Preener Obama

O, showing it in jeans for the photo-op, saying "no flash".

Do we really have to have to nominate our version of Bush?

I really miss that good old site, "Media Whores Online."

Update [2008-5-13 19:15:46 by Jerome Armstrong]: Heh, Obama supporters are offended by the comparison of Obama's preening for the media with Bush's preening for the media. Certainly Obama's agenda will be different that Bush's, thank goodness, but in this regard, it is what it is I'm afraid.

Tags: Barack Obama, horse (all tags)

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308 Comments

Re: Preener Obama

< pokes eyes out >

by mlr701 2008-05-13 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

We can't let this happen.....

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Again... absolutely disgusting.  You realize I could do the exact same cartoon with Hillary?  But then Jerome might ban me.

by brathor 2008-05-13 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You could, but the people would all have to be women of a certain age and beta males.

by venician 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
nah

real men and smart women support Clinton.  They do not tend to be worshipers like the Obama folk.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
wow, you are chauvinist too

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 09:38PM | 0 recs
Down in the muck, fishin by the dock of the bay...

When you find some diamonds, make sure they don't melt!

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: nah

Sexism doesn't count when it's against dudes right? Just like how its right to hate white people. Get a friggin clue!

by Djo 2008-05-14 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No, THIS is disgusting....

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

And... knowvox posts this a third time.  Yee-ha!

by mikeinsf 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

It's easy to post when it's the person's wallpaper.

by rfahey22 2008-05-13 03:09PM | 0 recs
LOL

Some of the Clinton supporters here seem a little too obsessed with Obama...

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Something tells me there are a handfull of users (you know the typical crowd) who stay up in the wee hours of the morning drawing evil handlebar mustasches on photos of Obama, while dressed in tin-foil and eating mayonaise and vitamin snadwinches.

by fogiv 2008-05-13 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

portia9 = TR abuse

by fogiv 2008-05-14 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Luckily, I've already poked my eyes out so I can't see it.....

by mlr701 2008-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This is hilarious!

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
what is in his hand?

is that a taser?

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-13 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: what is in his hand?

It's his own personalized transponder to communicate directly to heaven.

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama
Ahhh, did it offend your little sensibilities?
Hillary has been subjected to worse.
by usedmeat 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
absolutely

like she was subject to a vote on AUMF .... and gasp she voted for it.

by kindthoughts 2008-05-13 09:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

But PLEASE!!!!

No photos of Hillary in jeans.

by Bush Bites 2008-05-13 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

you add SO much to the discussion here...

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
Words (and images) work!

The Bush Jr. of our party makes Frank Luntz so proud.

by Zeitgeist9000 2008-05-13 02:44PM | 0 recs
How Trivial!

Hillary leaves all her preening to her makeup artist, and her hair stylist.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-13 09:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Oh come on, this is a front-page story?  Good lord.

Can't a candidate have a bit of a sense of humor?  And how in the world does posing as a joke for a couple seconds in an informal setting turn Obama into "our version of Bush"?

This is pretty much a new low for MyDD, sadly.

by ChrisKaty 2008-05-13 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Give it time. Hillary's still in the race.

by vcalzone 2008-05-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
I wonder

if MyDD will end when Hillary's campaign does or will  it turn into Obama-bashing central for 8 years.

I'm still waiting for Jerome to explain how his support of Clinton is consistent with CTG. Doesn't seem to be at all. She and her minions are the establishment that he and Markos appeared to be railing at.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Partisan wise?  Do you really want to sell me that bridge that Obama is the partisan fighting Dem that CTG talks about, or the mapchanger, or the populist?

Come on now.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-13 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Compared to Clinton? Hell yeah. He created a movement from the ground up, beat the crap out of the Establishment using people power, and opens up the West in ways that no one else has.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

I think you are overlooking one important factor in this movement - the media.  The media bought into first and pushed it.  It will be interesting to see who they favor now, since the media loves both Obama and McCain.

by badu 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
The media didn't create the

numbers of donors or the $$$. The media didn't get those boots on the ground. The media responded to the effectiveness of the movement not the other way around. McCain is a sacrificial lamb.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 03:09PM | 0 recs
So when the media was telling us...

that Clinton was inevitable, they were sublimely building the strongest fundraising and volunteer network in the history of the world.  Wow.  Thanks!

by nklein 2008-05-13 03:11PM | 0 recs
Two Words: Fairness Doctrine

Obama hates the media, and With Good Reason.

I'm not so sure hillary would have that axe to grind, though i would if I were in her shoes.

Maybe if she had made that argument, I would have been more willing to vote for 'er.

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:43AM | 0 recs
It's just advertising and you're buying it...

People Powered Movement:

But to capitalize on his celebrity, Mr. Obama's campaign has also employed novel tactics -- like counting sales of $5 speech tickets or $4.50 Obama key chains as individual contributions -- to pump up his numbers and transform grass-roots enthusiasm into more useful forms of support. No other campaign is known to have listed paraphernalia sales as donations.

Not Establishment-then who ARE his biggest donors:

Kenneth Griffin, head of the Chicago-based hedge fund Citadel Investment Group LLC and among Mayor Richard Daley's top financial patrons.; Robert Wolf, America's chairman for Swiss-based UBS Investment Bank; at least 17 of his major fundraisers are managers at either hedge funds or private equity funds; Exelon is the sixth largest donor to Sen. Obama's presidential campaign and the fourth largest career donor to Obama's federal campaigns (Exelon's CEO is a key advocate for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain);there is the director of General Dynamics, the military supplier that has seen profits soar since the onset of the Iraq war and that has benefited from at least one Obama earmark.; partners from 18 top law firms, 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies;  Neil G. Bluhm, the billionaire casino developer who plans to put a slot parlor in Philadelphia.

Anyway, none of this means anything to Obama supporters who are looking for a movement messiah instead of a president. He's just a politician who saw an opportunity to parlay his persona and rhetoric into the next new thing neatly packaged as the candidate for all seasons by speaking in vague generalities with rhetoric designed to soothe the longing souls of people buffeted by years of Bush and Republican rule.

Preening for the press is just part of a hard day's work.

Just like I don't buy religion, I don't buy what he's selling-too thin on substance and too full of ego for me.

by berkshiretrueblue 2008-05-13 06:02PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Obama is the Mapchanger.  Clinton is the Partisan.  Edwards was the populist.  And I really believe that.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Obama's campaign is a campaign of a community organizer.  Clinton's campaign is a campaign of a poll-testing DLC-loving Washington insider.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Rhetorically Edwards was the populist. Though his history is less than populist. However, as a trial attorney who took on the big guys for the little gyys there's no doubt that he has real populist blood in those veins. Same for Obama who skipped Corporate Land (i.e. Walmart) for public interest law has that same blood. He just can't use the same rhetoric as he has a different set of rules that he must play by.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Compared to DLC, Republican-lite Clinton?

Hell yes he is!

by Lawyerish 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Compared to the bridge you are trying to sell us tha he is the same as Bush...?  I'll buy the partisan bridge thank you... at least it is somewhat rooted in reality.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

The bridge to 1995.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-05-13 09:09PM | 0 recs
Clinton

Is the epitome of our CTG boogeyman, along with cohorts Mark Penn, Terry McAuliffe, and Co.

As for map changing, Obama is exactly that. He, unlike Clinton, doesn't think OH-PA-FL is the only path to victory.

by kos 2008-05-13 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton

That's what I got from the book so I just don't get it. Obama isn't the perfect CTG warrior but he's so much closer than Clinton that over-the-top defenses of her and attacks on Obama really damage Mr. Armstrong's credibility.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-13 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Jerome, large portions of CTG were about the freaking DLC, and you want us to go with their '08 standard bearer.  

Voting for the war, never agreeing that it was a mistake, sponsoring laws against flag burning, and giving Bush a standing ovation when he talks about the success of the surge, and blithering on about "obliterating Iran" are the ultimate in the faux Republican crap we put up with during the DLC period of dominance that ended in 2004-5 with Howard Dean's rise.  A time you seem determined to return us to.  

Hell, even the rightwingers are talking about how Hillary's running a rightwing campaign.  Complete with the smears not based on any issue.  As this site has become rife with, and as this post is a prime example of.

Also, what happened to "At this point, I'm personally about as detached from whomever wins as I've ever been. If Obama gets the nod, that's fine with me; but it does look like the Clinton campaign is going to keep on going and making their best argument for getting the nomination."

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/10541 5/6583

The only thing that's detached about you is your writing from your cognitive reasoning abilities.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
Not to mention video games!

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:46AM | 0 recs
A three line diary and an insulting attack...

I'm reporting you to the admins of MYDD for making a contentless attack diary. You have been warned. I'm emailing Jerome now...

Oh. Oops.

Am I banned too now?

by duende 2008-05-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: A three line diary and an insulting attack...

That's pretty funny.  

by kellogg 2008-05-13 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

so...tempted....to trollrate...must...resist...urge...

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

I get a sense that Markos wrote most of the book, no?

by Tommy Flanagan 2008-05-13 04:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

And you're a moderator for a supposedly progressive blog. You should be ashamed of yourself.

by Djo 2008-05-14 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Cease to wonder my good fellow. If Barry makes it to the GE McSame will mop the floor with him and life will go on with the Democrat Party and Kool-Aiders such as yourself wondering where that truckload of voters that just ran over you came from.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

You're not paying attention to any information but what you find on this site huh? Party ID and voter registration for Dems is way up and those things are going to be even higher by November.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Sorry pal. Your low-info analysis wont' cut it.

No blog....no blog that relies on any sort of polling and mathematical analysis shows Barry doing anything but getting his ass kicked.

Do you folks know where you are at? You are at a blog that was founded on the use of polling to determine not only outcome but trends in the polity.

TAKE A FUCKIN' LOOK AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE HERE PAL!

See those EC maps at the corners.

WHY DO YOU THINK JEROME PUTS THEM THERE!

Here, choke on this site's analysis:

http://hominidviews.com/

Believe all you want. Repeat, 'Yes we can...' ten thousand times.

Unless something very radical changes the playing field between now and your planned 'ascension day' Barry....Wonderful...Noble....

Bary is a loser.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder
Yes, and thats why the latest poll has him up on mccain 51-44 (with Clinton only up 46-43.)  
Wanna know where I got those numbers?  How bout you look at the top of this page top the top rec'd diary!
by iowa dem 2008-05-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Heh

The stupid must burn inside you. On this very site, Obama was winning the EC map just a week or two ago.

Seriously, your hatred is bizarre.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 03:15PM | 0 recs
Might be time to go outside

and get some air.  You'll feel better.  

You seem, ummm, tense.

by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow 2008-05-13 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

Do you honestly believe those EC maps are meaningful? Clinton was down below McSame and then up and the same for Obama. They don't show you much about November at all. So no one had to say you were a low information voter you  proved that  you are by virtue of your own words.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-13 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I wonder

BTW, that loser beat both the entire Clinton family and its Establishment Machine.

by heresjohnny 2008-05-13 04:25PM | 0 recs
&quot;Democrat Party&quot;!

Your freudian slip is showing

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Democrat Party&quot;!

No it ain't pal.

Barry is a proud member of that party. The party of...

Lieberman

Schumer

Reid

Pelosi

Kennedy

Kerry

The folks who have been letting the ReThus pretty much do whatever they want...'cause the same folks that fund the ReThugs....

They  luvs them some 'Democrat' Party.

Wake up low-info dude or dudette.

It's far worse than you think.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
So is Hillary...

You are obviously a troll.  Anybody who refers to the party as the "Democrat" party is not a member of it and does not care for the people in it.  Do you see what you've done Jerome?  You've aligned yourself with trolls.  Candidate fervor makes mockeries of us all.

by nklein 2008-05-13 03:17PM | 0 recs
heh,

getting called "low-info dude or dudette" by you...... the mind is boggled.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: &quot;Democrat Party&quot;!

I thought the same thing...

Democrat Party? Standard Rush Limbaugh language.

Either a Republican Troll, or?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-13 03:17PM | 0 recs
Tr'd for calling us the Democrat party...

Do you see what you've done Jerome?  You are now in league with the idiots who refer to us as the [sic] "Democrat" party.

by nklein 2008-05-13 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I agree... and from Jerome to use the term, "our version of Bush"..?  Come on...  are we that devoid of hyperbole at this point that THAT's the only comparison you think to be apt... no other Democrat you find similar...?  

But no, he's not YOUR candidate, so you feel justified in going for the ultimate smear...?

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Look, we have members on THIS site who run this website:

http://777denny.wordpress.com/

And there is no consequences.
Don't be too suprised to hear a site moderator compare our best canidate in HISTORY to the most blood thirsty tyrant our nation has seen since Richard Nixon.

To compare Obama to Bush in any way is either completely juvenile or borderline psycotic, that is if you consider yourself a democrat.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I'll give the benefit of the doubt and say juvenile...

But, that comment (or the entire diary) should be deleted.  

Front page...?  Really....?  Of a progressive blog...?

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No, its easy to see the similarities if you aren't drinking the Obama Kool-aid.

by badu 2008-05-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama
Go ahead.
Give us some.
by Benjaminomeara 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Appeals to 'faith'.....

Ignorance of the existing polities of the countries we are currently occupying...

Being more interested in his campaign than his job as Senator...check his voting record at Progressive Punch...

Oh...wait...

You don't want to go there because they don't agree with your assessment of what would laughingly be called Barry's voting record.

PP ranks Barry 41st most progressive Senator based on his votes....

The Hill 24th....

Jim Webb, DiFi...sheesh DiFi....and Ben Nelson rank more progressive than Senator 'Hopey'.

And not last and not least...

Barry can't keep his foot out of his mouth.

Sounds pretty Bushian to me pal.
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by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Similarities between Bush and Obama
They both wear jeans from time to time.
They have both been photographed wearing cowboy hats
They are both male
They both have 1/2 white blood (of course Bush's other half is also white... but that doesn't mean the first half isn't just a white as Obama's.)
They are both Christians (well, at least Obama is.)
They both live in the United States
They both are going to be ex-presidents someday.  

See... lots of identical characteristics.   I rest my case.  :)

by ruscle 2008-05-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Let me try to be juvenile

I have noticed this for many months now (since Janurary) that Obama is the Democratic version of Bush.

-- uniter, not a divider? check.
-- I don't have Washington experience? check.
-- Press darling? check.
-- end of partisanship, bipartisanship? check.
-- doing something and then accusing your opponent of that? check.

I could go on.  But the important thing is PRESS. Neither Bush, nor Obama would have been here without the press.

That's why the blame for the War, and the mess in America is first with Bush, but a very close second is Press.  I have said it to those (Big Tent Democrat at TalkLeft) who prefer Obama b/c the press likes him (or he plays the press well), and say it again.  Just remember who they are.  

by ghost 2 2008-05-13 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me try to be juvenile

Indeed the very fact that the PRESS luvs them some Barry should give any thoughtful progressive pause.

Really, really should.

I can hear the sounds of millions of head exploding when, having gotten The Bitch out of the way...just as they eliminated JRE, the PRESS does what is has planned all along and uses the Cerebrus of Wright, Rezko and Auchi to utterly destroy Precious.

Heads....popping like popcorn as they realize.....

They've been 'bamboozled'.

Hahhhahaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhahhhaaa!
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by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me try to be juvenile

You really are a complete tosser!

by telfishbackagain 2008-05-13 03:49PM | 0 recs
Didn't you see!?

I totally saw him flip someone off in that video!

/snark

by protothad 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I agree - this isn't really worthy of the front page. All candidates preen and joke and perform for the camera. It's not really a big deal.

by edgeplot 2008-05-13 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

That package looks small to me...just sayin is all.

by zane 2008-05-13 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I wouldn't let anyone make comments about Hillary's breasts or butt, and I won't let you make that.

by vcalzone 2008-05-13 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

TexasDarlin, I hope one day you learn what shame means and that sexism goes both ways.

by vcalzone 2008-05-13 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

tried to change that but system won't let me, sorry

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I can't take my comment back either, so mojo for you. Thank you.

by vcalzone 2008-05-13 03:43PM | 0 recs
Thank you for trying...

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

well he was flaunting it for the press.

by zane 2008-05-13 02:48PM | 0 recs
ah, so

"he was asking for it"?

gotcha

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
Obama haters are like

school on sundays: no class

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Our version of Bush? No. He's not a gun-totin

shot drinker and he's at the head of the class rather than bringing up the rear.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

already saw that video once today, that's enough.

ugh.

by TexasDarlin 2008-05-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Really running out of astute political commentary these days, aren't we?

by rfahey22 2008-05-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
Bush succeeded.

His administration accomplished more neoconservative goals than could possibly be predicted.

So to answer your question, yes.

ps. he's the nominee, deal with it.

by omar little 2008-05-13 02:47PM | 0 recs
This is not what I like about MyDD

Jerome, when are you going to stop this?  Obama is most likely going to be our nominee, and I would really like to see him beat McCain.  Would you?  What do you plan to do to help our nominee win?

by deepee 2008-05-13 02:47PM | 0 recs
Jerome, your hate is showing

might want to cover that up once Obama is the nominee, for the sake of democracy

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome, your hate is showing

Little too late for that.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 03:04PM | 0 recs
heh, point/counterpoint

RLM, you win this round

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Nailed it Jerome....

Many in the threads are now making that direct comparision....

An ignorant dope snorting scion of the fading American dynasty with the brash, dope-snorting gimme-a-pass shuckin' and jivin' descendent of the carpetbaggers catspaws circa 1867.

Not a day goes by that I am not amazed at the ability of the 'sphere to strip away the bullshit to the inner core of the candidates.

Who knew The Hill was a tough, counter-punching infighter ready to to the the mat for her folks.

Who knew that Barry was a glass-jawed, whiner with no real concern for anyone but himself.

Well, we all know it now.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 02:48PM | 0 recs
Heh

worst direct comparison ever.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

Give him a break, he's still suffering from that Athenian plague after 2500 years.

by rfahey22 2008-05-13 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

Yep, got that 'democracy bug bad....' too bad Barry seems immune.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Aw your racism slithered out. How cute.

by RLMcCauley 2008-05-13 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

"many in the threads making that comparison"... well, nice to know the bitterness and vitriol are not just confined to here.

Geez....  if you can honestly, with a straight face, compare Obama to Bush, while the comparison between Bush and McCain is much more appropriate...then I don't know what to say to you....

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Oh, and troll-rated for the third line... you are on a progressive blog and ought to be ashamed to have written that about a Democrat... you aren't I realize, but you should be.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

shuckin' and jivin' ....

Yeah, and he's shifty and lazy too?

Hey Jerome, nice company you're keeping these days?

I saw you and Marcos at a book store in WA when Crashing the Gate came out.

You had better choices in friends then.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-13 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

THIS is why all your comments are getting zeroed in this godawful thread.

by Skaje 2008-05-13 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

That's true, Obama really is just like W.  I mean, after all W was also raised by a single mom, got scholarships to the best schools, made his way to Harvard on his own merits, and then became the first african american to serve as head of the Harvard Law Review.  Before walking away from a guaranteed huge pay check to serve the community.  Yep, that's W all right.

Wait...

by HSTruman 2008-05-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

well, you could have just described Bill Clinton, whom Obamans despise now (flip flop).

But Obama has run a very similar campaign to Bush's, believe it or not.

by Juno 2008-05-13 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I don't despise Bill Clinton. And actually Obama's campaign is a whole lot like the Clinton of 1992.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Agreed.... from a poli sci point of view, the comparisons between Obama and Clinton's ('92) campaigns are numerous...

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
we do know things like this!

glad people remember them!

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Obama doesn't despise Bill and neither do I.  Criticism doesn't = hatred, it means that Bill isn't perfect.  Nobody is.  

Also, are you really arguing that Bill's preisdency wasn't a let down on some level?  He was a good president, but for such a singular political talen he didn't accomplish near as much as a lot of us hoped for in 1992.  

by HSTruman 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I said Obamans, not Obama, and the rhetoric from his supporters toward both Clintons is impossible to tell from Republicans' from the 1990s. That is the only unity I've seen Obama compel, btw.

No president can accomplish everything he or she wants, and Obama will be no different if he's president, and hopefully if he is, he will not have the GOP trying to hound him out of office every second of every day.

But you too sound like Republicans, and I'm sure they're enjoying the newfound 50% of Democrats who suddenly agree with them about Clinton!

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

What a nonresponsive response.  Bill wasn't perfect, and I didn't like some of the things he did.  And losing Congress for the first time in a generation, along with statehouses accross the country, is not a good mark for anyone's resume.  He also did lots of good things.  The idea that saying that makes me, or any other Obama supporter, "like a republican" is laughable.  I mean seriously, whose "drinking Koolaid" when any criticism of someone you like is automatically out of bounds.  Yikes.

by HSTruman 2008-05-14 05:36AM | 0 recs
I criticise Clinton for lying about Inflation

I think that was downright immoral.

But... that's about the only thing I have against him -- and compared to REPUBLICANS? man, there's no contest. We haven't elected an honest Republican since Eisenhower -- who I would have voted for.

by RisingTide 2008-05-14 09:53AM | 0 recs
I respect Bill Clinton

for his principled stand on balancing the budget if nothing else.  There is plenty to like about the Clinton years, but also plenty to criticize.  He caved in to the Republicans in some areas he should not have and deregulated some industries beyond what should have been allowed (with consequences we can see now).

No President, no matter how effective and well loved, is beyond criticism; all leaders make mistakes and it is the duty of those who come after to recognize and learn from them.

by protothad 2008-05-13 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Spot On!

by MissVA 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This diary disgusts me on so many levels.  I might as well be on Red State.

by brathor 2008-05-13 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

It disgusted me too, I'm glad we agree on something.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

How old are you?  

<waits for answer>

THEN ACT LIKE IT.

by map 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Real amazing analysis.  Both have mugged for the cameras, therefore they are the same.

Forget background, ideology, education...

by mikeinsf 2008-05-13 03:09PM | 0 recs
Jerome, I usually like how you run this site...

But was this really necessary?  I wouldn't care if Hillary gave a twirl for the cameras, and neither should anyone care about this.  This is a complete non-issue.  Yeah, the die-hard Obama-haters are going to find a way to see a mortal character flaw in it... which is all the more reason you should rise above feeding such irrational behavior AND ACTUALLY FOCUS ON FREAKIN ISSUES!  Sorry, I'll stop yelling now.

I mean come, on... this is actually our likely nominee you are tearing down with this pointless crap.  Do you actually WANT four more years of Neocon rule?

by protothad 2008-05-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I'm really interested in getting some democrats elected in 2008, which is why I really liked this site. Now, as they say, 'screw this noise.' Off to get banned!

by SupremeCourt 2008-05-13 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

how can you have a (2.00 / 0) rating?

by semiquaver 2008-05-13 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

It probably has something to do with hide-rating Jerome. GBCW!!!

by SupremeCourt 2008-05-13 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I'm zero-rating your post because your diary is so bad it deserves to be deleted.  I expect I'll have my ratings ability removed soon, and probably be banned.  It's okay.  Enjoy the traffic you've gained Jerome by letting the hillaryis44 and noquarter trolls take over your site, WITH your encouragement.

As you can easily tell, my userID number is 4310, and I have been here for four years now.  Most of your current users are over 30,000.  This is both due to the trolls that have invaded, as well as the fact that most of the oldtimers have long-since left in disgust.  This is not the mydd that I remember.

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Jerome's removed all ratings from the users who zero-rated him. A brilliant rebuttal - we've now clearly seen the error of our ways. Thanks for the insight, Jerome.

by jaiwithani 2008-05-13 04:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Yup.  Knew it was coming.  Still worth it though.  This site is a joke.

by Skaje 2008-05-13 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Have a 2 in spirit.

(2.00 / 1)

by jaiwithani 2008-05-13 05:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Have an invisible 4 on me. :)

by Skaje 2008-05-13 06:13PM | 0 recs
say whaaaa??

You're disgusted by your own diary?  That makes no sense whatsoever.

by N in Seattle 2008-05-13 04:10PM | 0 recs
Obama is so much more intelligent

than W.

Jerome is this necessary?

by puma 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama
Seriously Jerome, this is complete junk.  Why did you bother with this?  
Oh, and our own Bush?  Seriously, I know it was sarcasm but lets not even go there.
by iowa dem 2008-05-13 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Not sure what the big deal about this video is, I don't see anything offensive here, but I have seen a lot of similarities to Bush in Obama, from the beginning.

It's kind of creeped me out, but at least Obama isn't sinister like Bush.

by Juno 2008-05-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Bush's defining characteristic is that he's a slow-thinking moron.  Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review.

Charisma isn't bad if it's backed up by smarts.

by jere7my 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

"Charisma isn't bad if it's backed up by smarts."

Exactly!  One of the most ridiculous talking points from the Clinton folk is that having a bit of charisma and giving a good speech is a bad thing.

by mikeinsf 2008-05-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No one said it's a bad thing.  We're saying it doesn't qualify one for the presidency.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You're absolutely right. My point is that Obama has many qualifications that Bush does not, and that the presence or absence of charm is not a litmus test.  Charm is largely irrelevant to the Presidency, so why bring it up?

by jere7my 2008-05-13 09:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Bush's defining characteristic is that he got by on looks and charm all his life.  And he was not qualified to be president, which has given us 8 years of disaster.  Obama is not ready for the presidency but his greed has pushed him into this.  If he had just had the sense to wait until he had at least completed one term as senator, and had some real accomplishments, his candidacy wouldn't be so hard to take.  Another similarity is his aversion to the press.  He has not been very open with the press on his plane.  Do you want another 8 years of that?

by badu 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Do you not see the contradiction...

in calling him a media whore and saying that he has an aversion to the press?  Perhaps you should figure out which b.s. to go with, before you type.  Oh, wait.  I thought you were trying to use reason.  Obviously, I was mistaken.

by nklein 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

My point stands: looks and charm aren't that important when measuring a President.  You can have great good-looking Presidents and great fugly-ass Presidents.  You should ignore them when you make your judgments, yes, but you should not presuppose failure because of their presence.

Bush failed because, among other things, he was a dumb jock with as much depth to his thinking as a skating rink.  His charm helped him to conceal his shallowness, but even in 1999 it was clear to most of us on the left that he was not an intellectual -- that he was, in fact, a C-student oilman who happened to be related to the VP of a popular President.

Obama is also charming, I agree.  But his charm is backed up by a depth of intellect that's frankly staggering.  He's given us two books worth of proof.  He's demonstrated his quick thinking, and his deep thinking, on the campaign trail. He's a constitutional scholar, for Pete's sake. That is sufficient, in my eyes, to take any statements like "He's got nothing behind the charm, just like W!" off the table.

Since he's going to be our nominee, I think Jerome's linking of Obama to Bush is divisive, disingenuous, and bad for the party.

by jere7my 2008-05-13 07:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Did you know you don't exist?

Yep, read some of the other comments here responding to mine about the large, large numbers of comments throughout the 'sphere were people are talking about how much Barry reminds them of Bush.

The explanation....

Many here are ignorant.

Ignorant of the facts. Ignorant of what folks who are not addicted to the Kool-Aid are thinking and saying.

Man....

The hangover is gonna be a bitch.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

The only ignorant one in this thread would be you actually...But I'm just basing that on your previous comments.... you know... the facts at hand.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Frat site

What's with this crap on the front page?  Some great diaries go down without anyone reading them, and you know this is going to get hundreds of comments.  Not sure about anyone's judgment these days I guess.  There's a whole diary with half the comments about Chapaquiddick.  There's this joke of a clip.  There're articles about the environment and criminal justice and the military that go down without a splash.  

I don't get it.

by mady 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Bitter Jerome

Do we really have to have to nominate our version of Bush?

Uncalled for.

by you like it 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
To quote a trailblazer

Jerome, please elaborate with detail what you mean by this.

I assuming 20 different things.

Also, did I just hear you compare Obama and Bush?

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I get the feeling that this is the post that's going to kill off whatever credibility you still had left as a serious commentator on American politics.

by Barrett Brown 2008-05-13 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

There is something very very wrong with the whole tone this post.  Something way too personally upset.  There is no distance, no judgment, just hate.

by mady 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
I agree

Dare we say... Bitter?

by duende 2008-05-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I agree

I think we dare.

by mady 2008-05-13 03:52PM | 0 recs
Jesus
I wonder which media trainer told him to put that leg up. Here's 50 bucks that we see the 'how do I look in these', 'turn around, let me see your butt' and leg up in an ad, somewhere- assuming Obama gets the nod.
by linc 2008-05-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Jesus

Give him a break, he's trying to win the cougars over!

by venician 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
can we test
that by counting how many write raaaar! after their vote for Obama on their ballot?
by linc 2008-05-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
You are totally uncredible.

Totally.

by tracey webb 2008-05-13 02:53PM | 0 recs
I can't believe how many posters are

attacking Jerome for this.  Pull the mote out of your own eye first.  It is the low brow way of the Obama supporters that destroyed reasonable progressive dialogue in the blogosphere.

In case you all need a primer - here you go

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/05/clinton_campaign_brought_sexis .html

At this point I think Jerome is literally trying to bail out a party that is about to hurl itself over a cliff with a weak nominee the year we should be trouncing the Republicans.  You think McCain's staff won't be using this video?

by Molee 2008-05-13 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I can't believe how many posters are

Ahh, I see, so by saying Obama is "our version of Bush", Jerome is restoring "reasonable progressive dialogue in the blogsphere."

Sort of like this post:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/07/ i-call-a-spade-a-spade/

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos . . .

Oh, that's right, I don't.  Because Kos editors have standards, whether their candidate is up or down.  And I don't recall a frontpager that came close to comparing Hillary Clinton (or Obama, or any other Dem candidate back when most Kossacks supported Edwards) to W.

Again, I expect to see stuff like this from random users in comments, and even a few crazy diaries, but the front page?

Pathetic.

by Spirit of Fighting Bob 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos .

Your kidding right?  DailyKos has posted much worse on Hillary.

by badu 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: When I see tripe like this on FP at DailyKos .

Uh huh. I see. I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason you couldn't be bothered to provide a link or anything. Just keep repeating "but THEY did it first!" Also, I'm glad you're sticking up for the "but they started it!" defense - I haven't tried that one since I was in third grade.

by SupremeCourt 2008-05-13 03:30PM | 0 recs
Not on the front page - the editors have stds.

by Spirit of Fighting Bob 2008-05-13 04:09PM | 0 recs
so why is Obama ahead of McSame by 7

Obama v McSame 51-44

Clinton v McSame 46-43

Listening to you, it should be the other way around.

you're hero, with her 390 years of experience, is tied by McSame.  Some savior, she is.

And, she's $20,000,000 in debt.  HA!  Some savior.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: so why is Obama ahead of McSame by 7

Look at the top of the page, pal.

See those maps?

Not just pretty pictures.

Check numbers on maps....

These are the numbers that matter.

Not raw national polling numbers.

Pull yer head out and realize what site you are on and what  it was founded on.

.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:31PM | 0 recs
so you don't have an answer

why is Hillary polling so badly, in overnight polling?  

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: so why is Obama ahead of McSame by 7

Look at the top of the page, pal.

See those maps?

Not just pretty pictures.

Check numbers on maps....

These are the numbers that matter.

Not raw national polling numbers.

Pull yer head out and realize what site you are on and what  it was founded on.

.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:36PM | 0 recs
Tunnel Vision

Jerome,

I have been a regular reader of MyDD for a long time. I am also an Obama supporter. Truth be told, for the most part I appreciate the fact that you and Todd and co. provide a perspective on the race that is not skewed by an overly idealistic view of Obama's candidacy.

But I have to be perfectly honest: I think your disdain for Obama has grown over the months to unreasonable proportions. I think it's the function of 1) what you perceive to be unfair attacks/criticisms/etc. on Hillary and 2) what you perceive to be unduly positive assessments of Obama and "the promise his candidacy holds."

Let's get real, though: "our version of Bush?"

Obama is not a dilettante. He is not a phony any more than Sen. Clinton is. They are more similar than they are different. He has a different organizational perspective and approach to politics in general (as in, she is more confrontational) and personal relations.

I think maybe you should revisit some of the core substantive things that drew you to Clinton in the first place. Perhaps make that a front page post: this is why I still believe this country needs Clinton. I know you outlined that rationale extensively a few months ago, but I think you are getting caught up in the process and losing your perspective.

Short of that, maybe just try to draw back a little and think--what would you say if Obama supporters were using similar issues (the jeans and a joking comment about flash) to criticize Clinton?

by lafftaff02 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

What planet to you live on?

Obama supporters biggest problem with Hillary, after the fact that she is 'in the way' of his ascension to POTUS, is the fact that she....

Well...

She's a woman. If you think this is harsh you need to take another look around. Start with Keith Olbermann's suggestion that the SDs beat Hillary to death.

And descend from there.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

I am a woman and I support Obama, as have the majority of women under 65.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
EXCUSE ME?!
You did not seriously just declare all Obama supporters sexist...  
You know my number one problem with Cliton?  Its the way she has ran her campaign.  My number two?  That she does not have the grace to bow out of this and is hurting our chances in Nov by staying in.  
Where does the fact that she's a woman come in?  
NEVER!  Just as the fact that Obama is black does not come into my reasons for supporting him.
Good god, get off your high horse and stop making these statements.  
by iowa dem 2008-05-13 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: EXCUSE ME?!

I get troll rated for taken offense that someone made a generalization that all Obama supporters are sexist?  

by iowa dem 2008-05-13 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

So now she lost because she's a women? And you talk about us drinking the kool aid.

by venician 2008-05-13 03:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

Another idiotic comment that deserves a troll-rate...

You seem to be on something of a roll here.

by JenKinFLA 2008-05-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

I was a Clinton supporter who moved to Obama. I would have supported Clinton over Edwards. I would have supported Clinton over McCain. Yeah, we are all sexist.  

by babbitt 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

Bull. Stop it with the crap sexism accusations. Lord knows how many times I've voted for Boxer and Feinstein, and I'd love to vote for a woman for President. My problem with HRC is the AUMF vote and all the betrayals that followed, not her gender.  The victim card played on either side is pretty weak.

(and, yes I'm aware that Feinstein's a similar sell-out like Clinton.  Unfortunately, there's been no credible opponent in years)

by mikeinsf 2008-05-13 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Tunnel Vision

and the innumerable pantsuit jokes and other sexist comments.

by badu 2008-05-13 03:27PM | 0 recs
Mediawhores Online...

Sigh...
Whenever I hear their name I get a case of the weepies.  I haven't been the same since they closed up shop.

No one has succeeded in taking their place.

by Radiowalla 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
THIS Warrants The Front Page??

Comparing Obama to Bush?  I'd expect to see that in comments, but a FP?  Wow.

Is mydd still considered a top-tier progressive blog?  Maybe not.

by Spirit of Fighting Bob 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
&quot;top tier progressive blog&quot;

only in the minds of some.

a steadily diminishing number.

by rabidnation 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
It;s Too Bad, Really

Because the FP articles here sometimes have interesting and insightful reporting and commentary (the rec list used to, but now it seems to be All Primaries All The Time -- I have hope that will pass).  We shall see if mydd recovers, but this is discouraging.

by Spirit of Fighting Bob 2008-05-13 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: THIS Warrants The Front Page??

The key words here are "the Democrats' Bush", and Jerome is correct about that.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:18PM | 0 recs
&quot;our version of bush&quot;

words come to mind:

deluded. petty. small. paltry. meager. bereft. pointless. infantile. cheap.

you seem to have really, really run out of ideas.

by rabidnation 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Probably the same media trainer that coached him on this shot:

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Right, because Sen. Clinton is the most genuine person ever, and has never posed for publicity shots.    Nice double standard.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

The difference is that we KNOW Clinton panders and admit it while Obamans actually believe the stuff about Obama not being politics as usual or acting in politically expedient ways, and they deny it.

The other difference is that Clinton isn't running on a campaign of changing all that.  Obama is.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

That's a wee bit silly.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

It actually isn't.  IT's quite substantive, in fact.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

[Slams head into desk].

Obama is a politician.  I'm aware he plays politics.  I'm sure the majority of Obama supporters are aware of it as well.  Do I think he plays it less than Clinton?  Yes.  Could I be wrong?  Yes.  

Yeesh.

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No, I've been aware of it from the beginning, but his campaign, and he, deny it outright.

What was the ONE thing Obama finally got upset with Rev. Wright about, again?  His saying he's just a politician like all others.

You cannot have it both ways, although the Obama camp seems to think they can, and perhaps they can.

Bushlike.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

We can't say that the guy we is more principled than other politicians?

Well, this might be a bit flip, but: YES WE CAN!  :)

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
Just 3 more weeks and this will be over

I can't wait!!!!

by puma 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I got a "this video is no longer available"

by JustJennifer 2008-05-13 02:58PM | 0 recs
Incendiary recipes

Tense time. Lots of hot air around. Tempers flare. The party is combustible. They look for leadership...

One of the founders of the progressive net roots movement gets some cheap gasoline from youtube, a spark of an ad hominem attack and...

whoosh

Burns his own reputation.

Great stuff. Check out those Election Night Hillary supporter diaries where Obama supporters are congratulation Hillary supporters, and wonder whether you need to learn something from your own community.

by duende 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Please ban me.  Thank you.

by enozinho 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Me too

I've been sitting on my ominously titled "final warning" demanding I "change my tone" because of this post for more than 6 weeks now.

I used to value this site in my daily read, and since I honestly couldn't see what was so bad about that post -- I figured it was best I stayed away.

But with this?

Screw it.

Ban me, too.

Want a reason?

Fine.

JEROME - If Obama is "our George W Bush" -- you're "our" Dick Morris.

by zonk 2008-05-13 04:59PM | 0 recs
Jerome...

Have you noticed the childish ugly tone from the Hillary supporters that follows your every post?  Any guesses why that happpens?

by map 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

Take a stroll on over to HuffPo to get a glimpse of the rhetoric of the inspired, hopeful, change-wanting Obama unicorns.

Ick.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

We aren't on HuffPo.  This is MyDD, and I find it sad that the lowest troll on the site also happens to be the owner.

by map 2008-05-13 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

This is typical Obama:

Make a critical accusation, implying that the negative trait is limited to Clinton or her supporters, then when it's pointed out that Obamans behave in a similar and often worse way, decide that  "we are not talking about Obamans."

Well, of course not!  

I'd have pretty good arguments if I could also limit criticism solely to Obama!  That is another Bush-like trait in the Obama camp, btw.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Excuse me for saying this - but what the hell is wrong with you?

Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review. You have to be incredlbly smart and hard-working to hold that position. Normally the Editor gets a position right after law school working with a Supreme Court Justice. These are absolutely the best legal minds in the country.  And you're comparing him to Bush?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Not in brains, not in platforms, not in philosophy, but in style and in what he's brought out in his supporters, yes.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Obama's supporters are more willing to vote for Clinton than Clinton's are to vote for him. To me that suggests that Obama's supporters are more willing to see the good in the opposing candidate.

And how exactly is his style like Bush's?  You've given no examples and I can't think of any.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

To me it suggests that Clinton was more successful in bringing back the white, male, blue collar voter Dems lost to Repubs years ago but who will go back to McCain because they perceive Obama as being too liberal and too drastic a change, too unknown.

I see similarities like the deification of the candidate; the candidate being above the fray and talking about unity while his surrogates get down into the dirt; their arguing AGAINST counting votes; using Rovian tactics, ie: turning as asset into a liability (accusing the Clintons of being racist and race baiting); the campaign photos shot from below to give Obama an aura of divinity...

I've seen a lot of disturbing similarities.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Absolute crap. In the national polls and in the comments of superdelegates, it's Clinton who is identified as the more negative of the two.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You really believe that?

Then how do you square that with Mr. Knowledgable's voting to 'allow' credit card companies 'cap' their late fees at 30%.

I'd have to say that based on our nation's performance the last...oh....40 years led by the graduates of Harvard, Yale and the rest of the Ivy League along with George Washington and many other institutes of 'higher learning' that being President of a student run org there really isn't very indicative of any sort of competence.

Or did you forget that Bush got an MBA from Harvard Business School.

I reckons me that that is one of them 'singularities' you'd jes as soon as fergit.

Right pal?
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Junk sad diary. Grow up you whiner.

by MissVA 2008-05-13 02:59PM | 0 recs
I think Jerome might be shutting MyDD down?

Why else would he post this damning diary.

I can't believe what I just heard, I hope this is Snark or some joke.

Maybe it is just for controversy just to make more hits or to bring peeps from other blogs here.

Maybe his account was hacked, I didn't think of that.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Bottom of Barrel, meet scraper. Scraper, say hello to the bottom of the barrel.

by xdem 2008-05-13 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I don't think this diary, or this site, represent the best of what the Clinton campaign offered. Really, you guys are just pathetic right now. Try to lose with dignity, please. Your side ran a good race.

by Clipper 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Heh, got all the Obama people's knickers in a twist Face it guys, those JFK/MLK/Lincoln/Jesus comparisons are made not begotten.

by souvarine 2008-05-13 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

If any of these people had MyDD around they would have been labeled as sexist mediawhores too.

by brathor 2008-05-13 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

If you click on the About MyDD link on the bottom right of the page, here's the first sentence you'll find:

MyDD is a group blog designed to discuss campaigns, the progressive movement, and political power. We do polling, research, commentary, analysis, and activism.

A front page video post, supported by all of three full sentences--one of which compares the Democratic frontrunner to the worst POTUS in history--is somehow in keeping with what MyDD is supposed to be about?

by fogiv 2008-05-13 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This is the only blog I've found that actually allows people to post their opinions, isn't moderated like the Chinese gov't. (or the Bush Admin.) is doing the censoring (see Talkleft), but is pretty civil nonetheless (unlike HuffPo), and FDL is a very intelligent site and very civil...until you express support for Clinton, then you see their dander and double standards (okay to bash Hillary over there, but it's called 'poo flinging' if you merely express an opinion as to why you think Obama isn't the wiser choice, and they're hypersensitive as to what is civil and what isn't.  

I'm new here, but mydd seems to have the right balance.  Glad I found it.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Welcome to MyDD!

There is some measure of civil discourse to be found here, but it comes and goes.  Respectful dissenting opinion should be welcomed, but baseless lies, racist screeds, and

If all out racist echo chamber poo-flinging is your bag, try Hilaryis44.org.

by fogiv 2008-05-13 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I support you although you can get a hearing at The Conluence....

All the Barry is Ignorant you want at NoQuarter

and some very fine antisexist analysis at

Anglacher's Journal.

Now if any of you Obama supporters are thinking...

'What fun to go to those sites and fuck with 'the girls'.

Be warned: They will rip you a new one. They're a lot less mellow than this site towards.....

THOSE WHO THINK BECAUSE SOMEONE DISAGREES WITH YOU YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE.

And yes I do yell upon occasion but...

That's because Obamacans do not listen well...

....if at all.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

What a joke you've become, Jerome.

by DeskHack 2008-05-13 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama
Definitely a relative of the Mission Accomplished crotch straps.
I'm so impressed.  Manly arrogance is my number one presidential requirement.
by oh puhleeze 2008-05-13 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I've avoided commenting on mydd for awhile (probably since Bowers left), but this is just over-the-top, Jerome.  It's being incendiary to remain relevant.

by ChgoSteve 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Holy crap - look at my comment right below yours...I too have stayed away from commenting recently.

by Newcomer 2008-05-13 03:04PM | 0 recs
Huh?

This diary really raises the question of MyDD's ability to be relevant should Obama become the democratic nominee.

by Newcomer 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
There is No Way

There is No Way Jerome wrote this.

You can't tell someone who runs a blog and has been part of netroots for years would make a 3 line attack diary on his own site.

Either his account was hacked, or he lost his mind.

I mean, he broke his own rules with this diary.

Again, I can't beleive Jerome actually wrote this.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Paging Arthur Fonzarelli...

MyDD may have just jumped the shark with that one.

Comparing a non-blue dog democrat to Bush is like a subset of Godwin's law.  And that applies to Obama fans as well, for what its worth.

by quixote27 2008-05-13 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This is embarrassing. I'm sure you would be able to go run the show at RedState or LGF if the democratically elected nominee of the Democratic party is show disgusting to you, Jerome. What of those rumors that all this bitterness is because he wouldn't give you a job?

MyDD: A new low. Daily.

by craigk724 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama
I think I know the trick pulling. He wants to draw all the Obama supporters into the pit and then he can shut the clap door on us.
Ban Ban Ban!
by MissVA 2008-05-13 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Well good job Jerome - you just lost a mydd reader. This was my favorite blog since Adam came to OH-1, but I'm done with you attacking the Democratic nominee.

I'll delete my account after posting this comment.

by belili 2008-05-13 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

A new low. Even for this site.

by MissVA 2008-05-13 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

So who is gonna cross post this to other blogs.

Its gonna get out there.

Look, I have said some embaressing things where my emotion oversteped my logic.

I could reread comments and blogs and admit I sound silly.

BUT,    you will never see me saying a Democrat, let alone any decent human being would ever compare to Bush.

George W Bush might be Americas' greatest enemy.
He has destroyed our country more effectively than Bin LAden could only dream off.

I guarantee you in the best case scenario Bush will be remembered as Nixon,  for me he's no better than any other tyranical dictator.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You only betray your ignorance with this sort of statement. The 'spere is a huge place and there are all sorts of folks in it.

And if you went and looked, as I have, you'd see many, many, many comments in the threads to the effect that...

'Yes, Barry does remind this commenter of Bush. Because......'

I'm not going to list the reasons because I don't think they all make sense. But....

Some do.

Choose to remain ignorant if you and the rest here who 'cannot believe...yadda and yadda....' wish...

You just look stupid when you make such assertions.
.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 03:59PM | 0 recs
Thanks Perez

Any more fashion tips?

by thenew 2008-05-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
do you really get paid to write this shit?

cause i want that job.

by omar little 2008-05-13 03:08PM | 0 recs
Clinton Supporters Please

It would be terrific if some of her supporters rallied around this being an ridiculous and inappropriate way of treating Obama, in the same way I would hope that if a similar piece on Hillary was presented, there would be Obama supporters of good will protesting it.  

by mady 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Jerome is just a little behind the stages of grief....

Some here are in denial, i.e. "she STILL can win..."

Some are bargaining, "she can be VP?"

Jerome is seemingly in the anger phase, and as OR gets closer, he will probably even top this?

Really the kind of crap I expect on KOS against Clinton, but I guess it all evens out?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-13 03:10PM | 0 recs
Weak Sauce

Really
you think Markos would be so low as to write this.

This is beyond Anger,  this diary makes me not trust Jerome anymore as a Democrat.

He allows Republicans to post propoganda, Check out that ChiDenny guy.

Yesterday there was a thread posted by some Aryan nation neo-nazi-wannabe group.  The thread sat here for 2 hours.

After ALOT of emails, and almost 200 comments it was removed.

Someone put up a recipie on how to make brownies as an ironic joke and that was removed in 10 minutes.

Jerome willfully banned people in mass 2 weeks ago simply because they were Obama supporters.

Go ahead and ban me Jerome, I could give a shit.
Coming from you, since you run this site from the top down (to quote a great politician) I should feel relieved to not deal with the militant wing of the DLC.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Weak Sauce

No, NOT KOS, but I have seen some crap at the DK?

If you look above, I posted about seeing Jerome and Marcos on the "Crashing the Gates" tour.

And, I commented, I thought Jerome was keeping better company then, compared to the Pericles poster on this thread.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-13 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Weak Sauce

Ok that is understandable,  we will always see crap, its the internet.

Oh Jerome, thanks for removing my rec and TR privledges,
Im touched because at least you are paying attention.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Weak Sauce

Thanks for the compliment...and coming from a low-info sort like you that it is.

.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Weak Sauce

Keep on Shuckin and Jivin', Pericles....

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-13 04:06PM | 0 recs
I think it's becoming obvious

That this site isn't about getting a Democrat elected but rather driving up traffic with the sort of randomly mean things that get the attention of people off-site and which increase hits.

That this site isn't about being intelligent but being immature.

Where are the posts on the front page about tonight's special elections in Mississippi? Or the Kleeb primary in Nebraska?

Or half the things that an intelligent member would engage in rather than posting something I don't even understand.

What did Obama do that was so bad is what I don't get?

He twirled around? Did he say something? Or do something that makes him George W. Bush?

Last time I checked, people like to goof around. I lecture at a university but I still like goofing around.

I really don't understand this. I haven't been unfair to Senator Clinton when she does silly things - but you, someone who speaks for a site - has engaged in that.

I guess it's acceptable now to do that on this site.

Cool.

by Lord Hadrian 2008-05-13 03:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I'm not usually in the ---- Derangement Syndrome thing but I hereby nominate Jerome as the first once normal blogger who has come down with the dreaded ODS.  You should backup slowly from the keyboard and have a nice shot of whiskey.

by GobBluth 2008-05-13 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You're going off the deep end Jerome.  Really losing it man, it's sad to see.  I know a lot of your readers here will hop on the Straight Talk express once Clinton concedes, but I'd hope that you at least would avoid joining them.

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

It's certainly easy to see where the nasty, dismissive, doomsday, condescending tone about Obama comes from on this site - right from the top.  

Jerome, I loved your book, but you've lost your marbles.

by travelerkaty 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Dammit, Obama's showing his humanity

and appeal to superficial voters - NooooOoooooooOoooo. MUST BE ALL SERIOUS ALL THE TIME.

by grass 2008-05-13 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Your update is perhaps even more moronic than the original diary.  At least the original diary didn't pretend to be making a legitimate point.

by rfahey22 2008-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Hey Jerome,

You own this sight right? You make money off of it I assume?

You just lost a loyal reader. This really sets the bar low, and you have really lost any credibility in my eyes. Commentary, criticism, etc are all valid, but this crap is deserving of a troll rating as far as I'm concerned. You can take your "our version of Bush" and shove it. You apparently have nothing of substance left to add to the debate.

Kiss my white working class ass.

by AllergicToBS 2008-05-13 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

RIP MYDD

by Bargeron 2008-05-13 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This is not a diary becoming the supposed nature of this site.  Embarrassing.

by Lawyerish 2008-05-13 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I love that the update begins "Heh."  Pretty soon he'll be adding "indeed" and getting the linklove from Instapundit and Drudge.  

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:22PM | 0 recs
ooops

I'm outta the loop, what do the references mean.

thnks in advance.
:)

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-13 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: ooops

Well, not sure quite how out of the loop, so to explain everything, Instapundit is the king of the rightwing sphere.  But he's not much for the analysis.  Instead, he just quotes something and writes "Heh.  Indeed."  A lot of liberal blogs, like Atrios, mocked him for that.

by bosdcla14 2008-05-13 03:59PM | 0 recs
MyDD has officially jumped the shark

I'm outta here. There's not enough substance left to justify increasing Jerome's pagerank.

by jaiwithani 2008-05-13 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I've figured out based on this post what this site is going to be like for the next 8+ years.

Until the Convention - Clinton should be the nominee!!!  What if MI & FL would have counted!!!  Clinton would do better than Obama against McCain!!!  The SDs can switch anytime, there's still a chance!!!

After the Convention - Why isn't Obama doing this?  Why is he doing that?  Hillary would have done this and that better.  We're doomed in November with Obama!!  WHY? WHY? WHY?

After Obama is elected President until 2010 - Hillary would have done this better.  Hillary would done this.  Hillary's better!!!

Or After Obama loses to McCain because  thousands of Clinton supporters stay home - We told you so!!! We told you so!!!  McCain sucks.  He's running the economy into the ground, he's not getting us out of Iraq, he's not doing anything about global warming, he's appointed two more conservative supreme court justices.  But we told you so!!!!

Comparing Obama to arguably one of our worst Presidents is absolutely disgusting.  You should be ashamed of yourself.

Every Democrat should denounce and reject this diary!!!!

by chewie5656 2008-05-13 03:23PM | 0 recs
Has this been Cross Posted yet?

Jerome is obviously so proud of the intelligent discourse he just started Im sure he can't wait for the other blogs to see what the Site Admin is writing here.

I would like to see how other blogs view the brilliant discussion here.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Everyone relax.

Let Jerome get in his one liners, he only has a few more weeks to do it.  We can give him his last hurrah.

Oh, and when Obama officially wins the nomination, try your best not to throw it in his face.

by Boshwok840 2008-05-13 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

That should be very easy for inspired, hopeful, changing uniters!

Right?

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Hell I think I might just pack it up for a few weeks until Clinton concedes, then I'll come back to watch the fireworks here.  I figure most of the trolls will announce they're starting a fundraising drive for McCain, they'll put it on the rec list, Jerome will leave it on the rec list for most of the day before finally deleting it, and then maybe this site will get some of its respect back.  Or not.

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No.  Not any more.  Jerome wants to be a progressive leader.  He wants to help build progressive politics in America.  

He needs to act like a leader and not act like a child. I'm pretty sure at this point he doesn't care, but there are a LOT of people who used to frequent this site that have been turned off by his postings and comments over the last 9 months or so... Kos has been doing the same thing except with a different candidate and BOTH have lost a lot of standing and respect because of the way they have been acting.  

Bowers and Stoller are both supporting Obama.  Yes as all bloggers do, they piss some people off, but most people who frequent MyDD, Openleft, Kos, Huffington, etc respect them.  I miss the Crashing the Gates Jerome who posted rational, well thought out posts trying to make us better as a party and as progressives.  That Jerome went to work on Mark Warner's campaign and came back a different person.  A person who not only seems to have lost the rationality and passion, but someone who just turned into a nasty person on this site.  

I'm ok with him criticizing Obama's stances or making well thought out arguments on why he thinks another candidate is a better choice.  But the attack posts or the posts such as this one that if done by ANY user of this site would be called a trolling diary are not acceptable.  When the guy who runs the sites starts acting like a troll, he has shown he has lost his way.  Maybe he needs a vacation or a break, but regardless, I'd like the old Jerome back... the Jerome I respected as much as anyone in politics.  

by yitbos96bb 2008-05-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
My goodness Jerome


   you've really lost it when it comes to this race.

  I swear, if Obama kissed his wife, you'd complain he was pandering to the family values crowd.

  Unbelievable!

by southernman 2008-05-13 03:26PM | 0 recs
This just embarrasing

I used to think this site was going down the toilet in spite of Jerome... now I think it's because of him. Seriously... he's our version of Bush because he does a bit of kidding around with the media?

I don't know if you realize this, Jerome, but presidential candidates need to ingratiate themselves to the reporters covering the campaign. Nothing worse then being followed by a bunch of people who hate you, whose job it is to tell everyone else what you are doing, saying and thinking.

You can bet your ass that McCain is running around trying to kiss some press behind. He invited them to his house for BBQ. It would be irresponsible of any candidate to not try to have some camaraderie with his press core. The fact that he's willing to show some humor, make fun of himself, and goof around with these people is a HUGE plus, and you're trying to spite him for it?

by Tatan 2008-05-13 03:27PM | 0 recs
Heh, great update

"it is what it is I'm afraid"

That line speaks volumes, Jerome, about you.  You posting this, and mocking Obama as similar to the vacuous Bush, certainly "is what it is."

You're like Jetblue Airlines: no class.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-13 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Yeah, Obama definitely gave Hillary the bird in this video.  What a childish jerk!  He knew what he was doing!

by thatpurplestuff 2008-05-13 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I watched the video 3 times and can't figure out why everyone is so pissed?

You hate him that much that anything he does brings out the hate even more?

Man, Jerome I loved Crashing the Gate and was inspired to become a PC in my district because of you and Markos. The day the nominee is selected that sign will be in my front yard and I'll be walking, and donating to the nominee.

But this crap doesn't become you or MyDD AT ALL! Obama is really so heinous a candidate that he needs to be destroyed?

I voted for Hillary in the AZ primary but she is losing the race and it's no one's fault but her own. She's the New England Patriots with all the talent and the cash to start and the guy who had the strategy and learned the lessons of Howard Dean and the failures of Penn, Shrum and the DLC is eating her lunch.

Blame the politicos in FL and MI for screwing with the primaries in a presidential election year. I think there should be a more equitable system of rotating primaries but let's work it out when there's a lot less at stake.

This video is grasping for straws and I expect more from this site.

by TimO 2008-05-13 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

extremely well said.

I used to come here for awesome political analysis.  It really went south after Bowers and Stoller left.  Thats not necessarily a potshot at the people who are left (I think Jon and Todd do some great work) but this is just sad.

by quixote27 2008-05-13 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Geez, chill out, everyone.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:32PM | 0 recs
Jerome...

you are an ass.

by rebop 2008-05-13 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

Inspired by Obama?

That change is a-comin'!

Not.

by Juno 2008-05-13 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

No, Jerome is awesome.

He banns and restricts accounts of people he doesn't like.

This site will soon be as irrelevant as TaylorMarsh.

Its just sad that with the top down strategy here is that if the sites founder jumps the shark, by proxy the whole site does.

It's funny how ONE post can make all of his work completly irrelevant.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Jerome...

My reply was to the a presumably Obama inspired, hopeful, change-wanting Obama supporter calling another person an ass.

by Juno 2008-05-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
I call it like I see it.

This is a sorry excuse for a Dem site. I realize he still thinks there Hillary has a chance to win, but personal attacks on the likely Dem nominee are stupid and counterproductive. This site has become an irrelevant cesspool, which is sad considering it's proud history. And Jerome is an ass. Plain and simple.

by rebop 2008-05-13 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Clearly this video proves that Obama is exactly the same as the guy who led the country into war based on lies.

by vinc 2008-05-13 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Low Class Jerome.  I expect this crap from users on the site.  You are supposed to be a leader on the blogs and a leader in the progressive movement.... Yet you fail to act like it with crap like this.  YOU BLASTED the media and the republicans for saying and pulling this shit with Edwards then you give credence to this type of stupidity when you post crap like this.  

Quit acting like a petulant child, start acting like an adult and the progressive leader you are supposed to be.... not like a spoiled child who starts throwing a week long tantrum because he didn't get his way.

by yitbos96bb 2008-05-13 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Waiting for Jerome to close comments, or even delete the diary.  This is an embarrassing post for him.

Also,

by Skaje 2008-05-13 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

LOL @ that picture, omg.

by soros 2008-05-14 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Let me be clear about something. This is an acceptable diary, but progressives discussing the reality of racism in this country -- an issue important to progressives for many decades -- is off limits?

by politicsmatters 2008-05-13 03:43PM | 0 recs
You've figured it out. eom

by kellogg 2008-05-13 05:27PM | 0 recs
A comment on your update
Not everyone who thinks this was an asinine post is an Obama supporter.  I voted for Edwards in my primary even though he had dropped out long before.  If there was a front page post on DK calling Hillary a Democratic Ann Coulter, I would be disgusted by that too.
You're really better than this and mydd doesn't deserve it.  This blog isn't all about you, Jerome.  
by ChgoSteve 2008-05-13 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Yuck.  We need some estrogen in the Whitehouse.

by Si Ella Puede 2008-05-13 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

we had some, her name was Monica.

by venician 2008-05-13 04:06PM | 0 recs
Jerome

you are really trending towards Ben Smith territory,  is your dislike of Obama that strong that you are becoming a hack like he is?

by Student Guy 2008-05-13 03:52PM | 0 recs
its a giant clusterf*#k

want some input from noquarters?

"Michelle Obama needs to learn how to run her own house before angling for the White House. I guess hubby Obama is bored with Michelle."

"I know. Michelle Obama needs to learn to run her own house. Daddy is looking for some free press at Michelle's expense."

Sounds somehow strangely familiar...

by standd 2008-05-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This site is a now a joke. What a ridiculous smear post. All of a sudden I thought I was on Michellemalkin.com.

by Graham1979 2008-05-13 03:55PM | 0 recs
Preening?

Have you lost your mind?  All I see is a homemade video of Obama talking on a cell phone.  No media, no preening.

by Chango 2008-05-13 03:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Bye-Bye Jerome.  Good luck to Todd and Jonathan who are bloggers that I respect and who happen to be Democrats.  I can't imagine what the Clintons promised you but it must've been good.  

I stopped giving page hits to Taylor and I'm gonna stop giving them to you.  

by Hope08 2008-05-13 03:59PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters and their Orwellian Newspeak

by Lirwin2
'There is a word in Newspeak,' said Syme, 'I don't know whether you know it: duckspeak, to quack like a duck. It is one of those interesting words that have two contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it is abuse, applied to someone you agree with, it is praise.' -1984

-When Barack Obama does it, it's reaching out, when Hillary does it it's pandering

-When Barack Obama does it, it's mis-speaking when Hillary does it it's lying

-When Barack Obama does it, it's bringing race to the forefront, when Hillary does it it's racist

-When Barack Obama does it, it's changing washington, when Hillary does it it's throwing long-time Dems under the bus

-When Barack Obama does it, it's because he's willing to work across the aisle, when Hillary does it it's because she's a conservative

You may now commence with the typical "Thoughtcrime against the party = death" crap that we've all come to expect from the nutroots these days.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis cuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum= 132&topic_id=5949984&mesg_id=594 9984

by observer5 2008-05-13 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters and their Orwellian Newspeak

BINGO!!!

by Juno 2008-05-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters and their Orwellian Newspeak

Absolutely right on the money.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 04:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama supporters and their Orwellian Newspeak

Amen! And another abuse of Zero ratings by Skaje

by KnowVox 2008-05-13 04:35PM | 0 recs
So who else got banned/restricted tonite

It seems when ever Jerome gets mad he starts restricting people witout any reason or warning.

Oh well, I am tired of being afraid of Jerome.

I see the trick in his "account restricting"

It allows him to keep getting hits and comment activity but keep his reclist pristine and to his agenda.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: So who else got banned/restricted tonite

Hmmm. I lost a couple of recs on my comments and suspect some users have been 'disappeared'. But have no fear, a new sock puppet is always near.

by duende 2008-05-13 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Another Bush trait: hubris.

Obama's supporters cannot understand how anyone could support Hillary and have no tolerance for it.

And btw, it's Obamans who need to get over her loss. They're pulling the Karl Rove "I don't want to just defeat them, I want to leave them bloodied" thing.

Gracious winning is a good thing.

Psst: telling someone to "grow the fuck up" seems contraObaman to me.

by Juno 2008-05-13 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Another Bush trait:  mockery

Jerome sure has that one down.

And you talk about 'gracious winning' on this site?  After this post?  On this night?  

Unreal.

by map 2008-05-13 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I can totally understand how someone could support Clinton. The 90's were good times. We're long past due for a female president. And while not experienced in the traditional sense, she's bound to have picked up a lot simply by being so close to the other Clinton. She's brilliant, confrontational, and has access to the amazing network the Clintons have been building for close to two decades.

That said, I think she'd be a sub-par nominee, for reasons I'm not going to go into here. Point is, I can completely understand why some people would back Clinton, though I've been a fervent Obama supporter for over a year.

by jaiwithani 2008-05-13 04:21PM | 0 recs
I am another

who will NEVER come to this site again.

by Bluebeard 2008-05-13 04:06PM | 0 recs
I miss Media Horse also

where did they go?  You know there were rumors that it was Carville and Begalla running that site.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-13 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I miss Media Horse also

Two stand up Democrats,  one of them even spied for the RNC.

And the same one married a Republican strategist.

Wow, great guys all around.

I hope Obama returns Carville's check, I will never forgive him for working for the republicans, and he calls elected officials Judas.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-13 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Funny.  I heard this was a progressive blog and that the commenters were actually people concerned about progressive politics.  

Turns out it is a website for poo-flingers.  Looks like I can leave now having wasted but a small amount of my time.

by zadura 2008-05-13 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Yet another junk diary, except this is a front page one. Very sad indeed.

by telfishbackagain 2008-05-13 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

To those who find my comments here offensive.

Too damn bad. Low info folks, for that is indeed what you are I don't criticise any other type of commenter, step back take another look at what you think you know.

I've blogged almost a 1000 posts on my blogs since 2005. I've hung with Kos, met Jerome, hissed MoDo and Arrianna and I give no ground to people who can't even be bothered to realize that the GE will be determined in the Electoral College not by Gallup polls.

Neither will I be polite or anything other than savage when punks who just arrived on the political scene want to call the Clinton's racists.

Neither will I be polite to folks who think that a man who greatly admires Ronald Reagan, as Barry gushes in his books which I suffered through reading, should do anything but STFU as Republicans, that's Barry, have no business telling a Democrat, that would be me, anything at all.

Especially Democrats who faced Ronnie's National Guard, teenagers with M-14s....very dangerous, down in the streets in '68.

If you don't like it...or me....

Hey, all I can do is suggest you read some history, some Robert Wright...some Bob Altermeyer...some John Dean...most of all lots and lots of history. Start with the Dem convention of 1912...

And forget about trying to tell someone who's forgotten more about partisan, progressive politics than you currently know.

You brought a butter knife to a gun fight. Go home and learn something about what you are trying to talk about.

Thanks for the fun time Jerome, I know you didn't have me in mind when your posted this....but...fuck 'em if they can't take a joke, and see you next time you kick the anthill.

by Pericles 2008-05-13 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

You're not half as important or influential as you think you are, buddy.  

by rfahey22 2008-05-13 04:27PM | 0 recs
From his own mouth...

After the name dropping comes the self revelation

someone who's forgotten more about partisan, progressive politics than you currently know

Yup. You've certainly forgotten most of it.

by duende 2008-05-13 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Man, Jerome, you really need to look in the mirror and question why your negative feelings are so personal? You really have stretched to interpret a totally innocuous 30 sec clip to being evidence of some serious parallel to Bush. You really need to take on some self-examination. I think you've been an awesome progressive leader but you're slipping.

by brimur 2008-05-13 04:27PM | 0 recs
Cynicism

Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom, Jerome.

by lizardbox 2008-05-13 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Slow news day? A guy talking on a cell phone is news? And Obama=Bush? Get a grip.

by joeldanwalls 2008-05-13 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Slow news day? A guy talking on a cell phone is news? And Obama=Bush? Get a grip.

by joeldanwalls 2008-05-13 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Hey!

When Obama is called the equivalent of a "big fucking whore", THEN you can complain.

by Juno 2008-05-13 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Two wrongs make a right?  Neat!

by quixote27 2008-05-13 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

No, but proportion and perspective are pretty important.

I remember when Rhodes said that. I was blogging over at Obama Central, aka the Huffington Post.

Not ONE Obama supporter condemned it. Indeed, they all decided she was correct, albeit roughly said.

Gross.  Especially for people who are supposedly inspired to a better politic!

by Juno 2008-05-13 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

I expect more from a progressive blogger than I do from a radio shock jock.  But hey, now I know what level of discourse Jerome is shooting for.  Thanks.

by map 2008-05-13 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Why do you expect more?  And what is the difference between a progressive radio jock and a progressive blogger?

Sorry, but that was far worse than putting up some silly video of Obama, which isn't in the least bit offensive.

by Juno 2008-05-13 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

If you think people are upset about a cute little video of Obama on a cell phone you've completely missed the point.  I suggest you read Jeromes post again.

by map 2008-05-13 05:51PM | 0 recs
This diary contributes what?

[crickets]

hillaryis44 and Taylor Marsh must be so proud.

by kellogg 2008-05-13 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This post is so incredibly lame.  I can't believe that an allegedly progressive blog would compare the Democratic Party's frontrunner for the nomination to the worst president in U.S. history and perhaps one of the stupidest humans alive.

If a similar post had been made about Clinton before today, I have no doubt that the diarist would have been banned.  But I guess rules only apply to the 'other guy'.  Both rules of the blog, and rules of the Democratic Party's nomination process.

Oh Mr. Shark -- you have been jumped.

by chinapaulo 2008-05-13 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

Jerome,

your mia culpa is weaker than your orginial post.

Can someone help me figure out how to delete my account?

by AllergicToBS 2008-05-13 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

All you have to do is rec diaries that are not already in the rec list.

The sad thing is with this site is Jerome owns it.

Therefore if he becomes a pariah of netroots than it's the site that loses, since everything from militant like sweeps to posting of this garbage lies on him.

It seems that this sight is losing it's bearings.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-14 09:42AM | 0 recs
WTF

What am I missing? He's on his campaign plane making a phone call.

by ATL Dem 2008-05-14 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Preener Obama

This is posted by a mod? Good lord, why don't the mods just quit pretending that this site is to promote the "democratic" party and start calling the intrapartisan garbage dump it's turning into.

And you guys think the rhetoric on Kos is in the gutter...

by Djo 2008-05-14 12:21PM | 0 recs

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