The SC Citadel debate

Whew, made it inside the Citidel, and got access into the hall, and what a fortress. Howard Dean is giving an intro to the debate. I heard that he missed his plane at DC National, took a taxi to Dulles, and another plane to Columbia and then buzzed over to Charleston-- what a chairman. Alongside a few other reporters and bloggers, off to the right of the stage. The candidates are being introduced, consider this an open thread.

Update [2007-7-23 19:20:20 by Jerome Armstrong]: Would you describe yourself as liberal? Clinton on "liberal" goes back to the root of what the word means, and then describes how the Republicans have trashed it; she conssiders herself a progressive, which identifies her with an american tradition, a modern progressive, and that's a pretty good answer. Gravel then takes on Obama, and some Robert Wolfe bundler-- who is that? I dunno; Obama then talks about generalities of transparency, anyway, nice butting of the heads there after a slow start to this debate.

Who would you choose as your VP nominee from the Republican party? Would Lieberman count?
Biden: Hagel; yea for bipartisanship-- he's done it he says.
Edwards: Hagel; then eschews the bipartisan bs and says the only way we are going to get things done is to take the power. "Take these people on" is Edwards angle.

Update [2007-7-23 19:28:59 by Jerome Armstrong]: Dodd's video, on his silver head, rocked. That will be worth seeing again. Hillary has already said the "experience" word many times-- talking point? Edwards on Elizabeth vs Hillary & Clinton following-- doesn't match up to the hype.

Update [2007-7-23 19:46:1 by Jerome Armstrong]: Richardson gets trashed a lot in the debate reviews, but he comes off pretty good when talking about how to solve Darfur; Biden follows up with agreeing to the 'no fly zone' but also wants 'troops on the ground'. Clinton agrees on sending troops (though she talks international) to Darfur, but not American-- "we've got to figure out what to do in Iraq". I can't imagine that Americans want to hear from Democrats about more overseas missions, Bush has sorta ruined that, no matter how good the cause, until we get out of Iraq.

Update [2007-7-23 19:57:56 by Jerome Armstrong]: Iraq. "How do we pull out now?" Obama: "as careful to get out as careless as we went in". Biden: "Time to tell some truth"... stay is going to be longer. Clinton has made a lot of segway into showing some anti-war passion... Anderson Cooper shuts down Kucinich with "we're gonna see your TV commercial" ha. Dodd: diplomacy, moral leadership. Richardson: "There's a big difference between me and the Senators". Six months, out; no residual troops. Get it done. Gravel: "What did all these people die for?" Obama: Fingers Clinton, and says "the time for us to ask about how we are going to get out of Iraq was before we went in." Edwards: To stop this war, turn up the heat on Bush. I think Richardson, more and more, is showing the strongest voice on getting out of Iraq, and unlike Clinton or Edwards, Obama is not going to be able to shut down Richardson's move to his left, based on the 2002 vote.

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Comments

152 Comments

Re: The SC Citidel debate

GO JOHNNY GO

by jfoster 2007-07-23 02:59PM | 0 recs
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He had a GREAT video... I loved it... He should have done that as a commercial right after the hair cut issue was raised... it was a GREAT response.  

As a you tube user, I found Hillary's a bit insulting.  I expected more.  Didn't like it at all.  

Dodd's was also a highlight...

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-23 07:07PM | 0 recs
Great

Looking forward to the debate.

by dk2 2007-07-23 03:00PM | 0 recs
Chris of Portland?

Off to a poor start.

by anku 2007-07-23 03:01PM | 0 recs
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Hillary Clinton just claimed the label of "Progressive"??

Seriously??

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:11PM | 0 recs
Obama is good tonight,

Dennis K, on fire, as usual...overall, so far good questions,

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 03:12PM | 0 recs
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interesting, Barack looks the most comfortable of them all, Hillary looks among the least.

Hillary rejected "liberal," prefers the term "progressive." wow.

by Todd Beeton 2007-07-23 03:12PM | 0 recs
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I don't dislike Hillary, that being said she has not ever really struck me as a progressive.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:14PM | 0 recs
or Liberal...

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 03:14PM | 0 recs
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Given how much the GOP has trashed liberal and some Sheeple trash the word, she is smart for it... that being said, I don't think she is a progressive.  

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-23 07:26PM | 0 recs
I love them all!

Go Hillary go!  Go Edwards go!  Go Obama go!  Go Dodd go!  Go Biden go!  Hell, go all y'all!  You're Democrats, be proud!

I'm a sap and sound like Joan Crawford, but I love them all!

by jgarcia 2007-07-23 03:15PM | 0 recs
Edwards right on with that answer

Had it ready to go.

by dk2 2007-07-23 03:16PM | 0 recs
Obama is smoking today.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is smoking today.

I thought he quit smoking! :-P

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:18PM | 0 recs
Not today man.

Lets enjoy the debates.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Not today man.

I am enjoying it, and I support Obama. It was just a light hearted joke man.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:20PM | 0 recs
Yeah I need to loosen up eh?

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:27PM | 0 recs
No worries! !

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:29PM | 0 recs
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N.B., "Citadel," not "Citidel."   The institution has not been acquired by Citicorp.  Yet.

by InigoMontoya 2007-07-23 03:20PM | 0 recs
Obama is on it, EDWARDS IS ON FIRE....

this is not Clinton's format...

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 03:20PM | 0 recs
Love Edwards answer on race and sex.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:26PM | 0 recs
Edwards deserves kudos for the race and sex answer

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards deserves kudos...

It needed to be said and he said it, he definetly deserves a pat on the back for that one.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:27PM | 0 recs
WOAH

Edwards just dissed some of his own supporters.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:26PM | 0 recs
Missed that part?

What did he say?

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Missed that part?

That if you're not going to vote for Hillary or Obama because one is a female and one is Black, then "I don't want your vote"

How many comments and diaries have we seen about this? I expect not to see them anymore.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:30PM | 0 recs
Oh the electability argument.

Yeah I hate that damn argument.  Such nonsense.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh the electability argument.

Indeed.

Hey , what was up with Gravel earlier? I think that man is disturbed. I really do.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:37PM | 0 recs
That's why Obama smashed him on

lobbyists.  Absolute noteworthy (wink wink . . . you know what I am talking about).

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: That's why Obama smashed him on

I certainly do. That's why I'm glad you're watching this. Really glad.

;p

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: That's why Obama smashed him on

Just like football, huh?  

"Smashed him."

Too bad it is all sport to you.  People are dying in Iraq while you get off on "smashing."  

by TomP 2007-07-23 04:25PM | 0 recs
TomP? Long time no see.

We go way back don't we?

Uhh you know the comment is not meant to belittle the efforts of our soldiers but to draw a distinction between the candidates addressing it.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:30PM | 0 recs
NOT true

He did not diss any of us - why don't you try some other trash talk.

by dk2 2007-07-23 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: NOT true

Just breathe (la la )....just breathe ( la la ) .....just breathe (la la ).....just breathe .....( la La )

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Bull!

You are just trying to spin hate.  Take it somewhere else, blue diamond.

by TomP 2007-07-23 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Bull!

Uh, maybe you're new here , but we are all way past the denial.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:49PM | 0 recs
Edwards is very good, tonight...

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 03:30PM | 0 recs
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such palaver. Only Kucinich answers directly and to the point.

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 03:30PM | 0 recs
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Sadly him (and Gravel) are the only ones who have the luxury to just say what they think...because they are both unelectable, have no chance at the VP or a cabinet post, and are considered to be "a little out there" by most people.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:33PM | 0 recs
Obama is really really good tonight.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is really really good tonight.

the best I've seen him in any debate. he's really stepping up.

by Todd Beeton 2007-07-23 03:38PM | 0 recs
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not like I would've like to have heard it, either.

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 03:32PM | 0 recs
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liked

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 03:33PM | 0 recs
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Obama, just answer the friggin' question. Won't anyone answer a direct question honestly?

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 03:34PM | 0 recs
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Which question are you referring to. Because if you are talking about the marriage question I feel as though he answered it wonderfully.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:35PM | 0 recs
He answered it the same as everyone else.

Barring Kucinich, he said the most important issue was that homosexual couples be given the same rights as heterosexual couples under the law.  However, he went a step further to allow for the different denominations to determine whether they want to honor that marriage or not.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: He answered it the same as everyone else.

Like I said, a wonderful answer. It should be up to the government to confer all of the rights of marriage. As long as they do that it should be up to the religous denominiation to confer the word marriage... or at least, thats how I view it.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:38PM | 0 recs
Agreed.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Agreed.

I don't. Marriage is a legal word, and religions should have nothing to do with it. You can't get married if you're a Jew, you can if you're a Presbyterian, ah, c'mon....I was in Fiddler on the Roof. We did this already.

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Agreed.

exactly.. The question is about civil marriage, not a marriage under any denomination --

by sepulvedaj3 2007-07-24 08:27AM | 0 recs
Obama

Obama is a horrible debater. Long winded answers with no substance.

Edwards is much much stronger tonight.

by areyouready 2007-07-23 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

No substance? Seriously?

You mean like that comprehensive answer on where he stood on civil unions/ marriages? Yep, no substance there.

Get real.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:40PM | 0 recs
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Ugg for Hilary's and Edward's videos. Dodd's was very clever!

by Books Alive 2007-07-23 03:39PM | 0 recs
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So far, none of their videos make sense. I don't get the videos at all.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:44PM | 0 recs
I thought Dodd's was the best so far.

I think they are suppose to be humorous.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: I thought Dodd's was the best so far.

Oh, okay. Well in that case, I look forward to Obamas. Something tells me it's going to be the best.

;p

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:51PM | 0 recs
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Richardson has moved or removed the hearing aid/earpiece that he needed so badly in an eariler debate. Except maybe it's only for the video questions.

by Books Alive 2007-07-23 03:41PM | 0 recs
Angry Biden.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:42PM | 0 recs
Gravel?

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:42PM | 0 recs
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Edwards had a great answer on fighting for interest and Obama had a great answer on representing the people. But thus far no one has really stood out for more than one question.

The worst debate format thus far. Edwards was nailed  on the gay marriage question. But that was totally bush league for them to bring out the pastor in the audience. Unacceptable.

I also really dislike the tempo of the format. Why has gravel gotten as many questions as Hillary?

PS. Biden has the best Sudan answer by far period bar none. Theres no excuse for not acting in Sudan.

by world dictator 2007-07-23 03:43PM | 0 recs
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Anderson is very astute about preventing answer-creep from Gravel. Dodd seems to be getting more "first question to" so far.

by Books Alive 2007-07-23 03:47PM | 0 recs
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Go Anderson!!

Thank you for not giving that loony any more of a pulpit than necessary.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:43PM | 0 recs
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I agree - Gravel should not be there; why won't Howard Dean dis-invite him?

by nascardem 2007-07-23 03:46PM | 0 recs
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A false belief that we need his brand of comic relief?

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:47PM | 0 recs
Obama

"We have to be as careful getting out as we were careless getting in" ~ Barack Obama

I hope he continues to drill this into peoples thick heads.

We need a realistic goal . Obama doesn't go for the cheap brownie points, he makes more sense.

Biden? I'm sorry, but I don't support SEGREGATION for any nation under any circumstances and I don't trust candidates who propose it.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

He doesn't support segregation along the lines of what we had in this country after Reconstruction. He supports a segregated government in the sense that the Kurds, Sunnis, and Shiites would each have the right to their own regional governments. He isn't talking different drinking fountains and the "the back of the bus," he is talking about allowing these peoples with immense cultural difference and a deeply ingrained distrust for the other parties to govern themselves.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Split of Iraq

Right on, JDF. You sound like a judicious and learned person.

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Actually the Hussian McMahon bill I believe by the british created iraq out of different ethnic countries in order to control it better.

In fact look at the Kurds who have formed a basically autnomous state

by world dictator 2007-07-23 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

And what has it done for them?

I don't like it. That's just me.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

What has basic independance done for the kurds? Uhhh stopped them from being killed and repressed? If you're saying that the Kurds are not signficantly happier with the autonomy that they have know you're out of your mind. Why do you think they kept trying to cede from Iraq?

This isn't really a controversial point, I don't know what you're trying to argue.

by world dictator 2007-07-24 08:13AM | 0 recs
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In response to the last update-

I would definetly support our troops going to Darfur as part of an international peace keeping operation.

I think the reason we (democrats) don't want to hear about more international missions is because we know that it was irresponsible to go into Iraq alone and that we want international consensus when it involves military action.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Once again I agree w/you

by Jennie90291 2007-07-23 04:31PM | 0 recs
Nice answer Dodd.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:51PM | 0 recs
Dodd tied Dafur to Iraq.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:52PM | 0 recs
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Well have shall we put it...

Kingdom:     Animalia
Phylum:     Chordata
Class:             Aves
Order:             Anseriformes
Family:     Anatidae
Subfamily       Aldon progressivia

by Ernst 2007-07-23 03:52PM | 0 recs
That question from the mother whose son is in Iraq

spot on.  All of them tap, the fuck, dancing on answering.  Richardson is the only one who ANSWERED.  Bring them HOME.

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: That question from the mother whose son is in

Biden very much answered the question. You just disagree.

by world dictator 2007-07-23 03:59PM | 0 recs
Gravel

He's gone. He's gone.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:53PM | 0 recs
Kookcinich needs to go

Dennis Kookcinich needs to go.  On CNN he blames the Democrats for the war?  For the failure to stop the war?  He is F'in insane or he is pandering to the most thin slice of the far far left.

Either way I have had enough of hReal democrats don't blame Democrats for Bush's war or Bush's failure to end it.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-23 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Kookcinich needs to go

He isn't pandering to that thin slice of the far left. He IS part of that thin slice of the far left.

by JDF 2007-07-23 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Kookcinich needs to go

He took it to Obama, telling him essentially that he is hypocritical for being against the war at the beginning, then voting for war every time since.    

by georgep 2007-07-23 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: KOO KOO cinich needs to go

Yeah.

Kucinich has actually been a major help to Obamas Campaign. Every time he attacks him , Obama rises.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:38PM | 0 recs
Gravel declaring unfair timing.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:53PM | 0 recs
Obama On Clinton

OH SNAP!

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:54PM | 0 recs
Finally taking it to her.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Finally taking it to her.

Yep!

I can already see the ads. They are just handing it to you , man.

LOL

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:58PM | 0 recs
Definite wink wink!!!!!!!!!

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Definite wink wink!!!!!!!!!

I can see it now.

Swoosh , swoosh , cue that violin music , a little bit of wording to put things in context and clip.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 03:59PM | 0 recs
Could use your input for the next via email.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Could use your input for the next via email.

I would be honored to.

( cyber curtsy and a smile )

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama On Clinton

what response was that?

by world dictator 2007-07-23 04:16PM | 0 recs
YEAH OBAMA.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 03:54PM | 0 recs
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HAHAHA...Clinton response to will people take you serious as a woman?

"People know better than to fuck with me"

by world dictator 2007-07-23 04:02PM | 0 recs
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That's just code for;

"I'm not going. I'm sending Bill as a Roaming Ambassador so it doesn't matter."

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:07PM | 0 recs
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What do you base this comment on? Because that isn't what I took from what she said at all.

by JDF 2007-07-23 04:08PM | 0 recs
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Uh, because that's what she said she was going to do in the LAST debate , maybe ?

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:13PM | 0 recs
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How are those mutually exclusive. I think you're confusing the questions between whether countries respect a woman and would she meet with certain foreign leaders

by world dictator 2007-07-23 04:18PM | 0 recs
Is Obama being consistent on getting out

of Iraq?

At this time a year ago, Obama was clearly against setting a timetable for getting out.

Now he is for setting a timetable?  When did this change happen?

by edgery 2007-07-23 04:07PM | 0 recs
I don't think so, will have to check

that for a flip.

by dk2 2007-07-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I don't think so, will have to check

Ahem !

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:51PM | 0 recs
Found it - he voted against Kerry/Feingold
in June 2006:
"I would like nothing more than to support the Kerry Amendment; to bring our brave troops home on a date certain, and spare the American people more pain, suffering and sorrow," Obama said.  "But having visited Iraq, I'm also acutely aware that a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by Congressional edict rather than the realities on the ground, will not undo the mistakes made by this Administration. It could compound them.  It could compound them by plunging Iraq into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis."  [Obama Floor Speech, 6/21/06]
by edgery 2007-07-23 11:04PM | 0 recs
Why only emphasize safety/orderliness of w/drawal?

Clinton just talked about importance of SAFE withdrawal/minimizing loss of life during scaledown/redeployment. I guess if she had any big ideas about how to use the remaining 50K troops she would have rolled them out...

Why isn't anyone talking about specific uses of residual forces? Just a political loser? Too early to get locked into a plan? Or is this a genuine dearth of ideas?

by 2hands0feet 2007-07-23 04:13PM | 0 recs
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Hillary is a debate rock star. She is so impressive. Edwards is getting better tonight.

by areyouready 2007-07-23 04:14PM | 0 recs
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Hilary is doing an EXCELLENT job tonight. However, I didn't care much for that slow-walking answer to the question about meeting foreign leaders. Gosh, she'll have lots of power if she's elected. She can even invite people over to the White House, don't you know.

by Books Alive 2007-07-23 04:18PM | 0 recs
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Was just saying to my parents-- someone NEEDS to be telling HRC that when someone asks her about her gender, she has to talk about POWER. The might, dexterity & economic brawn of the greatest nation in the free world (yes, the nationalism is a winner) would be wielded by a woman with significant experience in the US Senate & experience as the first lady, etc.

Thought her answer was still a stand-up double, but talking about POWER and int'l precedent AND her experience is a home run.

by 2hands0feet 2007-07-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
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When you think of the White House photo ops with foreign dignitaries, I think Hilary would take to those with gusto. Democrats have a flair for finding attractive locations for their meetings, and would go beyond using only the State of the Union speech and the Ford's Theater or Lincoln Center gala events. Even Bush did as much with having Putin come to Maine. The Clinton years always began with an exclusive New Year's gathering somewhere in South Carolina, IIRC, a kind of retreat for thinkers, movers and shakers. Those and the G8 summits depend on taking the reins of power, as you say.

by Books Alive 2007-07-25 08:59AM | 0 recs
Edwards got this one tonight...

with Obama and Clinton, behind...

by icebergslim 2007-07-23 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards got this one tonight...

Obama? haha. Same, old, long winded junior answers.

I'll give some credit to Edwards.

by areyouready 2007-07-23 04:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards got this one tonight...

Bette clean your ears out...

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-23 07:29PM | 0 recs
Do not agree.

But your opinion.

Obama doing the best.

Edwards doing not bad.

Hillary is not at her sharpest.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards got this one tonight...

In all honesty, (and I'm a straight up Obama guy), I think Hillary is really good at these debates, as in she's technically good, However when she tried to take ownership of the debate by chiming in about the un-seriousness of a global warming question, but Anderson cut her off pretty quick and then a "serious" global warming question was asked next.

Hillary, Obama, Edwards did well, Biden did well too. Kucinich and Gravel are too idealistic for me, no pragmatism what so ever...

by rapcetera 2007-07-23 06:09PM | 0 recs
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Gravel's video is as odd as his campaign spots!

PS, OpenLeft has about 3 replies to their debate thread, and people can't find it online! Good lord!

by Books Alive 2007-07-23 04:14PM | 0 recs
Favorite Teacher Question

Can you guess who totally pulled their answer out of their ASS ?

I can.

LOL.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:18PM | 0 recs
Biden?

My guess.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden?

Uh.

NOPE

;p

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden?

Obama?

by georgep 2007-07-23 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Biden?

Nope

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:51PM | 0 recs
Edwards doing the best

by far.  Answers are right on direct and complete and more to the point.

by dk2 2007-07-23 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards doing the best

Here.

You dropped your pom pom. (jk)

I think everyone is doing a good job except Mr. "Grrrr" Gravel.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:28PM | 0 recs
Oh Really and where did you lose yours.

You been rah rahing through the whole thread, right?

by dk2 2007-07-23 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Really and where did you lose yours.

"We got spirit , yes we do ,...."

;p

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:40PM | 0 recs
Obama is doing the best.

Shutting down and addressing criticism.  Drawing contrasts between him and Hillary.  Answering questions with an emphasis on informing.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is doing the best.

I agree that he's shined thusfar-- what about a Most Improved Democrat award for this debate? I'd go with Dodd-- he's been crisp, eloquent and right all night, except when he stumbled a bit on the question about service.

by 2hands0feet 2007-07-23 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: spelling police redux

Spelling police redux:  Still "Citidel," not "Citadel," in lede graf.   In the unpdate of 19:57:56, second line, "segue" for "segway."

by InigoMontoya 2007-07-23 04:24PM | 0 recs
Obama smack down Romney.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:25PM | 0 recs
Ha Ha Hillary

Hillary tried to score points on her comment and Anderson shut her up.

by BlueDiamond 2007-07-23 04:31PM | 0 recs
Edwards great on Energy

No good way to dispose of waste. Bio Fuels.

Clinton - John is right.

by dk2 2007-07-23 04:33PM | 0 recs
Obama is learning to play the game.

He is doing some sound bytes like "Mitt Romney money" while still keeping informative answers and countering anyone who attacks his record.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:44PM | 0 recs
Might have to devote

a diary to how Obama's debate techniques have been evolving.  He is really really learning to come into form.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:45PM | 0 recs
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I freaking hate Anderson Cooper. No wonder why his ratings suck. Why is Dodd getting all the questions ? Why is Richardson getting all the questions ? I want to know the time total for each candidate.

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 04:46PM | 0 recs
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I don't know about you guys, but this debate sucks. And Anderson is a horrible moderator.

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 04:49PM | 0 recs
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rubbish, best debate format to date

by rapcetera 2007-07-23 06:11PM | 0 recs
Obama got loud applause for insurance answer.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:50PM | 0 recs
Uh oh Edwards goes on the attack against Obama

on healthcare.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:51PM | 0 recs
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Anderson Cooper's plan is to shut Hillary down. Bastard!!

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 04:51PM | 0 recs
Dodd takes over the debate.

Nice.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 04:53PM | 0 recs
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I am pissed off!  But Hillary still did a great job even though Anderson tried to shut her down!

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 04:58PM | 0 recs
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Is Hillary paying you per post?

And what did Anderson ever do to you anyway?

by JDF 2007-07-23 04:59PM | 0 recs
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Shut the hell up!  I come on here everyday dumb ass to support Hillary. I am bringing up legitimate questions and concerns.

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 05:02PM | 0 recs
how original

You made the same nonsense comment 4 times in less than 15 minutes. It is pointless and annoying. If you want to support someone than do it with style and intelligence not by whining like a baby and calling names.

by JDF 2007-07-23 05:05PM | 0 recs
Man Obama won.

Great video.

by lovingj 2007-07-23 05:03PM | 0 recs
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You made the same nonsense comment 4 times in less than 15 minutes. It is pointless and annoying. If you want to support someone than do it with style and intelligence not by whining like a baby and calling names.

by JDF 2007-07-23 05:04PM | 0 recs
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I am here to comment. Aren't I allowed to do that?

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 05:07PM | 0 recs
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So in your mind is it
comment = flame

or is it

comment = troll

Because either might be true in your case.

by JDF 2007-07-23 05:08PM | 0 recs
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I am trying to be respectful of MYDD and not use the wrong words. But you are really pushing me JDF to say something that I might regret. So I am going to leave it there and ignore your dumb ass!

by lonnette33 2007-07-23 05:16PM | 0 recs
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When were you being respectful of the MYDD community?

When you told me to "shut the hell up" or when you called me a "dumb ass?"

Grow up

by JDF 2007-07-23 05:18PM | 0 recs
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lonnette's posts are usually fine.  Why are you quibbling with her like that?  I saw "whining like a baby" and then you calling her a troll?  Leave it be, she is allowed to voice her opinion on the debate and/or Anderson without being personally attacked for it.

by georgep 2007-07-23 05:24PM | 0 recs
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I commented because she made the SAME comment 4 times in under 15 minutes. Once is making a point, twice may be looked at as having some intense feelings, but 4 times??

It was unnecessary and came of as incredibly whiney.

by JDF 2007-07-23 05:26PM | 0 recs
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My scorecard.

  1. Clinton - smarter than everyone on the stage, focused, credible, very impressive performance, hit rogue states and gender out the park (and I don't like her rogues answer), hated nuclear dodge
  2. Dodd - some great moments, good pacing, solid answers, glad your in the US Senate
  3. Obama - I'm coming around to "what does that mean"?  Mechanisms?  No "bipartisan" solution to Social Security please. Improved some in the latter stages
  4. Biden - had me going on Darfur, but, no.  Where do you think he sees himself compared to Jesus?  Cool on "your baby" from the Michigan Militia freak
  5. Edwards - some highlights on the war, good corporate rants, good on reparations, some very weak moments, get a coherent gay marriage answer, nailed nuclear power.  Dropped two positions on the coat alone.  I'm stunned by the smallness
  6. Richardson - basically weak on everything except education, very unimpressive, did like him calling out GOPers on voter suppression
  7. Kucinich - ugh, McLain, crystals, "democrats failed", sorry.  Says some great things but I have a New Age hangup
  8. Gravel - take your drip and go home

Format was terrible.  Terrible.  Not opposed in principle, but implementation weak.

Really enjoyed global warming reduced to 4th grade level.

No more Anderson Cooper.

by Trond Jacobsen 2007-07-23 05:32PM | 0 recs
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I missed the first hour of the debates and came here to get a sense of what happened.  Your comment thus far is the most informative of this thread.  Thanks.

by Kingstongirl 2007-07-23 05:56PM | 0 recs
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You're NUTS!  Format was great!

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-23 07:37PM | 0 recs
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LOVED Minimum wage question!!

by yitbos96bb 2007-07-23 07:30PM | 0 recs

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