The SC Citadel debate
by Jerome Armstrong, Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 02:51:49 PM EDT
Whew, made it inside the Citidel, and got access into the hall, and what a fortress. Howard Dean is giving an intro to the debate. I heard that he missed his plane at DC National, took a taxi to Dulles, and another plane to Columbia and then buzzed over to Charleston-- what a chairman. Alongside a few other reporters and bloggers, off to the right of the stage. The candidates are being introduced, consider this an open thread.
Update [2007-7-23 19:20:20 by Jerome Armstrong]: Would you describe yourself as liberal? Clinton on "liberal" goes back to the root of what the word means, and then describes how the Republicans have trashed it; she conssiders herself a progressive, which identifies her with an american tradition, a modern progressive, and that's a pretty good answer. Gravel then takes on Obama, and some Robert Wolfe bundler-- who is that? I dunno; Obama then talks about generalities of transparency, anyway, nice butting of the heads there after a slow start to this debate.
Who would you choose as your VP nominee from the Republican party? Would Lieberman count?
Biden: Hagel; yea for bipartisanship-- he's done it he says.
Edwards: Hagel; then eschews the bipartisan bs and says the only way we are going to get things done is to take the power. "Take these people on" is Edwards angle.
Update [2007-7-23 19:28:59 by Jerome Armstrong]: Dodd's video, on his silver head, rocked. That will be worth seeing again. Hillary has already said the "experience" word many times-- talking point? Edwards on Elizabeth vs Hillary & Clinton following-- doesn't match up to the hype.
Update [2007-7-23 19:46:1 by Jerome Armstrong]: Richardson gets trashed a lot in the debate reviews, but he comes off pretty good when talking about how to solve Darfur; Biden follows up with agreeing to the 'no fly zone' but also wants 'troops on the ground'. Clinton agrees on sending troops (though she talks international) to Darfur, but not American-- "we've got to figure out what to do in Iraq". I can't imagine that Americans want to hear from Democrats about more overseas missions, Bush has sorta ruined that, no matter how good the cause, until we get out of Iraq.
Update [2007-7-23 19:57:56 by Jerome Armstrong]: Iraq. "How do we pull out now?" Obama: "as careful to get out as careless as we went in". Biden: "Time to tell some truth"... stay is going to be longer. Clinton has made a lot of segway into showing some anti-war passion... Anderson Cooper shuts down Kucinich with "we're gonna see your TV commercial" ha. Dodd: diplomacy, moral leadership. Richardson: "There's a big difference between me and the Senators". Six months, out; no residual troops. Get it done. Gravel: "What did all these people die for?" Obama: Fingers Clinton, and says "the time for us to ask about how we are going to get out of Iraq was before we went in." Edwards: To stop this war, turn up the heat on Bush. I think Richardson, more and more, is showing the strongest voice on getting out of Iraq, and unlike Clinton or Edwards, Obama is not going to be able to shut down Richardson's move to his left, based on the 2002 vote.