

However, yah. It was over after north carolina.
In fact, you could have called it over at my prediction about the north carolina primary.

Nevertheless, we've got a win here. Inside story is that the Clinton camp is already shutting down.

by Trey Rentz 2008-06-03 09:59AM | 0 recs
It was all over

after Wisconsin.  NC-IN was an overhyped sideshow the Clinton campaign drummed up to show she was making a nonexistant comeback.

If Clinton had won IN by 10 and squeaked out NC, it might have one or two extra days for this to be over.

by corph 2008-06-03 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

yeah,whipping around trying to suppress votes today, to avoid another embarrassing blowout (or 2). note that it says "more than a dozen private commitments" which means they are not official.

by california voter 2008-06-03 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Have you looked at a map?  He doesn't get blown out in the midwest.

by Jess81 2008-06-03 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Believe it or not, a lot of supers are not allowed to endorse until after the final votes, and many are not willing to for professional reasons or projects they are working on.

by Deadalus 2008-06-03 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Usually when you're at the end of the process, turnout is low. And this is where we are.  Anyone reading the news knows that.

Obama's magic number is now 32.5
Clinton's is 200.5

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination
Wait, Obama can still decide to retire and spend the rest of his life jet-skying with his friend John. And actually that's what's going to happen as soon as the Clinton campaign raises enough money to pay for the jet-skis.

According to private conversations I had with senior members of the Clinton campaign, they are currently negociating about the brand of jetski. It seems that 'elite' Obama and Edwards will not be happy with second-hand jetskis. All those supers endorsing Obama are just doing this to put pressure on the Clinton campaign in this negociation, as they feel that a protracted jetski deal could seriously damage the democratic nominees' chances in November. Tonight Hillary will launch a new funding campaign: Jetskis for Hillary!

Update: it seems that McCain is interested in a jetski as well.

by french imp 2008-06-03 10:27AM | 0 recs
What blowout?

Poblano:

Montana
Obama: 59.1
Clinton: 40.9

South Dakota:
Obama: 52.5
Clinton: 47.5

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Deathbed

I'm feeling exactly the same emotion as when a loved family member passes away after hanging on to life for way too long. And I know that the time will come soon to give thanks and move on.

So, now can we see the end of disgraceful spectacles like Chris Finnegan on KO last night? His comments on Clinton staffers with "no core principles" - that one? I'm sure some of them do have core principles, and I'm sure Olbermann and Finnegan understood the comment would be taken personally by people like me. This is where we are today, this minute: being kicked in the teeth by the victors, at the same time as they are saying "get up; you have to support us RIGHT NOW!"

Thom Hartmann this morning was much better; although a mild Obama supporter, he was giving generous praise to Hillary for what she has accomplished, and the ground she has broken. Also berating the "I won't vote" crowd for supporting the McCain agenda of death. That also sounds like a threat, but much more effective in the context of praise (the man is an historian and thinks like one even in the present).

by UncleDavid 2008-06-03 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Deathbed

My condolences.  I know what it's like to be on the losing side of this process, so I wish you the best.  

by thezzyzx 2008-06-03 10:14AM | 0 recs
I half agree with you.

Keith doesn't do the comedy segments well.  He giggles and says stupid things, and his guests aren't ready for prime time.  But, in my opinion, no one does righteous indignation better.  His team does quality research and he presents his scathing critiques very well.  Most of us would agree there is plenty to be righteously indignant about at the moment.

As for Clinton having "no core principles", who knows.  I would say she didn't articulate whatever principles she has very well during this campaign.  And no, "women's rights are human rights" doesn't count, that's a platitude.

  • War votes;
  • Gas tax holiday support;
  • Contradictory statements on MI and FL;
  • Convoluted answer on the drivers license question;
  • "Shame on you Barack Obama!" comments intertwined with "I am honored to be sharing this stage with Barack Obama" rhetoric;
  • Insisting Obama not only "denounce" but "reject" Louis Farakkan, no matter how flimsy the association;
  • Claiming mandates are necessary, then quibbling that Obama's plan "has a mandate too" (for minors) when he brings up the distinction;

are not only crappy campaign tactics; they show lack of adherence to any set of principles other than saying whatever might be of political advantage to you at the moment.  It's harsh to claim that she has no basic principles (other than doing whatever it takes to win), but not necessarily unfair.

by corph 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: I half agree with you.

Obama did not vote on the war; he said he did not know how he would vote when asked at the DNC.

Voted for gas tax twice in IL

Strategically removed his name from the ballot in MI

Rev. Wright chair of his faith committee; plus his new pastor who received over $1m in earmarks from Obama when he was in IL

Faux universal health care

Waffled on same  drivers' license question a week later
We could go on and on.

by LadyEagle 2008-06-03 10:31AM | 0 recs
OMG Obama's not perfect?

Wow, you just refuted my entire argument about HILLARY CLINTON not having core principles.

But since you brought it up...

1. I guess you mean voted for a gas tax repeal twice in IL.  Yeah, I remember seeing that in the news.  Don't know the circumstances, but if they're similar, well, shame on him for pandering.

2. Good for him for respecting the DNC's authority over the primary calendar.  It took guts to remove his name from the ballot like that.  He put his money where his mouth was, unlike a certain "everyone knows it won't count for anything" candidate.

3. So an offensive blowhard ran a committee of Obama's that I know nothing about.  If Obama funnelled public money to his friends that's serious, but since you didn't bother to punctuate or even look up the name of his new pastor I'm not going to take your word on that.

4. I like Clinton's plan better, but they both have flaws.  Calling it "faux" does not address any lack of principles on Obama's part.  He's not trying to deceive the public about the details of his plan, à la Bush.

5. He said he supported Spitzer's plan, even though I believe it's a mess of red tape.  Oh well.  Doesn't show a lack of principle though.

Feel free to go on, but you're not doing yourself any good.  One day you may look back and discover a more fundamental reason Hillary lost than media bias, affirmative action, misogyny or caucuses.

by corph 2008-06-03 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: I half agree with you.
Don't know why this was TR'd so given some mojo back.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-06-03 10:50AM | 0 recs
Thanks.

DailyKos has a "mojo Friday" thing where posters simply uprate the hell out of each other and post kitty pics.  Might be fun to get that going here.

by corph 2008-06-03 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: I half agree with you.

Small correction. It was probably unintentional, but you misquoted me here: "As for Clinton having "no core principles"..."

My comment, and Finnegan's, was about her (many and varied) staffers. I won't rise to the bait about Clinton herself; that just leads to a yes-she-does-no-she-doesn't, and I've had enough of that in my own home.

by UncleDavid 2008-06-03 11:38AM | 0 recs
Whoops, yeah I missed that.

I guess I was arguing a point you didn't make.  Which was pretty mild; I don't expect campaign staff to have to exhibit "core principles".  Their job is to get the candidate elected.

The candidates themselves hold the public's trust if they win, not their staff.

by corph 2008-06-04 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Deathbed

Olberman is dead to me due to the shameless way he has been acting during this primary season. For that matter so is the Daily Kos. There's no reason for me to have anything to do with either of those ever again.

But I'm a loyal Democrat and will support, donate, and vote for the Obama. Those Obama supporters who continue to act like jackasses and are dancing on Hillary's grave, you are only hurting your candidate. I found the update in the thread infact somewhere along the line of that. It's shameless, and unecessary.

by Christopher Lib 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Deathbed

I think "grave" is a little strong.  She lost the nomination but she is no where near being irrelevant to the party, just the opposite I would venture.  Ted Kennedy became TED KENNEDY after he lost his nomination fight to Carter in '80...but I am sure people were talking about his political grave then too.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:35AM | 0 recs
TR ABUSE

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I could respond in kind and unjustly rate you as a troll for merely expressing your opinion, but that would only be sinking to a level I'm not willing to go to.

by Freespeechzone 2008-06-04 09:21AM | 0 recs
thank you for your dedication

having been on the losing side of several primaries, i certainly feel your pain (no snark intended).  i sincerely hope that you will be with us in november.  thank you for working so hard for your candidate.

by annatopia 2008-06-03 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination
History in the making.
by french imp 2008-06-03 10:02AM | 0 recs
AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

AP just wanted to be first, but the problem is that these delegates have not announced publicly and until they do this story is DOA.

by venavena 2008-06-03 10:05AM | 0 recs
a downside to waiting too long to concede?

Huh.

It sorta makes sense. Once candidate A has all the delegates s/he needs to get the nomination, keeping candidate B happy isn't so important.

However, b/c of superdelegates, Obama can't control who the VP nominee will be (in theory).

by Carl Nyberg 2008-06-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
Supers will let him choose womever he wants

Enough supers will trust his judgement enough to let him pick his own running mate, I suspect.

At this point, it would take a massive superdelegate defection to give Clinton the nomination if he says, "no dice, I've got my own plans."

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

I want to send congrads to everyone on the best Primary in Democratic Party History.  We had fun, We worked hard, we made history, and we didn't rear each other up (to bad).  Looking forward to working with you all in the coming months!

by cardboard 1 2008-06-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

It's over, jack!

FINALLY. On to McCain!

by Darknesse 2008-06-03 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

I'm gonna wait til she concedes before I break out the scotch.

Or maybe the 12-year rye.

Mmmmm.

by Koan 2008-06-03 10:09AM | 0 recs
FIRED UP

READY TO GO!

I'm wearing my "One of the Million" shirt and I'm getting off work early to hit the rally in St. Paul.

I'm so enthusiastic that he's going to be able to proclaim presumptive victory tonight in the very location that McCain is going to recieve the half-hearted endorsement of his party in a few months.

I'd like to thank Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Karl Rove, Anne Coulter, Richard Mellan Scaife, and all the members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy for keeping our primary going long enough for me to witness this historic moment in person.

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: FIRED UP

Have a wonderful time and think of me here in NYC

by Ida B 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
Believe me

Speculation on how things are going in NYC will be high in my mind.

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: FIRED UP

Ugh, I am coming down with a nasty cold and trying to figure out if my body can handle standing outside in the rain for hours to get in the doors.

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 10:37AM | 0 recs
You get a pass

You get a pass if you're sick.  Student Guy doesn't, because he's not sick, he just values academic achievement over witnessing history first-hand.

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:39AM | 0 recs
Re: You get a pass

OMG my gf has a physics class first thing in the morning and she is gonna go!  

DAMN YOU STUDENT GUY!

by kasjogren 2008-06-03 11:06AM | 0 recs
Hahahahahahah

That bullshit was supposed to be "dropped" yesterday.

And you fail for linking NoQuarter.

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:13AM | 0 recs
HAH!

Those lovable NoQuarter scamps.  Comedians, all of them!

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Ah, more FUD from the racist scum at NoQuarter.

by mistersite 2008-06-03 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

You go ahead and keep beaing/crying that dead horse/wolf.

by fwiffo3 2008-06-03 10:17AM | 0 recs
NoQuarter

Larry Johnson kid of looks like Roger Clemens.

by venavena 2008-06-03 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

The type of leverage Josh refers to usually has some power behind it. Clinton's remaining power plays are (1) keep talking to superdelegates until the convention, which at best will yield marginal results, (2) waging desperate warfare re Michigan and Florida, which will yield nothing but more bitterness, or (3) making overt appeals to her supporters to reject Obama, which will ensure a November loss and condemn the Clintons forever.

I for one don't believe Clinton will put any real effort into 2 or 3. I think see will bow out graciously and give honest and powerful support to the nominee. I think her heart and soul are more attached to the progressives goals of the party than to her own ambition.

As for Obama, I strongly suspect he will praise Clinton effusively and genuinely. He will be gracious and make it easy for all but the deadest dead-enders to transfer their efforts to party as a whole.

by anoregonreader 2008-06-03 10:18AM | 0 recs
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"(1) keep talking to superdelegates until the convention, which at best will yield marginal results"

They know, at this point, once Obama is the nominee, there isn't any going back.  The get to the convention and take this away isn't an option.  You can't kill African American support for Democrats forever, even for the Clinton brand name.  It ain't going to fly and every SD out there knows that.  This is OVER!

by SpanishFly 2008-06-03 10:52AM | 0 recs
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Whatever this is, it won't sink Obama or the democrats.

by Democrat in Chicago 2008-06-03 10:18AM | 0 recs
tears of joy

oh that champs is gonna taste so sweet tonight!  i can't wait for obama's speech.

to team clinton:  thank you for testing our nominee and making us stronger.  thank you for fighting the good fight.  i hope you will be with us in november.

by annatopia 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: tears of joy

And thanks for bringing MILLIONS of new voters to the Democratic side!!!

by alectimmerman 2008-06-03 10:24AM | 0 recs
yes!

that's the biggest benefit, IMO.

by annatopia 2008-06-03 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Really great article about Hillary's historic candidacy:

"Breaking the glass ceiling"

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/060 8/10775.html

I would write a diary about it but I'm a bit lazy... anyone want to do it?

by nwodtuhs 2008-06-03 10:22AM | 0 recs
great article indeed

i can't help but feel pride in hillary's run too, even if i rarely agreed with the campaign's tactics.  she did shatter some glass even if she won't be president this time around.  

by annatopia 2008-06-03 10:39AM | 0 recs
It is typical......

It is typical for neo-cons to try and pit two disenfranchised groups against each other in a slight of hand for them to continue to count their money while we go at each other.

Well, f-them. I am sick of it. We are fighting against it all, racism, sexism, classism, orientasionism, etc.

They wanna pit clinton supporters against those sesxist Obaman's.

They wann pit Obama supporters against those racist Clintonians.

They wanna pit the struggling middle class against those "job stealing immigrants", instead of the corporate employers who take advantage of both groups.

It is time we stood up and said NO. They can't distract us from the fact that we are the party that fights racism and sexism and classism

The neo-cons want to disenfranchise all sides that we hold dear, and they don't even want to do the dirty work. They want us to do it ourselves.

For the love of love, don't let them do this.

Thanks,
Alec

by alectimmerman 2008-06-03 10:23AM | 0 recs
in AP article no numbers and specifics
they already have one blunder in a morning, it sounds like 2nd in a row. Hillary has plenty of options: FL&MI full seat, take back 4 MI delegates, take back uncommitted MI delegates, convince supers to switch and in 2 month between now and Denver a lot of things happened to Obama.
I will not be surprised if AP just hijacked by some Obama's nut
by engels 2008-06-03 10:24AM | 0 recs
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Engels I love you! You will see the light soon! Yes you can! --------------------------- Thank you for your attention.
by french imp 2008-06-03 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: in AP article no numbers and specifics

love for pussies

by engels 2008-06-03 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: in AP article no numbers and specifics

Yep lots of options leftt, though you forgot to mention the meteor strike.  That's crucial too.

by fogiv 2008-06-03 12:23PM | 0 recs
As a historian

I'm in awe. I taught my summer school 19th century US history class today about the coming of the Civil War, slave resistance and ideological defenses of slavery. To think that a country - whose leaders once openly encouraged the sale, rape, whipping, and murder of African Americans just because they were "sons of Ham" as the propagandists once said - is now about to nominate a son of an African immigrant to the Democratic ticket is astonishing.

Breathtaking.

I may be white and Jewish, but I am tearing up at the thought of what this country has just done. Oddly enough, it feels like the first Jewish person has been nominated - it just feels that strong to me.

No, it is not the "first time" I have been proud of my country. I'm always proud of my country. But I don't know that I have ever been prouder.

by elrod 2008-06-03 10:25AM | 0 recs
Hell yeah

Maybe, after an Obama presidency, we'll be ready for President Russ Feingold.

Hell, he might be the VP pick (though I kinda think Russ is better in the Senate).

Regardless, given the historic civil rights connection between blacks and jews, it makes sense that you'd feel jewish pride over this.

by Dracomicron 2008-06-03 10:42AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

"The 'leverage' she was hoping to preserve before conceding has started leaking out a large hole at the bottom of the bucket."--Josh Orton

Much as I hate to interrupt your personal heroic battle against Hillary Clinton, this election will be decided by the voters. Much of the leverage lies with them.

The complete disregard for the voters is evident in announcing this, no matter how symbolic, before Montana and South Dakota have voted.

by superetendar 2008-06-03 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

The Obama campaign didn't announce it. Call AP if you want to complain. You should be able to google around to find the number.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Poblano:

Montana
Obama: 59.1
Clinton: 40.9

South Dakota:
Obama: 52.5
Clinton: 47.5

by Massadonious 2008-06-03 10:51AM | 0 recs
Not happy with the AP on this one

With thousands of voters in Montana and S. Dakota yet to vote, this is messed up. Cheers to Obama, but the AP is artificially gaming the vote on this one. I don't know if this helps Obama or Clinton and I don't much care, but both candidates - and their staffs - worked too hard in these states to have the ultimate results declared prematurely. I'm sure the AP wasn't the only news organization with a fix on the superdelegates, it's kind of sad they felt they had to scoop the others so early. Bah.

by 79blondini 2008-06-03 10:29AM | 0 recs
I'm an Obama supporter

And I'm happy he won.  But Clinton supporters, rest assured that many of us are also sad to see such a wonderful leader defeated.

My happiness at Obama winning the nomination is about 1% of the happiness I will feel to see a Dem win in November.  If it had been Clinton, the same would have been true.

I hope you who have supported Clinton can overlook the sore winners and grating personalities that infect Obama's supporters.  let's be honest, there are irritating asshats supporting every candidate, unfortunately.  Lets put the intraparty bickering behind us and unite for an incredibly important victory in November.

by snaktime 2008-06-03 10:32AM | 0 recs
Anything can happen between now and August

Remember--with Barack Obama, you're not just waiting for the OTHER shoe to drop. You're following a centipede.

by BJJ Fighter 2008-06-03 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Anything can happen between now and August

He is our centipede now.  Get on board the Obama bandwagon or get the hell out of the way!!

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-03 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Woo Hoo!!!  Congratulations Senator Obama.  I can't wait until he speaks in St. Paul tonight.  It should be something to remember.

by Blue Neponset 2008-06-03 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Figured this was as good a thread as any to say thanks to the rational supporters of both of our fine candidates this year.  There are wonderful representatives for both candidates here, and they far outweigh the lunatic fringe that both candidates have.  It got incredibly ugly a few times this season, but every time that happened it seemed that there were a few people that pulled us back from the edge.

I truly believe we're going to be a stronger party nationwide because of this hard fought primary.  As cliche as it sounds, there are no real losers here. Progressive ideals have a platform to stand on now that we've built a solid party infrastructure in places where none existed, and we can thank both candidates for getting people so enthused about the process.

Lastly, my heart truly goes out to Clinton supporters who put all they had behind their candidate.  I know exactly how it feels to have your candidate lose, and it sucks.  Here's hoping that we can use Clinton's incredible leadership in the Senate and maybe get a new majority leader who has what it takes to lead us on the big issues of our time.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-03 10:36AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

From my perspective a sad day not only for Hillary and her supporters, but for the party...

by SaveElmer 2008-06-03 10:36AM | 0 recs
Politics is a dirty nasty game.

The Obama people and the Superdelegates couldn't even wait until tomorrow to allow Clinton to make her speech tonight.  That is just wrong.  Disgusting. What a nasty way to push someone out.  

by InMass 2008-06-03 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Politics is a dirty nasty game.

This is a story by a news organization.

Obama is not speaking until after Clinton does, by several hours.  When he does, if he has enough pledged delegates to clinch, he'll say he does.  If Clinton wants to mention the situation, she'll do it.

They are both incredible candidates who have made this a nomination fight to remember.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:49AM | 0 recs
Wonderful news!

I feel almost as good about this as when Bill Clinton actually won.  This is probably my second most proud moment as a 43 year old Democrat.

GO OBAMA!

by SpanishFly 2008-06-03 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

The tide in our nation is....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvTvWJWeQ 2g

by nogo postal 2008-06-03 10:47AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Why don't the 30 Super Delegates come out and show their faces?  Why endorse in private?

by nzubechukwu 2008-06-03 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

All the names will be public soon.

This is a very normal sort of thing.  AP has been calling these folks for months on end.

by politicsmatters 2008-06-03 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Even though I'm glad that Obama has finally won, and even though I thought Clinton should have bowed out pre-OH/TX when the math was so clearly stacked against her...the victory is still a little bittersweet for me.

Obama being the nominee is absolutely historic, but Clinton as our nominee would also have been historic.  When I think of my mom, my grandmother, even my sisters, and think how great it would have been for them, and for all of us by extension, to have a woman as our nominee, I'm a little bit sad.

So, Clinton supporters: in all sincerity, sorry that it didn't work out this time.  That's got to be a tough loss to swallow.  It's too bad that these two candidates had to both arrive this year (oh, how I wish either of them could have been Kerry in 2004), but that's how it happened.

But, we still have a important, inspiring, historic campaign in front of us.  Here's hoping we all can make Obama not only the first black Presidential Nominee, but the first black President of the United States of America.

by ChrisKaty 2008-06-03 10:52AM | 0 recs
Carter endorses!

Yeah it was only a matter of time before he did so, but WOW!

by thezzyzx 2008-06-03 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Carter endorses!

Link for Carter

by thezzyzx 2008-06-03 10:59AM | 0 recs
Don't delegates actually

need to vote for a nominee at the national convention before a candidate cinches the nomination?  If I were Obama, I would be able to make a more compelling case this had occurred were Hillary to suspend her campaign.

The poor AP is having a rough day.

by Beltway Dem 2008-06-03 11:01AM | 0 recs
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by fogiv 2008-06-03 12:17PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Musical interlude!

by animated 2008-06-03 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Wait...shoudln't Jonathan Singer be breaking this...oh, wait, yeah,oh, okay, now I get it.

by krj47 2008-06-03 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: BREAKING AP: Obama Clinches Nomination

Actually, I think We're all Democrats.I haven't had a single discussion on this issue from anyone.I'd be pleasantly suport  the man who is really democratics.

by anasky123 2008-06-24 11:03PM | 0 recs

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