CNN, NBC News Project Obama Win in North Carolina

Just in; results to come... ABC News calls it a rout.

Update [2008-5-6 19:48:32 by Todd Beeton]:From CNN's NC exit polls, Obama over-performed among black voters, winning them 91-6, and Hillary Clinton underpeformed among white voters, winning them by a margin of 59-36. And remarkably there really was not much of a gender gap. Barack Obama won men 57-39 and he won women 54-42. A friend tells me that if these exit polls hold up it will translate to a 13 or so point win for Obama.

Tags: Democratic primaries, Endorsements, North Carolina, North Carolina Primary (all tags)

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Obama Win in North Carolina

The margin must be huge in his favor for them to call it with not a single vote counted.

by bobbank 2008-05-06 03:31PM | 0 recs
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I had guessed Obama by 12.  I'm a little surprised they called it this quickly.

by fogiv 2008-05-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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AA's are really really upset about Wright story it seems like in exits.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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So he gets his 91%. Not that there is anything to do with identity politics about this. The problem of course is it won't mean a thing in the general.

by ottovbvs 2008-05-06 03:34PM | 0 recs
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Don't be bitter

by parahammer 2008-05-06 03:35PM | 0 recs
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He overperformed amongst Whites too...it is going to be a really large blowout

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
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Perhaps Obama's 91% won't mean much, but you can bet Hillary's 9% would.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-06 03:43PM | 0 recs
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As they should be... Hagee has said much worse, and yet not a peep out of the media...  I leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why!

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:35PM | 0 recs
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No surprise since it was a contrived controversy.  People care about the economy, not what some pastor says.  Obama can't control what the guy says after all.

by agpc 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
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Guess Rev. Wright was correct when he said that attacks on him were attacks on the entire black church.  Clearly that's how it was taken in the AA community.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
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That is actually how I felt (save the AIDS comment but several Black Congressional Delegation Members had said that as soon as 10 years ago).  There is no single Black Church, but he is part of a huge sector.  I think the Wright problem was very much a White problem...that is how it was being perceived amongst most people in the clergy community.

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: CNN, NBC News Projects Obama Win in North Caro

Wow.

That's cool.

Go Dems!

by aimeeinkc 2008-05-06 03:31PM | 0 recs
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Won all income groups...it will be a blowout

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:32PM | 0 recs
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Yay!

by agpc 2008-05-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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15+ margin expected.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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In a primary where AAs are expected to be 40% of the electorate a blow out is no big surprise.

by liberalj 2008-05-06 03:33PM | 0 recs
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He is carrying more Whites than expected...around 41% of White Vote.  We could reach a 60% Obama win

by cardboard 1 2008-05-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
Well, no

If you look at the last polls that were run, you'll see they were predicting a 32-33% Af-Am voter turnout.

Something motivated these people to go to the polls.   Maybe they believed in the candidate, or maybe whites soured on Ms. Clinton.  

Also - you don't know how white voters turned out.  Don't forget - Barack Obama won a majority of whites in Virginia.  You can't call whites a monolithic bloc - Hillary has unique strength among white voters in Appalachia, not all white voters.  For another example, see Oregon, where Obama is way ahead of her because he is polling well among whites.

by TL 2008-05-06 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Well, no

Whites are not breaking 90%+ for Clinton. And i didn't call blacks a monolithic block either.

I'd be very surprised if Obama carries whites in North Carolina. But could happen.

by liberalj 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
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Why can't Hillary win the big states?  Why can't she close the deal?  Why can't she win with the Democratic base--intellectuals and African Americans?  Why can't she win the Democratic strongholds of the urban centers?  Why?  Why?

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:34PM | 0 recs
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Why can't Obama win the GE?  Why does he only win these huge margins when black people vote for him?  Your nastiness is not helpful to your candidate, you know.

Stay classy.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
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EXACTLY! Couldn't be said better. the general is what matters, after all, George McGovern was the nominee in 1972 with the Obama coalition

by DiamondJay 2008-05-06 03:38PM | 0 recs
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Obama can't win the general election, eh?  Since you can predict the future, please tell me which stocks will be up tomorrow.

by agpc 2008-05-06 03:38PM | 0 recs
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Exectly. Spot on. Hillary zombies are now predicting GE.
 
by MissVA 2008-05-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
I think the comment simply recapped

all the things people have been saying about Obama.

But, as far as Black voters go: can Hillary win the general without the AA vote.  I don't think so.  So, try not to dismiss the black vote so glibly.  

by kellogg 2008-05-06 03:39PM | 0 recs
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Can Obama win the GE with only his coalition?  I can't see how.  White people that never went to college far outnumber latte liberals and blacks.  And I say that as a proud latte liberal who is also black.

by jarhead5536 2008-05-06 03:43PM | 0 recs
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Who says he can't win the general? Do you have a crystal ball?

by roseaupensant 2008-05-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
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Why can Clinton win only when Limbaugh Republicans vote for her... or only rural white people?  Bill Clinton didn't win the white vote in 1992 or 1996, how can she expect to win the general without the black vote in 2008?

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:42PM | 0 recs
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Take a look at the upper left corner of the main MyDD page.  According to Jerome's polling Obama wins the GE.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-06 03:43PM | 0 recs
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There has not been a GE for Obama to fail to win

by kmwray 2008-05-06 04:04PM | 0 recs
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Clinton has won 7 of the 10 largest states, Obama has won 3.

But your right, Clinton can't 'close the deal' any more than Obama can.

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by kristoph 2008-05-06 03:38PM | 0 recs
"Largest states"

You're including Florida and Michigan, I assume?  

Would Obama have trouble in California?  New York?  I don't think so.

Will Clinton win Texas?  Unlikely.  

by kellogg 2008-05-06 03:42PM | 0 recs
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why can't Barack Hussein Obama win anyone other than college kids, elites and blacks? Is blacks voting for one of their own a surprise? Why can't he win states Dems can hope to carry, instead of Idaho, Utah, and Wyoming?

by DiamondJay 2008-05-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
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Hi Jay,

I am 55, White, and me and about 70% of folks JUST LIKE ME in King County, (Seattle) voted for Obama?

Oh, wait..I guess I am an Elite?

My dad and mom would be so proud!

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:43PM | 0 recs
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"Hussein"?

You've navigated to the wrong site.  You're looking for littlegreenfootballs.com

by TL 2008-05-06 03:44PM | 0 recs
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its just his middle name

by DiamondJay 2008-05-06 04:34PM | 0 recs
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Why can't Hillary win anyone else other than rural republicans, Limbaugh Republicans, and 80-year old former union workers?  

There are more voters in heaven and earth that are dreamt of in your philosophy, DiamondJay...  most of Clinton's voters are closer to the latter... which is fine now, but what happens to Hillary in 2012 when many of her voters have passed on to the great voting booth in the sky?  2016?  2020?  

I'm not denigrating senior voters.  I actually admire them, since they are the last generation that can speak out for the New Deal, but, the party must look to the future, not the past!

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
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Most democrats will vote Obama in November, even if they don't think he's "one of their own."

by catilinus 2008-05-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
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well lets see, Virginia and Maryland he won because of the blacks, and the rest are small states with few people. They're not swing states either. Small states like him because he's the new thing, and they're not going to McCain.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-06 03:52PM | 0 recs
MN, MO, WI, WA and CO

aren't states.

Thats 5 states with more than 50 electoral votes and if I recall 2004 and 2000 ---- they were all in the mix for GOP and Dem nominees

by kmwray 2008-05-06 04:03PM | 0 recs
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not to mention, those states were largely before his crazy racist white hating pastor came out. it was a completely different ball game

by DiamondJay 2008-05-06 03:54PM | 0 recs
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So cool.

by mady 2008-05-06 03:34PM | 0 recs
That's surprising?

15?  That is more then I thought, I figured Senator Clinton had closed to within 8%?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: That's surprising?

Ah, but there's no reverse prejudice here?

by handsomegent 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
lets get those goalposts moved n/t

by parahammer 2008-05-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: lets get those goalposts moved n/t

Weighing in early, eh?  

Funny, I bet you are right.

NC just doesn't matter it's too Elite, I guess?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: lets get those goalposts moved n/t

North Carolina - big on latte and gucci.

by TL 2008-05-06 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: lets get those goalposts moved n/t

Actually, if you look at the exit polls Obama lost all the non-African American working class voters. Actually, he lost all non-African American voters period. I am to sure you can extrapolate his win to suggest he is winning the the bulk of Blue Color Americans. Sadly.

by kristoph 2008-05-06 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: lets get those goalposts moved n/t

Because black people don't ever wear blue collars?  I hear way too much of that talk.  

On the question of white voters and especially blue collar whites, you're right that he has trouble winning them against Hillary Clinton, if we're in Appalachia or the South.

But do not forget: he won a majority of the white vote in Wisconsin, Maryland, Iowa, Virginia, Washington state (huge, there, by the way) - all of which are blue or swing states.  He is currently slated to win a majority of white votes in Oregon, South Dakota and Montana.  And he was very competitive in other states.

So, please.  Don't tell me he can't win white votes, even against Hillary.  

by TL 2008-05-06 04:14PM | 0 recs
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55/45 according to the exit polls.

Does anyone know if the exit polls include the early voters?

by RussTC3 2008-05-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
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55/45 just about where everyone expected it to be. But if its based on 91% of the black vote and they are a third of the electorate it just confirms what we already know. The euphoria because this guy has won in a state which the democrats have not got the remotest chance of winning in the general is totally bizarre.  

by ottovbvs 2008-05-06 03:39PM | 0 recs
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Yay, NC has joined the rank of states that do not matter according to Hillary supporters -- too bad I don't remember you saying that yesterday.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
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All states matter. I think all the parent is saying that Obama's coalition will not translate to a win in NC in November. That's just a fact of the numbers, no one is trying to spin anything.

by kristoph 2008-05-06 03:54PM | 0 recs
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Ummm... Obama is competitive with McCain acording to recent polling...

BTW, your argument can be used with a lot of Hillary states, too....

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
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Alright, so is this now a confirmation that Indiana also doesn't count?

It's hard to keep track sometimes, so a confirmation on the matter would be nice.

by RussTC3 2008-05-06 03:55PM | 0 recs
Big States!!

Go Tarheels!! (And, I'm a Duke fan)

by DPW 2008-05-06 03:36PM | 0 recs
My, that was quick!

Still too close to call in IN?

by kellogg 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: My, that was quick!

No "TOO EARLY" to call, which means they know Clinton won, they just aren't sure by how much...

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: NC wasn't too early?

I suspect it means Obama won everywhere in NC?  In IN, large citys are late to report, and they are seeing Clinton win big in the rural, Obama in the cities...

Yeah, I'm sure they don't want another MO, but that probably isn't the case here.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
It's shifted back to "too close." n/t

by kellogg 2008-05-06 05:43PM | 0 recs
They are basing there projections upon

exit polls which have been wrong all season. I will wait until later before I accept a blow out in NC by Obama.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: They are basing there projections upon

Wanna bet?

by TL 2008-05-06 03:46PM | 0 recs
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While we're all waiting for results, it's never too early for a little good news.

Jeanette Council (NC) has endorsed Obama for President.

A SD for Obama.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 03:37PM | 0 recs
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woo hoo!

by roseaupensant 2008-05-06 03:45PM | 0 recs
Lou Dobbs sucks

Side note.  I'm watching CNN right now.  Lou Dobbs is the biggest douchebag out there.

by chewie5656 2008-05-06 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Lou Dobbs sucks

Mucho mojo.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-06 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Lou Dobbs sucks

I hate him more than Sean Hannity, mostly because I think Hannity is too idiotic to be taken seriously by any reasonable fair-minded person. Maybe the same can be said for Dobbs, but I get the feeling that he's taken more seriously by many.

by DPW 2008-05-06 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Lou Dobbs sucks

I hope all Democrats can agree on that.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-05-06 03:46PM | 0 recs
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But, Survey USA said it was a 5-point race!  SUSA is never wrong, especially not in Southern states!

by Skaje 2008-05-06 03:41PM | 0 recs
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As expected, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has solidly won the North Carolina primary, ABC News projects, while he and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, remain locked in a tight race in Indiana.

I'm expecting 15%+ just as the great Poblano said.

We have the best people in the business on our side.

Poblano and Al Giordano.

Obama 08.

by MissVA 2008-05-06 03:43PM | 0 recs
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Tight race? she is ahead by 14% in Indiana thus far

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:50PM | 0 recs
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Haven't you been watching?  These things go county by county, and as each counties votes come in, these numbers change.

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-06 04:11PM | 0 recs
Guess it wasn't a "Game Changer"

at least not the way the Clinton camp seemed to think it would be.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-06 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Guess it wasn't a "Game Changer"

Get out the tractor, time to move the goalposts.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Guess it wasn't a "Game Changer"

Oh they've already been moved all the way to Denver. Sen. Clinton will be losing ground tonight but I assume the spin will be that tonight was a good night.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-06 03:59PM | 0 recs
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It was crazy for the Clinton people to start spreading the idea that they would pull an upset in North Carolina.  She never had a shot there.  I have been saying this for the past 10 days, but I got shouted down.  It was obvious given the polls and demographics that Obama would win in a walk.

by gorebeatbush2 2008-05-06 03:48PM | 0 recs
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What do you call a walk and where are the figures.

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:56PM | 0 recs
Another Big State for Obama

False hope and political gimicks, and toxic attacks are the only things Hillary has left to offer. Hillary,s campaign has fallen farther behind Obama today.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
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And Hillary is blowing him away in Indiana. Also 50% of all exit polling has shown that the Wright controversy was important in both states.

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:49PM | 0 recs
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If he's getting blown away, why haven't they called it, yet?

by LordMike 2008-05-06 03:51PM | 0 recs
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She is going to win Indiana and then its on to WV where he will blown away again.

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:55PM | 0 recs
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If he's getting blown away why haven't they called it?

You do realize she's losing even more ground tonight right?

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-06 04:01PM | 0 recs
North Carolina is another 20 Point Obama BLOWOUT

Hillary has only managed to do that once in her home State of Arkansas.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-06 04:02PM | 0 recs
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Indiana:

Does Clinton share your values?

Yes 62
No 37

Does Obama share your values?

Yes 65
No 33

by haystax calhoun 2008-05-06 04:08PM | 0 recs
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MSNBC exit polling is showing that Clinton is winning the majority of all white voting blocks in NC. Again this shows that Obama cannot win outside of his own base.

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:54PM | 0 recs
Just watch the White Voters in Oregon vote Obama

and deliver another crushing defeat to Hillary's microscopic chances.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-06 04:08PM | 0 recs
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Wow, winning white voters by 23 points is underperforming?  I guess I wasn't briefed on what the expectations were, but... wow.

by Steve M 2008-05-06 03:55PM | 0 recs
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Yes! CNN has just reported that Obama is having a serious problem with White voters in Indiana and NC, despite the projection for him in NC

by steve468 2008-05-06 03:58PM | 0 recs
Problems...

Not as serious a problem as Clinton is having with African-American voters...

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-06 04:02PM | 0 recs

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