Palin Open Thread

Palin unleashed:

... Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy." ...

Palin from the 2006 Alaska governor's debate, going on record to say that she'd support a constitutional amendment banning abortion even in cases of rape or incest:

Palin from the 2008 vice presidential debate:

... But in that tolerance also, no one would ever propose, not in a McCain-Palin administration, to do anything to prohibit, say, visitations in a hospital or contracts being signed, negotiated between parties. ...

Palin from the 2006 Alaska governor's debate again, saying that she thinks the denial of marriage rights to gay couples should include denial of benefits:

Palin used the work of ExxonMobil-funded climate deniers to oppose the federal listing of polar bears as an endangered species:

... The threatened species status might also impede the building of an Alaskan natural gas pipeline, which Palin has called the "will of God". In a letter last year to the US interior secretary, Dirk Kempthorne, she said she believed the polar bear population was "abundant, stable and unthreatened by direct human activity".

... Her own Alaskan review of the science drew on a joint paper by seven authors, four of whom were well-known climate- change contrarians. Her paper argued that it was "certainly premature, if not impossible" to link temperature rise in Alaska with human CO2 emissions. ...

What Palin did when she first "found out" about state investments in Darfur:

The Palin Administration testified in opposition to divestment from companies implicated in the Darfur genocide. On February 9, 2008, the Alaska Legislature's House State Affairs Committee held its first hearing on Rep. Lynn & Gara's HB 287. The Palin Administration and the Permanent Fund Corporation testified against the bill. Brian Andrews (since deceased), Deputy Commissioner of the State of Alaska, Department of Revenue, testified on behalf of the Palin Administration. This testimony helped kill this bill, with 4 members of the Governor's Republican party stating their opposition to the bill (Reps. Bob Roses, Craig Johnson, Kyle Johansen and John Coghill). The bill never left this committee, and died when the legislative session ended on April 12, 2008. Deputy Commissioner Andrews testified at length against divestment from Sudan, and stated in part: "[T]he desire to make a difference is noble, but mixing moral and political agendas at the expense of our citizens' financial security is not a good combination."

And she could be a heartbeat away from the presidency:

Tags: abortion, Climate change, Darfur, racism, same sex couple benefits, Sarah Palin (all tags)



Re: Palin Open Thread

I think that this "terrorist" talk could lead to a dangerous path.  If McCain/Palin audience members are yelling "terrorist" and "kill him", than you know that the speeches that McCain and Palin are giving have gone too far.

Obama is at an increased danger of being assasinated.  What Palin and McCain are saying right now increases that chance.  Ayers life may be in danger as well.

The media needs to call out the McCain/Palin team to tone this stuff down.

by puma 2008-10-07 02:23AM | 0 recs
Is there video or audio?

I think this needs to be aired.

We knew this was coming, folks.
We knew they wouldn't take an AA man beating a white woman sitting down.
We're going to win this.

These people are a minority, and they can no longer be allowed to intimidate the rest of us.

by iohs2008 2008-10-07 06:41AM | 0 recs
McCain worse moments.

In a world with such uncertainty, the best McCain can do is ask, "who is the real Barack Obama."  That statement along with. "the fundamentals of the economy is strong," will cost him the election.  The first quote sounds so racist and stupid.  Normal people get this.  Asking a stupid question like that to a group of people yelling "kill him," comes across as a White Supremacist meeting.  This shit looks so stupid.  

by nzubechukwu 2008-10-07 03:08AM | 0 recs
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No. She can't be a heartbeat away from the presidency. It ain't happening.

by kitebro 2008-10-07 03:09AM | 0 recs

Media and Congress needs to demand McCain be more responsible and be careful wittingly or unwittingly not to activate extremist psychopaths to do harm to Obama or incite racial hatred and violence.

If something happens to Obama,  I am  afraid we may have riots like the 60's.  This has got to stop now.

by jasmine 2008-10-07 03:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Dangerous

Riots? God forbid anything happens to Barrack cause what might happen given our current economic position might make the 60s look tame.

by Drewid 2008-10-07 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin Open Thread

In regards to the debate clips, those journalists from Alaska were light years ahead of the job that Gwen Ifill did. Ifill is a great journalist, but at least the locals from Alaska pinned her down on specifics. I wasn't the biggest fan of the late Tim Russert, but in hindsight he did a great job at calling politicians out on their b.s. There's "gotcha" journalism and there's calling them out when they are misrepresenting their record, as Palin did repeatedly during that VP "debate."

by GrahamCracker 2008-10-07 03:19AM | 0 recs
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Ifill was a joke. She was on Meet the Press and she gave a cop out excuse for not asking followups. Something to the effect that it was the job of Biden to do it. So what the hell do we need her for? They could have had one of Palin's daughters just read the questions off the teleprompter.

by Pravin 2008-10-07 05:50AM | 0 recs
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She was on Meet the Press and she gave a cop out excuse for not asking followups.

The rules for the debate, agreed upon by both the Obama and McCain campaigns, did not allow followup questions, unlike the format for the first Presidential debate.

Hey, I personally do not like such rules one bit.  But to call Ifill a joke because she didn't directly violate the agreed-upon format is ridiculous.

by Collideascope 2008-10-07 09:26AM | 0 recs
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Well, Ifill did not mention clearly on Meet the Press. Now I understand. Though I dont know why Ifill did not just repeat a question since there was nothing inthe rules to prevent her from asking a question repeatedly until she got an answer. There was nothing to prevent Ifill from keeping Palin on course when Palin was blatantly ignoring the question at hand and giving a stump speech on a totally different topic. She only told the canddiates once that they did not address the question.

And why did the DEmocrats agree to such a stupid condition for the debate?

by Pravin 2008-10-07 02:53PM | 0 recs
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The thing is the media just eats this kind of stuff up.  Say what you will about the irresponsibility, and downright untruthfulness, of her most recent statements and the response she delights in provoking it is like catnip to the mainstream media.

The question in my mind is not whether this narrative will sway popular opinion enough to effect the outcome of the election, which seems unlikely, but just exactly what kind of constituency Miss Conviviality is attempting to create for herself within the ruins of the Republican party.  We had a very similar political phenomenon during the '90's here in Australia, Pauline Hanson, who ultimately founded her very own One Nation party, and she was the darling of self-righteous xenophobes and subliminal racists for the better part of a decade.

Ultimately the two major parties conspired to redistribute her seat and got rid of her but not before her electoral success poisoned the policies of the conservative party which she threatened with her devoted, and widespread, support.  In spite of her limited electoral success it unfortunately drove Australian politics hard to the right on issues of entitlements and immigration for a long time.

From where I sit it is hard to tell whether she and Todd are pulling an end run on Schmidt, and Republicans generally, or whether he has enlisted her to do the dirty work in a campaign which will overexpose and exhaust her political capital.  Either way, she is the Republicans problem foremost and they should be very afraid.  The mandate she is creating for herself could easily tug the Republicans into a reactionary populism which might spell real trouble for all of us further down the track.

by Shaun Appleby 2008-10-07 03:46AM | 0 recs
This stuff is scary

McCain and Palin are trying to incite racial hatred and bigotry to win an election. It is disturbing. It only makes me realize there really are two Americas and how important it is that we win.

by Lolis 2008-10-07 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin Open Thread

I'm all for attacking McCain/Palin on real issues, but I find that AIP ad to be disengenuous.  So far I haven't seen any confirmations that she was a member of the AIP.  If her husband was, well, we've got a little something called freedom of association.

by Dreorg 2008-10-07 05:42AM | 0 recs
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Not when she goes about saying COUNTRY FIRST. Is she prepared to condemn her own husband even if she wasn't a member? Plus, she did address the convention via tape. Imagine if Obama gave one to a black separatist organization looking for an independent D.C.  or Atlanta.

This is the kind of ad that should be repeated. But I would like to see a snarky reference to COUNTRY FIRST? at the end of that ad.

by Pravin 2008-10-07 05:52AM | 0 recs
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I still disagree.  There are enough horrible horrible things Palin has done that misrepresenting her connection with AIP and attempting to tie her husband's membership in AIP is not only misleading but shows a lack of respect for the civil liberties we all should enjoy.

by Dreorg 2008-10-07 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin Open Thread

They seemed to think she was one of theirs when behind closed doors.

But can you imagine if Michelle Obama had been a registered member of, say for example, the Black Panthers for years (presuming they were on the ballot)? Obama never would have made it to the Senate, much less have won the nomination of a major party. Just as if the Palin family were Black, even aside from a husband with secessionist tendencies, I can assure you that Sarah Palin would never, never have had a chance at a national ticket.

by Natasha Chart 2008-10-07 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Palin Open Thread

I don't disagree with anything that you said in the second paragraph.  However, freedom of association is one of our most sacrosanct civil liberties, and must apply to everyone.  The fact that Obama wouldn't have made it as far as he did if his wife had similiar leanings doesn't make leveling the charge against Palin correct.

by Dreorg 2008-10-07 06:27AM | 0 recs
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Attending their meetings and taping a direct welcome message to their conference this year might be construed by some as an endorsement.

Here are some groups that it would probably be beyond the pale, and rightly so, for any candidate to be associated with: KKK, any national street gang (Bloods, Hells Angels), Minutemen, Aryan Nation, New Black Panther Party, League of the South, Skinheads, Council of Conservative Citizens, John Birch Society, LaRouche's party, etc., etc.

Can you imagine anyone forgiving association with those groups? Can you imagine a politician being able to survive having taped a chirpy welcome message to one of their conventions? I can't. This isn't about making it illegal to believe crazy-ass things. This is about asking whether or not someone with strong ties to secessionist hate groups, who had an official photo taken with a John Birch Society rag on her desk, is fit to be near the presidency. It makes me seriously question her judgement and ethical fitness for public office.

There's a difference between illegal and immoral for a good reason. And be clear again that I'm not calling for any sanction of law be applied to her because of who her friends are, nor that she be forbidden from reading and spending her time as she chooses. But these sorts of connections are appalling and should be frightening, and they are in every way legitimate topics of debate.

by Natasha Chart 2008-10-07 02:28PM | 0 recs
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She is inciting, not speaking.  She seems amazingly un-American.  She succeeds in making me think better of W, something I thought was totally impossible.

by mady 2008-10-07 06:22AM | 0 recs


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