North Carolina Results Thread

From CNN.com:

√ Barack Obama: 890,700 votes (56 percent)
Hillary Clinton: 657,943 votes (42 percent)

99% precincts reporting at 1:21 AM Eastern

Update [2008-5-6 23:7:44 by Todd Beeton]:With 91% of precincts reporting, Barack Obama has already made up the 210,000 votes Hillary Clinton gained in Pennsylvania.

Update [2008-5-6 23:38:30 by Todd Beeton]:With 98% reporting, he's blasted past her PA gains.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Democratic nomination, North Carolina Primary (all tags)

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113 Comments

All over but the cryin n/t

by parahammer 2008-05-06 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: All over but the cryin n/t

The Republican strategist on CNN said 'It's time to take the family pet to the vet for the last visit.'  So much for Operation Chaos.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-05-06 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: All over but the cryin n/t

Us HRC supporters will remember comments like this come the fall.

by bluestatedude 2008-05-06 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: All over but the cryin n/t

Are you voting for candidates or to spite their supporters?

by KyleJRM 2008-05-06 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: All over but the cryin n/t

Oh no!  Someone on the internet said something mean to me!  I won't vote for the Democrat against McCain!

Grow up.  Clinton supporters have said some pretty nasty things to me, but I'd still vote for her against McCain, four more years of Bush policy.

by Skaje 2008-05-06 04:44PM | 0 recs
All Democrats need to stop sniping at,

and fighting each other. It's only to the GOP's advantage.

Fact is both Hillary and Obama would make great Presidents, and no matter what happens we need to pull together to defeat John McCain.

The last thing the world needs is a third Bush term.

by TrueBlueCT 2008-05-06 04:45PM | 0 recs
Going to sit on your hands

because somebody gloated?  Are you kidding?

by kellogg 2008-05-06 04:49PM | 0 recs
the HRC supporters have

been so respectful of Obama supporters after all...</snark>

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 04:58PM | 0 recs
You do that.

Voting for McCain, are you?

by Shem 2008-05-06 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: You do that.

Does he support democracy?

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:37PM | 0 recs
Certainly.

He wants to spread it at gunpoint for the next hundred years.

That a Democrat would even threaten to send McCain to the White House is indicative of seriously questionable values and priorities.

by Shem 2008-05-06 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: All over but the cryin n/t

Please know that parahammer could be karl rove for all we know.

by chrispy 2008-05-06 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Obama has erased all the popular votes Clinton gained in PA, by my math...Clinton also picked up 7% Ditto Head support in Indiana, meaning 3.6% should be subtracted from her total as we are considering the results

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

So GOP vote for Obama count but GOP votes for Hillary don't?

Hope you have a lot of GOP votes in the general to make up for the dems you losing with talk like that.

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 03:59PM | 0 recs
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Nope I didn't count GOP voters... I counted Voters who said they would not support Sen. Clinton in the fall. Obama did not have such a margin

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

You do understand that, according to CNN exit polls, the majority of  GOP voters who plan to vote for McCain voted for Obama.

Does this tell you anything perhaps?

by kristoph 2008-05-06 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

North Carolina is a semi-closed primary Hoss... no GOP voters cast ballots in the Democratic primary.

by belicheat 2008-05-06 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

I asked on a different thread and got no response:

Will HRC denounce Rush and his Operation Chaos? Why has she not come out against him?  Or did she already and I missed it?

by igottheblues 2008-05-06 04:41PM | 0 recs
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Lets not get into that game. It's not her obligation to denounce every halfwit's actions.

by Pravin 2008-05-06 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

And the Republicans for a day that Obama has relentlessly courted?

by LadyEagle 2008-05-06 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

UPDATE: Obama wins men and Obama wins women.

HUGE!

by MissVA 2008-05-06 03:58PM | 0 recs
MSM saying its over

Joe Scarborough, who has been carrying water for Clinton for several weeks now, basically anointed Obama the nominee.

by parahammer 2008-05-06 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

Joe hasn't been carry water for anyone except Obama because MSNBC is now the Obama News Network.

Hillary should stay in the race until June 3rd, regardless.  She will win big in WV and KY.  This race is, and always been, about race.  

by stefystef 2008-05-06 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

Joe and pat Buchanan fall all over themselves helping Hillary.

by parahammer 2008-05-06 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

This race is, and always been, about race.

We can't go down this road. This race is about two candidates. It is not about race. It is not about gender.

by jaiwithani 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

Unfortunately, the race has become about race.  Thanks to Jesse Jr.  Well...I guess we'll see.

by christinep 2008-05-06 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

I think it was Wolfson who said this was a race for delegates.  If so, the math wont add up after tonight.  But, that was then, this is now, time to either move the goal posts and/or change the rules.

by igottheblues 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

You obviously don't watch MSNBC.  Joe is a pure Hillary schill.

by LordMike 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: MSM saying its over

based on your comment  

I feel sorry for you  really

by wellinformed 2008-05-06 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

... also, Obama won only African American voters, he lost non-African American voters by over 20%.

by kristoph 2008-05-06 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Who the hell cares? A vote is a vote

by Pravin 2008-05-06 04:36PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Try saying that come general election...

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Republiclan white voters are not going to be voting for Hillary in large enough numbers either.

by Pravin 2008-05-06 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

As I said above, the race is about race.

by christinep 2008-05-06 04:57PM | 0 recs
what's your implied point?

That we shouldn't be counting Black votes in North Carolina b/c they are somehow tainted or illegitimate?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

No just over represented relative to the general election.

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

That's why he did so well in Vermont: the black vote.

by juliewolf 2008-05-06 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

And Colorado

by nwgates 2008-05-06 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

And Iowa

by nwgates 2008-05-06 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

And Washington

by nwgates 2008-05-06 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: what's your implied point?

And Wisconsin, et cetera, et cetera

by nwgates 2008-05-06 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Per Chuck Todd:

If Obama mantains 57% in NC he will have entirely erased HRC's popular vote gain from PA.

Holy shnikes.

by fogiv 2008-05-06 03:58PM | 0 recs
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yeah but does NC count.

by parahammer 2008-05-06 03:59PM | 0 recs
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silly rabbit. of course NC doesn't count.

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:09PM | 0 recs
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It's not even really a state, is it?

by fogiv 2008-05-06 04:10PM | 0 recs
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Noooooo.

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Well, when you get 91% of one race voting for you in the south it's kinda hard to lose. i think these results from NC fare very badly for Obama in the GE. He's only getting 37% of white women.

by handsomegent 2008-05-06 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

C'mon, you should know these numbers wouldn't likely be the same in the GE.  It would only be bad if Hillary and Obama were both running in the GE versus McCain.

by fogiv 2008-05-06 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

They will be.

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:41PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Are you suggesting a Unity ticket, or that HRC will split from the Democratic Party to run independently?

by fogiv 2008-05-06 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

I still think it's too early to count on NC.
What happened to the rural vote?  

I think there is a fix going on here.  Obama's the nominee, McCain is the President.

by stefystef 2008-05-06 04:03PM | 0 recs
Both can beat McCain

Lets not be pessimistic.  I think both our great Dem candidates can mop the floor with McCain.  The head-to-head match-up polls say both can win, and that is even before any post primary unity bump.

by protothad 2008-05-06 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Both can beat McCain

There won't be unity

Team Obama has used power politics to force feed us by any means necessary.

The cost of that is unity in the general and president McCain.

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Both can beat McCain

Are you saying that you won't vote for the Dem in November?  I guess I don't get what you mean.  Force fed?  Power politics?  Its been a rough and tumble hard nose campaign, but I don't see how either candidate has done anything completely beyond the pale.

by protothad 2008-05-06 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Both can beat McCain

Which horse should I wager on in the Preakness?  Also, who will win the NBA finals?  Thanks in advance.  I know you can predict the future, so just  give me that information and I can retire now.

by agpc 2008-05-06 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Both can beat McCain

Can you elaborate? I haven't really seen "power politics," but my definition might now match yours.

by Falsehood 2008-05-06 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Which counties are they counting first?

by stefystef 2008-05-06 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Among people that voted for Hillary Clinton, 7% said they would NOT be satisfied if Clinton wins the nomination. I'll take Operation Chaos for that.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Still waiting for HRC to denounce Rush and demand he stop Operation Chaos.

Any one care to explain why she has not?

by igottheblues 2008-05-06 05:02PM | 0 recs
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That gives it attention - she doesn't want it to be news.

by Falsehood 2008-05-06 07:13PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

each state will tighten for the loser at this point. Early vote was huge for Obama in N.C. while the rural vote is huge for Hillary in IN.

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

The superdelegates will come a callin' this week. Say goodnight, Hillary.

Chuck Todd "numbers out of NC negate any gains HRC campaign wanted to make tonight"

/paraphrased

by dannybauder 2008-05-06 04:10PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

And say Hello to President McCain.

by handsomegent 2008-05-06 04:32PM | 0 recs
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Nice.  Future McCain voter, eh?  This site is by and for Dems.

by fogiv 2008-05-06 04:36PM | 0 recs
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That is only true if we make it a self fulfulling prophecy by being pessimistic and divided.  Both our candidates can beat McCain.  Lets just keep working for our respective candidates, let the primary process finish, then rally around the nominee and kick some Republican butt!

by protothad 2008-05-06 06:10PM | 0 recs
Looks like a major blowout

Obama got another NC SD today, many more should endorse tomorrow.

by parahammer 2008-05-06 04:28PM | 0 recs
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These numbers are kind of shocking.

by bobbank 2008-05-06 04:28PM | 0 recs
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I know I am starting to feel that shocking feeling down my leg

by wellinformed 2008-05-06 05:13PM | 0 recs
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NC is coming in higher for Obama than I expected, but otherwise this isn't that far outside of projections.  Clinton takes IN and Obama takes NC.  He gets a slight gain in delegates, but it still comes down to the supers to decide it.  What did you project?

by protothad 2008-05-06 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

anyone care to guestimate the final for NC?

for me:
Obama 58
Clinton 41

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:29PM | 0 recs
61 / 39

by Mojo Risen 2008-05-06 04:30PM | 0 recs
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65-35, and crossing a threshold in the delegate counting formula.

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-06 04:43PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

you're the first one down, it seems. He's "only" got a 26% lead at the moment.

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

I was looking at all election totals and noticed that HRC has won only one contest this season with over 60%.  Meanwhile, BHO was 17 contests.

And they say BHO cant win in the GE.

by igottheblues 2008-05-06 05:05PM | 0 recs
her only option now is to sue the DNC...

I pray she has some level-headed advisers who council her against that.

by Mojo Risen 2008-05-06 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

I find all the talk about Obama losing the white working class vote interesting. When this race started, Hillary was winning more than 20% of the black vote. What about the fact that she is now only earning AA support in the single digits? That should be as least as significant.

by jadegirl 2008-05-06 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

According to some people here, black people aren't voting for Clinton because they're racist, but white people aren't voting for Obama because they don't like his policies.

Mydd...

by Skaje 2008-05-06 04:48PM | 0 recs
Actually, in South Carolina

she once had a majority of black voters. (52-33%).
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2 007/07/20/280196.aspx

Then Obama achieved viability, and then the AA community got pissed off.

by TrueBlueCT 2008-05-06 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Race identification.  Sad.

by christinep 2008-05-06 04:59PM | 0 recs
both candidates benefited from ID politcs

Where would HRC be if without the votes of "White" women? She would have been ignored out of this process a long time ago.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: both candidates benefited from ID politcs

dammit no one even mentions that

by wellinformed 2008-05-06 05:16PM | 0 recs
Re: both candidates benefited from ID politcs

Why do our assumptions allow people to create "what if Blacks didn't vote?" scenarios but they don't occur to us about other demographic groups?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Obama may have won the nomination tonight.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

He won the nomination in February when he racked up 150 net delegates and narrowed Clinton's superdelegate lead significantly.  Clinton had to come back big to stop him, all she has done is split the states 50-50 while continuing to lose her superdelegate lead.  Down to 14 now.

by Skaje 2008-05-06 04:50PM | 0 recs
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Brush the dirt off your shoulders, Senator Obama; you stand tall!

I am so looking forward to Obama's speech tonight, yes I am.

by realcountrymusic 2008-05-06 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Obama picks up another superdelegate in North Carolina.

I think after tonight's results, the floodgates will open.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 04:38PM | 0 recs
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Nah nah nah nah
nah nah nah nah

hey hey hey

gooooodbye

by belicheat 2008-05-06 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

someone has to say it.

I would not be surprised to see her drop out in the coming day or two. Not that I necessarily believe it but I would not be surprised.

by alex100 2008-05-06 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

She won't drop out until January 21, 2009... even then she'll still be in court, I bet... Remember,  it's all about her...  

by LordMike 2008-05-06 04:50PM | 0 recs
Chuck Todd: Obama can still win Indiana

"game changing night" would be an understatement.

by Mojo Risen 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Chuck Todd: Obama can still win Indiana

Don't say things like this. It only makes it hurt more later. Sniff.

by Lettuce 2008-05-06 04:56PM | 0 recs
undecided vote

was split between Obama, Hillary, and No preference.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Turnout?!

According to my data, the Kerry vote in North Carolina, 2004, was 1,525,849.  Typical turnout in these primaries has been something like 70-90% of Kerry vote.

CNN says 532,575 reflects 18% of precincts reporting.  Does that mean turnout in North Carolina is going to totally blow out the Kerry vote in 2004?  If so that is amazing and kind of crazy.

by bobbank 2008-05-06 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Turnout?!

Precincts do not mean percentage of vote. The amount of votes in are likely more than that.

by wengler 2008-05-06 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Turnout?!

That's correct. The most populous counties have already voted.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primari es/results/county/#NCDEMMAPprimary

by Sumo Vita 2008-05-06 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Halperin says

SOURCE: CLINTON WILL MAKE REMARKS SOON MAKING UNAMBIGUOUSLY CLEAR HER INTENTION TO FIGHT ON

Oh yes. Enough time to pay off her vendor debt.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread
Penn wants his money.
Also we will find out tomorrow whether She has lent her campaign additional funds.
by parahammer 2008-05-06 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

or maybe the colombians I hear its not wise to owe them Money

shit Under that pressure I would never quit either I would promise free gas if I had to lmao

by wellinformed 2008-05-06 05:19PM | 0 recs
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In case you Obama-heads and Hillary-heads have missed it, McCain will probably only get 70% in NC and IN

This is pathetic.  I could see Ron Paul get 4 or 5% from real Libertarians but this goes beyond that.  Furthemore, at this point (where you've locked it up) the primary voters are usually part loyallists and people who never fail to vote.

Scarier still is that this trend has been going on in every contest since he locked it up

by kmwray 2008-05-06 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Similar to how Kerry did in 2004 and Gore in 2000.

by DaveOinSF 2008-05-06 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

It's going to narrow.  Maybe not vote-wise, but I don't think Obama's going to increase his 150000 vote lead in North Carolina.  This was built with the early voting and the returns from the populous counties are mostly in.  This will be about a 10% win, when all the votes are counted.

by DaveOinSF 2008-05-06 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread
Interesting....
Any other people have thoughts on this?
by chrispy 2008-05-06 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Sounds right Obama pics up 100,000 in popular vote interested in the total delegate shift too but its the popular vote that matters now.

Obama clearly has pledged delegates in his corner.

by DTaylor 2008-05-06 05:50PM | 0 recs
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I think you're right. Just in terms of the TV Optics, Obama benefitted a great deal by the fact that NC election officials dumped in the early voting results first, giving people the impression of a Mississippi-style blow out, when it pretty clearly won't be.

by blueflorida 2008-05-06 05:47PM | 0 recs
didn't HRC say that as goes NC

so goes the nomination?

by Carl Nyberg 2008-05-06 05:21PM | 0 recs
NC Board of Elections URL

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/ NC/1875/3565/en/summary.html

Currently Obama is around 13 points ahead with 16 of 100 counties fully reported, 56 partially reported..

Hillary has 443,382 votes so far,
Obama has 572,673

Turnout appears to have been around 24%

by architek 2008-05-06 05:34PM | 0 recs
Where's &quot;Are You Ready?&quot;

I got some scores to settle.

by Bush Bites 2008-05-06 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

To all you people who say Obama cannot win the general election, how do you account for the fact that Democratic turnout has far surpassed Republican turnout?  Rush Limbaugh?  The dissatisfaction numbers are higher than they have EVER been and that almost always spells doom for the incumbent party.  Bush is the most unpopular president in modern history and McCain is essentially running as Bush III.

Whoever wins the Democratic nomination - most likely Obama - has a very good chance of winning the presidency.  I understand that many of you are emotionally vested in Clinton and its disappointing to have your candidate lose.  However, would you really rather have a 4 year continuation of Bush's policies?

by agpc 2008-05-06 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Lots of scoops on MSNBC.....

Fineman reports that Obama and Clinton will make a deal about the FL and MI delegations since Obama will have it wrapped up by May 31.

Russert reports that Obama will pay off Clinton's campaign debts.

Let's come together....over me.

by Kobi 2008-05-06 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

It's over. Let's Hillary's fans vent in peace for a few days.

by Kobi 2008-05-06 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

Why can't Hillary Clinton close the deal?

by craigk724 2008-05-06 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: North Carolina Results Thread

It doesn't matter, except to political historians, since Obama closed the deal today.

by Kobi 2008-05-06 07:25PM | 0 recs
Marginally Interesting for Obama

According to my own metric, a 14 point win in NC and 1-4 point loss in IN gives Obama a "Marginally Interesting" night. That means lots of boasting MyDD  diaries in the coming days. But the change in the race is debatable.

The media is treating this as a "Big Night," which means either I was wrong in setting up my metrics, or the media is overreacting to Obama's impressive night.

by elrod 2008-05-06 07:22PM | 0 recs

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