Capitulation Caucus Leader Steny Hoyer

Like this should be a surprise.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer already is talking with key Republicans in Congress about striking a new agreement if President Bush follows through on his promised veto of an Iraq war spending bill that includes timelines for withdrawing U.S. troops.

During a visit to New Hampshire on Sunday, Hoyer said he had little hope that the president will sign the measure, and doubts Democrats could muster the votes to override a veto.

Speaking to reporters with U.S. Rep. Paul Hodes, D-N.H., Hoyer insisted, however, that any new measure hold the Iraqi government accountable for taking over its national security and quelling sectarian violence.

"If there are no consequences, then the government has no incentive to follow those objectives," Hoyer said.

Hoyer said he has already spoken with House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, and Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., about potential solutions after a veto.

Last week, Hoyer was badmouthing the 'short leash' solution which would force Republicans to vote for two months of funding every two months and break their will.  Now he's talking about caving to Bush and cutting out the progressives in a weaker Iraq bill that lets Bush do anything he wants.

This is not acceptable.  Hoyer's contact information is here. Ask him to send a two month funding bill to Bush.

Tags: Escalation, Iraq, Jack Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer (all tags)



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Called. Thanks for the heads-up. You gonna crosspost this at dKos, et al?

by BingoL 2007-05-02 06:35AM | 0 recs
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The biggest mistake that Democrats have made since the 2004 election was voting for Steny Hoyer over Jack Murtha.  Hoyer had a long history of sticking it to Pelosi and other top Democrats.  He was never part of "the winning team" but the most selfish guy on the Hill.  He did a nice job of fund-raising in 2006 but other than that is a consistent drag.  The money he brings to the table is not enough to balance the rest of his act.

by David Kowalski 2007-05-02 06:42AM | 0 recs
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"Vietnamization" all over again.

Just.  Get.  Out.

by RickD 2007-05-02 07:05AM | 0 recs
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The problem with guys like Hoyer is that they don't have the pulse of America. They are always like general's fighting the last war.

They had to be dragged screaming and kicking to make the 2006 election about Iraq and their change of policy. Now they are willing to cave into Bush aqnd the corporate media spin so that they don't have to get into a bruising fight over the change of policy. What they don't realize is that by doing that they now also take responsibility for the war with no political benefit. They have let down the American people by not forcing a new policy to get out of the quagmire. They will pay a price in 2008 - but it probably doesn't matter to them as they are with the DC cocktail circuit crowd.

by ab initio 2007-05-02 07:18AM | 0 recs
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According to the State Department, terrorist attacks in Iraq are up 770% since 2004.

2004: est. 866 terrorist attacks

  1. est. 3500 terrorist attacks
  2. est. 6685 terrorist attacks

I think Steny Hoyer thinks with 10,000 attacks we get a free toaster or something.

Here's Hoyer hedging against Murtha from last week in The Hill:

Looking ahead to a post-veto Iraq spending bill, appropriators are looking at either a two-month or five-month bill, and House Defense Appropriations Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.) said Thursday he thinks one can be passed in two weeks. [...]

Many senators, as well as House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), say they're not inclined to support a two-month supplemental. "There are a lot of ideas being discussed, and Mr. Hoyer personally feels that at this time he doesn't see that particular option moving forward," said Hoyer spokeswoman Stacey Farnen Bernards.

Hoyer and Emmanuel are reverting back to their jelly-spined ways on Iraq. They want 'the issue' for '08 and would rather throw good lives on top of the pile of the lost instead of working to end the Iraq occupation ASAP. It's pathetic.

by joejoejoe 2007-05-02 07:22AM | 0 recs
Ok Matt

so why aren't you supporting Reid-Feingold, and why did you support this supplemental in the first place?

by andgarden 2007-05-02 07:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Ok Matt

a) I don't have a vote in the Senate, but if I had, I would have voted for Reid-Feingold.

b) I supported the supplemental because it has forced nearly every single Republican to go on the record for endless war and has probably brought the war to a closer conclusion.

by Matt Stoller 2007-05-02 09:02AM | 0 recs
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Reading the full article, I'm not seeing how Hoyer is indicating that he is "caving to Bush", as any Bill that has "consequences" in it, as Hoyer mentioned, is going to be vetoed again by Bush, because he wants to stay in Iraq forever. Is Matt assuming that Hoyer is "caving to Bush" because he's talking to GOP'ers about alternative bills?

Murtha's two month appropriation certainly seems to me to be a reasonable resolution of this "impasse", but there may be other alternatives; lets wait to see what Hoyer and others propose before preemptively demonizing them.

by bjschmid 2007-05-02 07:58AM | 0 recs
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If there is an alternative with less teeth in it(which is possible), I wouldn't be surprised, but the Dems have more to gain by holding pat.  Not so for the GOP, according to the latest Pew research.  However, I'm also withholding judgment.

And, let me just add how proud I am of our fellow net-savvy progressives for posting over 100 comments on the BHO myspace kerfuffle, and less than 1/5th of that on this topic. Iraq?  The defining strategic nightmare in modern American history? HELLO?!!

by IrishCatholicDemocrat 2007-05-02 09:07AM | 0 recs
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I would suggest that you read what Karen Tumulty has to say about this (her sources were obviously Tumulty or his people)... he_veto_so_now_what.html

And while there is still some debate over the "short leash" strategy--passing a small funding bill, and continuing to fight--that idea is losing steam, because Democratic leaders believe it would simply give Bush a series of victories.

Hoyer is trying to kill "short leash" in its cradle, because he wants to surrender on Iraq and start passing bills that pay-off his corporate sponsors.

by plukasiak 2007-05-02 10:56AM | 0 recs
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Send the same bill with $1 less in funding or 1 day earlier withdrawal date. If he vetoes that, do it again ... sooner or later even complete idiots get the point.

by BeekerDynasty 2007-05-02 08:50AM | 0 recs
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Hoyer is bad news and he has way too much power.

If the progressives don't target dem leadership in a more direct and sustained way this kind of stuff will go on forever.

by aiko 2007-05-02 09:19AM | 0 recs
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This must be the anti-Hoyer story of the month! Kinda early, no? BTW, are we Dems now against any compromise with the president? Aren't we the pro-diplomacy crowd?

by ND1979 2007-05-02 09:46AM | 0 recs
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"If the progressives don't target dem leadership"
OMG! Pelosi-Hoyer has been a winner the past 3 years! What 99% of Dems voting with their caucus isn't good enough for us? Didn't we used to chastize the GOP for group think?
by ND1979 2007-05-02 09:49AM | 0 recs
Why 2 month installments of endless war?

Send the bill back. I wrote a diary about why.

by msnook 2007-05-02 09:49AM | 0 recs
The problem with Hoyer... that he, at heart, loves this war. Genuinely gets a rush and a thrill from it.

 Hoyer's a good, reliable Democrat on most domestic issues, and I think he's well aware that the polls show that the public wants this war to END, but he just enjoys the killing too much for to act on pulling the plug on the war. It's more a personal thing than a political thing. He's in a safe seat, so he has little to lose by acting that way.

  Democrats like Hoyer have their value, but they shouldn't be allowed anywhere near leadership positions. Unfortunately that ship's been sailed...

by Master Jack 2007-05-02 02:19PM | 0 recs
Lilly-livered Steny Hoyer

I am sorry, but Hoyer is a spineless, capitulating wuss.  He's history.  He's part of the old-guard Democrat that has no balls against the new, mean, take-no-prisoners, Rove Republican Party.  

Guys like Hoyer are stuck in the by-gone era of moderate, sensible Republicans.  They don't exist anymore and Hoyer's ass better get with the program.

by jgarcia 2007-05-02 03:00PM | 0 recs
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Hoyer never served in the military during Viet Nam, but he has no qualms about sending other people off to die in a futile war.
Hoyer is a disgrace to all Marylanders.
His suport of the Bankruptcy act and his conlusion with the K street lobbyists is disgraceful and indecent.
by mdcitizen 2007-05-03 05:28AM | 0 recs


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