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Having a nice Labor Day?

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Man, what a great day. I am going to do a full olympic distance tri today. I am so far out of my training plan I am just going to max out and use the last two weeks as taper.

Does anyone know if univision allowed the question  "exactly how many troops do you plan to leave in Iraq?"

for the next debate

by Trey Rentz 2007-09-03 09:47AM | 0 recs
Bombing Iran

Excerpt [ if you read the article lots of relevant embedded links ] odman/how-i-learned-to-stop-wor_b_62830. html

Here are the indications that a large bombing campaign against Iran is not only on the table, but is in fact the main dish -- the turkey, if you will, of Thanksgiving 2007. I list them in order of ascending terrifyingness.

First: Robert Baer, the former middle-East CIA operative and a man who is not unconnected in the intelligence world (c.f., Syriana), says his peeps tell him we're planning to "hit" Iran.

Second: Barnett Rubin, a scholar and one of the Serious people in the academic foreign policy establishment, says we're already committed to an attack on Iran, and that the marketing for this attack will be ramped up after the long weekend. [In this light, Bush's speech to the American Legion and various Cheney remarks of the last month can be seen as test-marketings. As Bush said in that speech, "We will confront this danger before it is too late." Meaning, I suspect: "before I no longer have my finger on the button."]

Third: I doubt that David Addington believes that Bush, under the AUMF, really needs the permission of congress, or of anyone. As a courtesy, of course, he'd likely, as the planes are on their way, inform a bipartisan leadership group (several Republicans plus an independent from Connecticut). But what's sadder is that this Congress, whose Democratic leadership is talking about opposing the war but not mentioning the words "withdrawal" or "timetable"; which cowed before the FISA revisions; whose Senate this year blithely passed, 97 to zip, a resolution condemning Iran for attacking U.S. forces in Iraq -- When push comes to shove, will Reid and Pelosi (and Clinton, and Obama) put their political capital where their mouth is? As the magic eight ball says, "Signs point to no." (See Glen Greenwald's astute assessment of the political situation.)

Fourth: the foreign press, which during the run-up to Iraq was far less blinkered than, say, the Gray Lady, has been over this weekend treating an attack on Iran as a fait accompli. See this from the Telegraph (UK) . The Times (UK) ran today a headline with the flat declaration, Pentagon 'three-day blitz' plan for Iran. The blitz includes what The Times terms "plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran." They quote Alex Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center: "Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same." It was, he added, a "very legitimate strategic calculus." [One can't help but recall the strategic calculus of General Buck Turgidson: "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks."]

For me (and for you), beginning a war in Iran -- in the midst of the disaster that is Iraq -- is the precise incarnation of Santayana's warning: "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim." But for Bush and Cheney, two of the ten or twelve people who actually believe that the Iraq war is going well, this new venture isn't fanatic at all. It would be, in their eyes-- Going from strength to strength.

I've written to my Congressman, and to both Senators. Call me quixotic, for writing; call me naive, for encouraging you to do the same; and, at day's end, call me cynical, for believing that public opinion here makes not one whit of difference.

by dearreader 2007-09-04 12:28AM | 0 recs
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I'm at work.
On labor day.

It sucks.

by JJCPA 2007-09-03 09:54AM | 0 recs
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Me too.  But look on the bright side, we're helping America keep its lead in productivity!

by Steve M 2007-09-03 10:52AM | 0 recs
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right back at you. I'm chasing Hurricane Felix (virtually, of course) until he makes landfall.

by misscee 2007-09-03 09:57AM | 0 recs
Seeing the Clintons in Des Moines today

Second time seeing the tandem in two months...both times at the Fairgrounds.

by danIA 2007-09-03 10:07AM | 0 recs
I was there to see Edwards

I would have stayed for the Clintons, but toddlerdesmoinesdem needed to get home for his nap.

Let us know later how the Clintons did. Lots of energy in the room for Edwards, and I saw field organizers getting a lot of supporter cards signed.

by desmoinesdem 2007-09-03 11:25AM | 0 recs
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For those looking for some good, topical reading on this Labor Day, I'm happy to point to one of my favorite Daily Kos diaries ever.  You won't soon forget it.

Reflections on a 4-Year Labor Strike

by Steve M 2007-09-03 10:58AM | 0 recs
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What Stephen Colbert thinks about Bush's recent trip to Iraq.

Since I don't know how to embed a youtube video.

by OE 2007-09-03 11:37AM | 0 recs
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I'm sick of these media whores.

They act like they are REQUIRED BY LAW to talk non-stop about Bush's trip to Iraq.

Any time that I flip my television set to CNN or MSNBC and it's on, it gets turned again as soon as I see his face over there, which is as soon as the image comes in.

Screw the media.

More things happened IN THE WORLD that Bush making a trip to Iraq. reason to talk about that non-stop all day just because he did.

If any other President had done that, they would have long since moved on to another story by now, but the special treatment of Bush, by the media, continues.

"The President...the President...the President."

No other President was rolled over for by the media like this idiot is, and the fact that they feel like they are OBLIGATED to keep talking non-stop about his "surprise visit" to Iraq is all the proof that you need of it.

by OE 2007-09-03 12:22PM | 0 recs
Anbar = Somalia?

The absolute artistry of Mr. Bush is now becoming apparent. By supporting each and every little tribal warlord that professes to fight the evil-doers he can recreate Somalia. So with just a little luck on his part his next deployment to Iraq can be characterized as a humanitarian mission.

by Judeling 2007-09-03 02:33PM | 0 recs


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