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Good evenin'.

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Anybody else see Hagel defend the Democratic Congress on Cafferty's hour-long show tonight? That was weird.

by Junior Bug 2007-09-19 05:59PM | 0 recs
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he is liberated , not running for reelection so he can say what he wants.

by lori 2007-09-19 06:16PM | 0 recs
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I guess so.  I like these non-politician politicians!

by Junior Bug 2007-09-19 06:33PM | 0 recs
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Ray LaHood did something similar after he announced his retirement.

by JJCPA 2007-09-19 07:54PM | 0 recs
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So why isn't that coward Warner?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-09-19 07:43PM | 0 recs
Shocking USA Into Obedience

Video: The Shock Doctrine: The Rise Of Disaster Capitalism - -  Shocking USA Into Obedience Ic&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enaomiklei n%2Eorg%2Fmain

by dearreader 2007-09-20 04:18AM | 0 recs
off-topic, but this post is hilarious

especially if you or your spouse/partner has ever breastfed a baby: breastfeeding-in-public-warning-offensi ve-content

by desmoinesdem 2007-09-19 06:05PM | 0 recs

Elizabeth Edwards is accusing Hillary of 'copying' her husband's plan. Hilarious! blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2007/ 09/19/elizabeth_edwards_hillary_clin.htm l

In her phone call, Ms. Edwards noted an eerie sameness between the health care proposal laid out by Hillary Clinton this week, and the one her husband trotted out this winter.

She doesn't use the word "plagiarize." Nor does she speak of copyright infringement. But she does say "mimic."

And she suggests Clinton might "cave" when it comes to negotiating the details of universal health care.

"I guess you could slip a piece of paper between what Ms. Clinton and what John proposed in February, but that's about it. It's remarkably similar," Ms. Edwards began. tent/article/2007/09/19/AR2007091902128. html

Edwards' Wife Bashes Clinton Health Plan

"Does Mrs. Clinton's plan seem very familiar to you?" Edwards said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Mrs. Clinton has _ seven and a half months after John unveiled his health care plan _ unveiled a health care plan that is in every material respect just like John's."

Edwards calls Clinton's plan "John Edwards' health care plan as delivered by Hillary Clinton."

by areyouready 2007-09-19 06:12PM | 0 recs
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I don't understand why you have a problem with this.  The Hillary strategy is "blur the lines," after all, and the Edwards plan was well-received.

by Junior Bug 2007-09-19 06:32PM | 0 recs
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Edwards and his wife should try to talk him up, make him palatable to us.  This constant talking Hillary-this, Hillary-that, detracts from him as a candidate big time.  Of course, most Edwards' posters here don't see it that way, but if anything unifies Democrats, it is the dislike for candidates to bash the other beyond a certain point (and Edwards has gone well beyond that threshold.)

by georgep 2007-09-19 07:13PM | 0 recs
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Ohhh, so you're trying to help his campaign.  Thanks!

by Junior Bug 2007-09-19 08:45PM | 0 recs
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Help his campaign?  The constant talk about "the other candidate" might explain why we are where we are, although I agree that it might not look that much different.  However, the trends would have most likely been more "flatlining" for all candidates (at their individual levels) instead of showing as major an upwards trend in national polls and all state polls for Clinton as they have.  It is as if they are doing Clinton's bidding for her by listening to wrong advice.

by georgep 2007-09-19 10:43PM | 0 recs
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Oh, my mistake.  I mistook your concern for concern.

by Junior Bug 2007-09-20 02:10AM | 0 recs
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don't you have a diary about this already?

by MrMacMan 2007-09-19 07:29PM | 0 recs
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Elizabeth should tell her husband to copy Hillary's poll numbers.  

by changehorses08 2007-09-19 07:39PM | 0 recs
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love this line. lol.

by areyouready 2007-09-19 08:00PM | 0 recs
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We need a woman in the White House immediately if not sooner.  All this testosterone is literally killing us.  

I keep thinking of Gen. Armstrong Custer, when approached by a subordinate--
"Sir we are surrounded, what shall we do?  Charge said Custer"  and the rest is history.  

by changehorses08 2007-09-20 08:28AM | 0 recs
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If you look into the "Lobbyist luncheon" to help enforce the "Pay to Play" game of politics, it's kind of disgusting.  Hillary took a number of congresspersons and lobbyists and put them in the same room together (It only cost 1k to get in).  

I don't care who you are, you can't condone this sort of behavior.  She is out of control trying to be competitive in fundraising.  This crosses a big line with me, and I was cooling off to the idea of Hillary winning the nomination.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-19 06:17PM | 0 recs
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I agree.  It’s totally ridiculous.  And why would she do such a thing when Edwards is attacking her strong lobbyist ties??

by mbcarl 2007-09-19 06:27PM | 0 recs
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All the candidates should attack her for this move.  I don't think Biden, or Dodd have even stooped to this.  Obama also stands on really good ground to criticize her for this... And he should.  His being timid HAS to end here.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-19 06:30PM | 0 recs
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Has Edwards returned the hundreds of thousands and free corporate jet use to the former head of the trial lawyers lobbying association? Is the former head of the trial lawyers lobbying association still Edwards' finance chair? Is Edwards still for sale in exchange for luxury jet rides, or is he chartering his own planes like Clinton and Obama?

In other words, does Edwards still live in a glass house?

by hwc 2007-09-19 07:00PM | 0 recs
are trial lawyers

war profiteering in Iraq, like the defense contractors whose lobbyists were having lunch at Hillary's fundraiser?

Are trial lawyers the reason why we can't get decent environmental and energy policy in this country?

Hillary is the favorite Democrat of some of the worst corporate players. The plaintiff's bar doesn't worry me.

by desmoinesdem 2007-09-19 07:39PM | 0 recs
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Two of Edwards' bundlers are about to spend some decent jail time. Your defense for him is pretty lame and desperate.

by areyouready 2007-09-19 08:02PM | 0 recs
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There is a difference from having a luncheon with a number of significant congresspersons and a large group of lobbyists vs. bundling.  Don't even start about "lame and desperate"

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-09-19 08:17PM | 0 recs
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Edwards doesn't take lobbyist money.  If a lawyer is gonna write a personal check, there is nothing to stop that.  How about Norman Hsu paying for that Las Vegas junket for HRC CoS?

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-09-19 07:48PM | 0 recs
by areyouready 2007-09-19 08:02PM | 0 recs
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I think we should make a concentrated effort to point out that Republicans want to waste TAXPAYER money on a political stunt. /gop-cornyn-to-introduce-s_n_65104.html

by afr114 2007-09-19 07:11PM | 0 recs
Richardson: US intervention exacerbates war

Democratic presidential candidate Bill Richardson on Wednesday called for the U.S. to end the war in Iraq, arguing that the troops exacerbate the sectarian violence and the billions spent could be used for health care and other needs.

"We're a nation that spends $5.5 billion in cancer research -- that's two weeks of the Iraq war," Richardson told The Associated Press. "It shows the misguided priorities."

"We are being bled dry by an invasion that is costing us $500 billion so far -- $500 billion," he said, stressing the cost. "And it's detracting from American security objectives in dealing with terrorism, with nuclear proliferation, with energy independence."

In an hourlong interview with AP editors and reporters, the New Mexico governor argued that all combat and non-combat troops should be removed from Iraq because their presence is only contributing to violence instead of bringing security.

"There's no question there's tribal and ethnic hatreds," Richardson told The Associated Press. "But when those tribal and ethnic hatreds are fueled by American policy of hostility, then you make the situation worse."

Richardson criticized Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards -- his leading rivals for the presidential nomination -- for plans to pull out combat troops from Iraq but leave residual forces behind. He said he would keep the Marines that guard the U.S. embassy in Baghdad but would withdraw all other military personnel.

"Who is going to take care of non-combat troops? The Iraqis?" Richardson asked. He said he would move a small contingent mostly of special forces to Kuwait and more troops into Afghanistan, although he would leave the specific number up to military leaders. iWrZ8TLkhoB3gO9je9g8B5g

by Stephen Cassidy 2007-09-19 07:41PM | 0 recs
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Enjoying the news that Weller's retiring.  

It's about time that someone wiped that smug grin off his face, and it was Tribune of all people.

Betcha he's on the first plane to Guatemala.  He won't be coming back.

What a sleezy piece of crap.

Its gonna be a big year for Illinois Dems running for Congress...3 open seats, and we may be able to take out Lipinski.

I hope that Dick Versace runs for LaHood's seat.  And that Debbie Halvorson runs for Weller's seat.

by JJCPA 2007-09-19 07:56PM | 0 recs
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Jesse Jackson is furious with Barack Obama for his tepid response to the Jena 6 racial situation in which 6 black youths are charged with the beating a white youth.  This incident has sparked a number of racial incidents in this small town of 3,000 85% of which are white.   Jackson, who endorsed Obama this Spring has said that Obama should remember that he is not white. When asked about his comments later Jackson said he could not remember that statement but said he is very disappointed in Obama's comments.  

by changehorses08 2007-09-19 08:00PM | 0 recs
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Why do even the open threads have to be full of crap?

by Vox Populi 2007-09-19 08:26PM | 0 recs


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