Open Thread

Is Fred Thompson going to be the savior for the Republican Party? Not if he continues to make comments like this gem from earlier this week, when he insinuated that Cuban immigrants are terrorists.

It looks like Hillary Clinton hit Thompson hard over the comment, as she should have. This guy shouldn't be allowed to get away with anything just because he's on Law and Order (though you do know that I'm a fairly religious L&O watcher...).

Anyway, consider this an open thread... What's on your mind?

Tags: Fred Thompson, Hillary Clinton, Open Thread (all tags)



On my mind

Iraq and how the Dem Congress should end it.

By setting a date certain for not funding it.

But that's always on my mind.

by Big Tent Democrat 2007-06-30 03:22PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton

Yes, Hillary Clinton again led in the debate today by slamming Fred Thompson's dumb comment.

Yes, Hillary!! Always on target!! If Fred Thompson is their nominee and Hillary gets the nod, FL is within reach!

by kostner 2007-06-30 03:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton

It ought to be within reach anyway. It may be trending away slightly, but it's still a swing state.

Aside from which, there is no way that Thompson will not help the Republicans in Florida. Maybe he'll turn off the Cuban-American community, but in the more rural areas which have a southern cultural tinge he's the best placed of any GOP candidate.

by Englishlefty 2007-06-30 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton

True, but Bush is their boy too.

We took their best shots the past couple elections.

I don't see how Thompson could build the redneck vote any higher than what Bush got.

So, if the Dems can cut into the Hispanic vote, it would seem we'd have a chance of picking up the state.

by Bush Bites 2007-07-01 12:06AM | 0 recs
unless we run Hillary Clinton

and then count on the whole Elian Gonzalez story to come back again and again. If not for that case, Gore would have won FL easily. Cubans went from voting something like 70 percent GOP in 1996 to close to 90 percent GOP in 2000.

by desmoinesdem 2007-07-01 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: unless we run Hillary Clinton

Letting the Cubans in Florida dictate policy toward Cuba is the epitome of pandering to a special interest group.  1962 was fourty five years ago.  

by Valatan 2007-07-02 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: unless we run Hillary Clinton

And there's some talk that the younger generation of Cuban-Americans aren't so fanatically anti-Castro as the older generation.

The Republican strategy in Florida will involve shouting "Castro! Communism! Bay of Pigs!" endlessly, but they'll shoehorn that in whoever the candidate is. The best we can do is to hope that the returns from that are diminishing.

by Englishlefty 2007-07-02 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton

Her campain chair had already issued a press statement about Thompson's remarks within an hour after the story hit the wires on Thursday.

Today was Clinton's second salvo -- to a gathering of Latino government leaders from around the country.

by hwc 2007-06-30 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton

yes, i knew that. I actually wrote a diary on that. Hillary is so sharp, all the other candidates are like a bunch of Junior high students compared to her.

by kostner 2007-06-30 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary Clinton

With the restored voting rights to ex-felons, Florida should DEFINITELY be in play in 2008

by rikyrah 2007-06-30 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Ah Obama will so kick his ass in the General

by yitbos96bb 2007-06-30 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I doubt Obama will make it to the General.  But, say he did.  Where is he on this issue today?  Why is Clinton the only candidate taking Thompson to task over this issue, two days in a row?  Where are Edwards and Obama on this?   Silent?   Hispanics across the land are watching our candidates to see which one is willing to fight for them.  

by georgep 2007-07-01 04:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

On one hand, yes I applaud HRC for speaking up on this, but at the same time if every one of the major candidates took the time to bash a Republican for saying something idiotic in public they wouldn't have time to talk about their own issues at all. Besides, this comment speaks for itself. Fred Thompson is a moron and anyone who sees this clip knows it.

by JDF 2007-07-01 11:17AM | 0 recs
we should have started google-bombing

Fred Thompson months ago.

by desmoinesdem 2007-06-30 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: we should have started google-bombing

I disagree.  Fred Thompson is unelectable.  He has cancer and his odds of surviving two terms, assuming the absolute best grade and stage of lymphoma (which he claims to have) is about 50%.

Considering his age, and smoking history, I doubt he would be classified so generously.  

If I was a Republican, I would be furious at Thompson for sucking all the oxygen out of a more serious campaign, as pathetic as it already is.

Thompson is either in denial, or is just a very selvish person.  Even if his cancer remains indolent, and does not shorten his life, (a very small possibility) to believe this is not a factor when considering presidential run is delusional.

He reminds me of Paul Tsongas who campaigned so well against Bill Clinton for the Democratic nomination in 1992.  Tsongas beat Clinton in the New Hampshire primary.  He was also in remission for his lymphoma, and made a point about showing the press how healthy he was, claiming his cancer would not affect his presidency.  Poor Paul died in 1996, I believe.

by Winston Smith 2007-06-30 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: we should have started google-bombing

It seems the vacuum in the Republican party, coupled with the pro-Dem atmosphere, is bringing out all the defective candidates. Hell, even that jackass Gingrich may run. In fact, I can't think of one popular Republican candidate that doesn't have at least one major flaw. For the Dems, inexperience seems to be the biggest issue - which seems minor compared to the shitstorm that will follow any of the Repubs in to the GE.

by LandStander 2007-06-30 07:38PM | 0 recs
post on Gingrich in Sioux City, Iowa

by the head of the College Republicans at Iowa State University: /2007/06/newt-gingrichs-american-solutio ns-sioux.html

Interesting reading.

by desmoinesdem 2007-06-30 08:05PM | 0 recs
Re: post on Gingrich in Sioux City, Iowa

Thanks for the link. Did you see the comment there? Good comment.
I actually like Gingrich more than anyone running for the Repub nomination. He is wrong about everything, but he always seemed honest to me. He is also widely hated by the general population. He is like the Repubs version of HRC, but unlike HRC he is probably unelectable.

I hope he joins in the clusterfuck that is the Republican primary!

by LandStander 2007-06-30 08:10PM | 0 recs
Re: post on Gingrich in Sioux City, Iowa

"seemed" is the operative word in "seemed honest."

He has more scams going than Tom Delay himself.

Check out the sponsors of his various 'big ideas,' and you'll see he's on the take.

As for going after Clinton for adultery while having an adulterous relationship, well, if you call that honest......

by Bush Bites 2007-06-30 11:58PM | 0 recs
Re: post on Gingrich in Sioux City, Iowa

I understood Gingrich's tax-free overtime to apply to  income tax to the worker, rather than FICA and Workers' Comp to the employer, as the commenter understood it. The employee would supposedly be motivated for overtime, rather than the employer.

But it would still have a bad effect on unemployment rates, and it isn't something to be encouraged from the standpoint of, say, children or health.

by joyful alternative 2007-07-01 01:35AM | 0 recs
thanks, that was my comment!

I occasionally comment on that kid's website. He is misguided but less mean-spirited than the other Iowa Republican bloggers.

by desmoinesdem 2007-07-01 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: we should have started google-bombing

You can tell it's just a hobby project for Thompson.

Everybody told him he could be president and he figured "what the hell. I'll give it a shot as long as I don't have to work too hard."

The Republicans are so desperate, though, that they've been willing to make that deal with him.

by Bush Bites 2007-07-01 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I truly believe that any of our Democratic nominees have a real shot at POTUS in 2008(well maybe not Richardson).  Having watched the Repub debates, the only candidate that stood out as non-crazy was Huckabee(then he mentioned evolution) and he seems very amiable.  Ron Paul was anti-war, but he wants to dissolve the govt.  Gilmore gets props for not wanting to pardon Scooter, but other than that they all have issues.  Giudy is really a disaster waiting to happen, but George Bush did manage to get elected the second time around.

by Kingstongirl 2007-06-30 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Ron Paul was anti-war, but he wants to dissolve the govt

Hahaha, so true - that guy really cracks me up! I'm so glad he is running.

I agree about Huckabee, but I also thought Brownback would gain traction. He's not great, but he seems more 'acceptable' in terms of his background. But for some ass-backwards reason, only the Repubs with the most twisted, sordid backgrounds are making it into the top tier. Makes me smile.

by LandStander 2007-06-30 07:42PM | 0 recs
I am relieved Huckabee is getting no traction

I think he would have been a great candidate for their side, but the establishment money didn't back him.

One of our occasional babysitters (a college student) is an intern for the Brownback campaign, LOL! We had no idea she was even a Republican. We had to put on our best poker faces when she mentioned her summer job.

My dream is that Gingrich will hop in as well, but I suspect he will try to be the Cheney of Fred Thompson instead.

by desmoinesdem 2007-06-30 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I am relieved Huckabee is getting no traction

Fire her.

by Bush Bites 2007-06-30 11:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Just for fun - what do people think of potential running mates??

Aside from the candidates themselves, who do you think might be in the running for the VP spot?

by LandStander 2007-06-30 07:44PM | 0 recs
if he doesn't run for Senate, Mark Warner

if he raises his campaigning ability, Bill Richardson.

If Hillary is the nominee, Wes Clark.

by desmoinesdem 2007-06-30 07:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I keep thinking Obama for Clinton's VP.  His courting of Republicans is not a great idea to shore up your Democratic base, which is why he lags behind in popularity amongst Democrats and generally can't gain much traction in that group.   But, come the GE he can bring some of that support from the other side as well as some increased Independents plus new-found young voters.  In addition it would be a big-name ticket with the two "superstar" candidates going it together, a compelling combination.  

I personally think Clinton/Obama makes more sense than any other ticket.   Clinton is already seen as the best candidate to deal with the Iraq mess, and some consider her borderline hawkish, so picking Clark would not necessarily be a good fit, IMHO.

by georgep 2007-07-01 04:15AM | 0 recs
no, way too risky

and Hillary is not taking any risks. I would think she would pick a governor if not Clark. It will definitely be a white man, whoever it is.

by desmoinesdem 2007-07-01 07:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Republicans can't seem to function unless they are against some group of people. It doesn't seem to matter if the group is gay, liberal, Cuban, Hispanic, etc.

Whoever their religious right base want's to hate is OK with Republican candidates.

Fred Thompson has lung cancer? He ought to be smoking marijuana. I bet he'd rather die of lung cancer than do that.

Marijuana is one of the more effective cures of cancer. It's also a good anti-nausea control for AIDS and cancer chemotherapy patients.

by Hempy 2007-06-30 07:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Smoked pot contains tar.  It will not cure lung cancer.  It certainly will alleviate pain from cancer, and help with secondary symptoms.  

But come on.  There's a reason you cough when you take a big hit.

by Valatan 2007-07-02 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

Fred Thompson isn't really anything special.  He'll crash and burn just like Giulliani will.  I can't help but figure the nomination is going to someone who doesn't crash the soonest.  Either way, their nominee is going down in the GE.  We need to fight the ground game starting from the bottom up.  US House Races, Senate Races, then the US Presidential election will fall into place from all the different work in key areas.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-06-30 09:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

I'm tired, sorry.  With that said, tomorrow or Monday I'm going to post an extensive diary on the different battle districts for the US House.  Coming to about 20-25 Democrat seats and 40-45 Republican Seats.  

Senate Guru does an esquisite job with the senate seats, so I'll leave that bundle of work to him.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-06-30 09:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread


If he gets the nomination, the Dems should put this statement in a continuous loop on the stations down around Miami.

Florida would be a nice win.

by Bush Bites 2007-06-30 11:52PM | 0 recs
No, actually

It appears from your post that what they did was review a book.

by dpANDREWS 2007-07-01 02:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread
It is not only Fred Thompson, but the Republicans in general will say stupid things. And the Democrats, as usual, will let them get away with it. There are so many things we can do, but never try. My blog
has detailed suggestions and will have many more. The difficulty is getting people to act effectively. Democrats almost never do.
by rmirman 2007-07-01 04:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Open Thread

From the looks of this diary there is at least one candidate who won't let Thompson get away with his rant.  That comment is now etched into Youtube history and will be played over and over to Hispanic crowds should Thompson win the nomination.   He stupidly fell into the Tancredo-Immigration trap, which has caused the Republican party major loss of support amongst the fastest growing voter bloc in the country.   Good to see him cut his legs from underneath him in that demographic, which is crucial in Florida and other swing states.

by georgep 2007-07-01 04:20AM | 0 recs


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