Creepy Open Thread

The visuals on this clip of Bush (clipped by TPMCafe are extremely creepy.

Bush is not credible.  It's impressive that the Democratic leadership has by and large internalized this, though some people (like Obama) have not.  The press is the last holdout, apparently.

Anyway, how creepy is that clip?

Tags: Dick Cheney, George Bush (all tags)



Re: Creepy Open Thread

creppy... It felt like.. eeewwww...!

by kevin22262 2007-04-03 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Basically, he's playing chicken with the Democrats, daring them to blink first. He can't make a meaningful case for Iraq so its undermining the troops, in effect making them pawns in his political game.

I'd like to see the Democrats publicly respond by calling on him to stop playing politics on Iraq. Call him the POLITICIAN IN CHIEF & call on him, with 150,000+ troops in harms way, to be more presidential.

by carter1 2007-04-03 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

it is the darth cheney thing... creepy.

by kevin22262 2007-04-03 12:49PM | 0 recs
Where's the love for Richardson?

I'm a bit disappointed at the lack of enthusiasm for Bill Richardson. I know he doesn't have the rockstar factor Obama has, and he doesn't have the immense political machine Clinton has, but he has the resume. He gets things done. and he takes the right positions.

I'm just worried that the right guy for the job is not gonna make it. We have to trust the voters but all too often voters seemed more concerned about celebrity status than substance.

Richardson may not have Celebrity...but he's definitely got the substance. While i'm still undecided on who i'm gonna support, i'm am seriously looking at BIll Richardson. m/korea_north_usa_dc m/usa_marijuana_dc_4

by freaktown 2007-04-03 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Where's the love for Richardson?

Richardson is basically old style politics He's a triangulator, ie. what ever comes up, we'll split it down the middle with the Republicans. Given that the Republicans have moved to the far right, this means enacting a conservative agenda.


by carter1 2007-04-03 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Where's the love for Richardson?

Richardson is a neoliberal.  Not my kind of person.

by jallen 2007-04-03 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Where's the love for Richardson?

I happen to think you are correct and the fact that Richardson just rose to the top of the 2nd tier means that he is officially the dark horse in this race + I agree he has every element of what is needed.

IMHO there will be a good even shot at this for Richardson - I would not at all be surprised to find that when people do their homework (armed with the internet ) they will conclude that Richardson is the most qualified  -

When are the debates?

by heyAnita 2007-04-03 01:43PM | 0 recs
That's Cheney back there?!

Sheesh.  That IS creepy.

He's just hanging around, in the middle distance.

Wonder how he would have reacted if a reporter had just walked up to him and started asking questions.

by RT 2007-04-03 12:59PM | 0 recs

Classy little swipe at Obama.  Is this the new pro-Edwards theme?  A single quote showing some modicum of political realism, and now Barack is the new Lieberman?

I like Obama because he knows he's progressive enough that he doesn't have to pander to people on progressive this one.  I guess, though, he has a thing or two to learn from Edwards, since pandering to us is the only platform he's got.

by Nasara 2007-04-03 01:00PM | 0 recs

I noticed that as well. It's okay though. I just have three things to say,



30,000 (?)


by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-04-03 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah

Obama is beginning a long fade in the polls.  The netroots figured it out first, and the grass roots will follow.

by littafi 2007-04-03 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah

But those aren't votes.

As the saying goes, those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.  And that was a hard lesson from the Dean campaign.  Crowd size doesn't mean much unless each of those people also casts a vote for Obama.

by KimPossible 2007-04-03 04:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

This person you see standing in the garden was the one who handed John Edwards his hat in 2004.

I believe to keep things in perspective, its absolutely creepy to support someone who couldn't beat that guy in a debate..

But then again, realistically - Chris, Jerome and Matt are not exactly hiding their allegiances right now.. its just that .. .if Matt is posting such a highlight of Dick Cheney one always has to think back and as the question..

Why is it, that John Edwards couldn't beat this person in a debate?

After all .. isn't he just standing in the garden gasping for air like a fish? It would seem that all one would have to do, is cut off the supply of fresh virgins and he would go hunger-mad and start chewing up AV equipment or something - I mean, national spectacles seem to be a thing that this administration knows well -

All he needs is a shotgun and the picture would be complete.

by heyAnita 2007-04-03 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

That's your opinion.

by jallen 2007-04-03 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

So your in agreement with FOX and the rest of the corporatist liars in the media that Edwards 'lost' the debate? we have 'progressives' mouthing ReThug lies and spin.

It never ceases to amaze me how Obama supporters sound just like Bush lovers. The only thing they can think to do is attack their opponents ad hominem. Not very progressive guys.


All cattle.

by Pericles 2007-04-03 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

Edwards didn't end up blinking like George Bush - but he did end up looking very lightweight and Cheney just attacked him hard.  It was the objective assessment of the debate, that Cheney won. Not some kind of neoconservative spin - Edwards simply didn't score any points. If you like , we can score it using standard High School Debate Club format. Go see the instant replay.

Do not attempt to  rewrite the broad spectrum of historical record that indicates Edwards lost the 2004 VP debates, by simply trying to attack my character. BTW I am for the record a Richardson supporter at least more or less until the first debates. I always wait until the debates.

Don't fire until you see the white of their eyes.. ;-)

by heyAnita 2007-04-04 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

  Good point, progressives shouldn't have to pander to their progressive supporters.  At least Hillary supporters don't endlessly whine about the front-pagers like Obama supporters do.  Every time they post something critical, Obama supporters try to make it seem that they have some fealty to Edwards.  They're just one step away from accusing them of being on the Edwards payroll.

by cilerder86 2007-04-03 04:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

I don't care who they're supporting (and I haven't made up my mind myself between Obama and Edwards). I just know that there's something wrong when Matt Stoller can't write a simple post about a Bush press conference without including a gratuitous attack on Obama. There's no content or fact-based criticism of Obama here, just an inane accusation that he's a Bush supporter.

by KCinDC 2007-04-03 06:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Nice

  Ridiculous.  That's not what Stoller said at all.  You're putting words in his mouth.

by cilerder86 2007-04-03 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread
If you cannot refrain from trashing Obama then write nothing at all.  I'm fed up.  His position is no different from the dem. leadership.  Or what they propose.  Besides, the dems incorporated Obama's bill into the one that passed last week.
You talk about the msm, well, you are no better than they are or Drudge or Fox.
by vwcat 2007-04-03 01:13PM | 0 recs

It's starting to appear that there's a concerted effort to "turn" certain people off from coming here without actually stating;

"You People Are Not Welcome"

That's how it looks to me. I anyone else can explain different, I'm open.


by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-04-03 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Suppression

Can't you defend your candidate against some criticism?

I've seen a lot of whining from Obama supporters.  I don't know if it is because many are very young or why.

It's a long campaign and Obama will not be worshiped by everyone.  No candidate is.  Get used to it.  

by littafi 2007-04-03 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

After all the attacks you make against Clinton, its nice to see you guys attacking Obama. It's amusing to see the whining Obama supporters go batshit crazy. Suudenly everyone from Sirota to Kos is a wacko. Things change pretty fast.  Thanks!!!

by bsavage 2007-04-03 01:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

They have been dragging this for days.  And clinton deserves what she gets.  She is republican lite and she is pro corporations, and she is corrupt.

by vwcat 2007-04-03 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Hillary is not that bad, women in leadership have been taking the men to the paint here / what with pelosi finally delivering on congressional action!

Seriously Hillary is strongest on healthcare and if that one thing gets done wow it would be great for all of us so I frankly don't have any complaints against hillary either.  

I just think its funny to see people throwing away their objectivity. I don't officially count myself as an obama person because I  think Bill richardson is the cat's meow!  I always wait until the debate.

by heyAnita 2007-04-03 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Edwards actually has a healthcare plan and doesn't already have a history of already having fucked up a universal healthcare plan.

by Valatan 2007-04-03 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

such harsh words - well, again, don't mistake me for being pro-hillary here but ..

let's just say you and i disagree who is the originator, and who is the imitator..

:-) again its dumb for anyone to throw their non=activist support to any candidate who can't place or win in a debate.

Does anyone know when the debates are going to happen? If Bill Richardson posts a strong showing there I will be all for him. Otherwise , giving the strength, clarity and focus of the edwards supporters on this board - I will support Obama! >:)

by heyAnita 2007-04-04 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread
Your anti Hillary Clinton tirade is laughanle. You make the same exact comments about Clinton repeating Sean Hannity talking points on every website from Taylor Marsh to Chris Cilliza and many others.
Obama just trashed Reid and Feingold because they want to end the war, if he is a real anti war Democrat then he should stand up and stop trying to appeal to conservatives.
by bsavage 2007-04-03 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Sean Hannity's talking point is that Hillary is too conservative for the democratic party?


by Valatan 2007-04-03 04:02PM | 0 recs
She's also... the political machine to bury everyone else in the primary but she'll never win on the national stage since both extremes and much of the middle will not support her.

by DetCord 2007-04-03 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: She's also...

well to be objective, given the choice between a hard right conservative and hillary - I will have to tell you that hillary will pick up by proxy the extreme on her side of the aisle.  This will give her the edge and she is outraising her rivals by a big margin.. i mean the other side of the aisle.. it seems , and maybe rightly so, that the most darwinistic side of the primaries is on the democrat side. the gop just looks kind of aimless, huckabee, guiliani, etc. .

by heyAnita 2007-04-04 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Remember when some thought Bush was credible:

JONATHAN KARL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Wolf, the preliminary results are in. And they certainly are charmed. Talking to Democrats today after Bush addressed their retreat -- Democratic senators -- and they couldn't say enough nice things about President Bush.

As a matter of fact, I talked to Senator Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat. And he said of Bush -- and this is a direct quote, Wolf -- he said "He could go down in history as a great president," this after just 13 days of Bush at the White House.

by Bob Brigham 2007-04-03 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

I saw that when watching. I couldn't believe my eyes. Very very creepy. And unreal. Is he checking up on junior? Is he that isolated? I'm trying to understand.......

by Carolyn in Baltimore 2007-04-03 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Carolyn - isn't it obvious?. haven't you read about all the strange disappearances of children around the white house..?

That wasn't a look of checking up.. it was a look .. of hunger...

by heyAnita 2007-04-03 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Did anyone else notice that Bush was wired up whilst making his speech this mornig?

When he turned to leave the podium the outline of some sort of pack was clearly outlined on the back of his jacked.  He then walked through the doors back into the WH and buttoned his jacked as he walked.

by pia 2007-04-03 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

 Hey, Democratic fans of Romney, look at this!  A new Iowa poll: McCain 21%, Giuliani 20%, Romney 17%. l/040307poll.html

by cilerder86 2007-04-03 02:55PM | 0 recs
Three way tie!

that's pretty exciting

by Valatan 2007-04-03 04:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

I am an Obama supporter (for the record). I think it is a mistake to suppose that Obama thinks Bush is "credible" just because he acknowledges the power of the position Bush currently holds. I believe Obama is thinking strategically about the post-veto environment. I think Obama is trying to frame his own opposition to the war within his support for the troops, as Bush obviously tries to split the two messages apart to hurt the Dems. I am assuming that those who now criticize Obama prefer another candidate, but maybe I'm wrong. Hard to say, since they haven't addressed that question. One has to wonder, though.

by howieinseattle 2007-04-03 02:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Yeah, Obama is trying to figure out how to have his "Voted for ending the war before voting to continue it indefinitely" moment without actually saying it.    Isn't that the shorter version of what you just wrote?  Or, did I misinterpret something.

Incidentally, Obama had a chance last fall to help push an anti-war effort by activley supporting Lamont in CT.  Obama punted, decided against it.  Nuff said.

by VizierVic 2007-04-03 03:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Obama wasn't gonna hurt his good friend and colleague Joey the LiarMann.

Obama'a a very good speaker, I heard him in Oakland, and I was ready to give him a closer look but this latest triangulation with the Feingold/Reid tactic just sucks.

I note that Obama supporters are uniformly aggressive and have no compunction about attacking anyone....

Anyone who criticizes the Senator.

I've coined a term for them:

'The Obama Police'

Franky, they are just a little too like Bush supporters in their foaming at the mouth attacks on others.

That more than anything else makes me very leary of his candidacy.

by Pericles 2007-04-03 10:01PM | 0 recs
Talk about Creepy

Tommy Thompson on Chris Matthews: black magic marker to his eyebrows, ridiculous tupee with a Reaganesque swoop.  He suddenly seems a much less formidable opponent.  

by Winston Smith 2007-04-03 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Talk about Creepy

I keep getting him confused with Fred Thompson anyway.  Which one is the guy on Law and Order?  

by Winston Smith 2007-04-03 04:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Talk about Creepy

F. Thompson = Mr. Hollywood

by Akonitum 2007-04-03 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Talk about Creepy

You'll know Tommy Thompson when you see a bumbling idiot.

by the wanderer 2007-04-03 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

You Edwards folks are just tired...  He bombed against Cheney  in the debate and now he is the great progressive.

The only Senator(s) that did more for Lamont than Obama were Kennedy and Dodd.  At least Obama sent out an e-mail endorsement.  

He should have done more but when even Russ fails to show up and help it was just better to help those you can like Cardin in Maryland.

If you Obama is fading in the polls keep dreaming.  He is best one in this race because he has a vision for America.  It's not about doing what is right not about polotics.  

by jproctor 2007-04-03 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

An email endorsement?  Wow, what a movement Obama is starting, huh?

It's interesting that since his start in politics, Obama has only spent energy doing things for Obama.  He gives less than a shit about the prog movement.

by jgarcia 2007-04-03 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

I have been and will continue to be critical of Obama when necessary, but the continuous trashing of him on this site is starting to annoy me.  The "We created you, and we can destroy you!" attitude is juvenile & naive.

The Obama supporters have been a lot more civil to John Edwards, who also has baggage and credibility problems.  If you want to continue playing this game, then there will be people who have no problem cutting loose on Edwards.  Is that what you really want?  This site should serve a higher purpose.

by stuckinsf 2007-04-03 06:01PM | 0 recs
Cheney is Vader

Isn't it obvious...Cheney uses telepathy mindwaves to beams talking points into Bush's thick skull to his brain.

by optimusprime 2007-04-03 06:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Cheney is Vader

your lack of faith.. disturbs me.. :-)

by heyAnita 2007-04-04 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

   Whiny Obama followers: Wahhhhhhhh.  Jesus!  Personal attacks on Matt Stoller and John Edwards won't help your candidate.  It's certainly pushed me into the Edwards camp.

by cilerder86 2007-04-03 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

Fortunately I'm not basing my decisions about Edwards on how some of his supporters behave in blog comments, but on his positions, words, and actions, which seem pretty good so far.

by KCinDC 2007-04-03 08:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Creepy Open Thread

That's pretty low, threatening the troops with longer stints or premature deployment.  In other words, "Give me the money, with no strings attached and no pre-election deadline, or I'll put as many soldiers in the line of fire as I can!"  

This isn't a game of chicken, this is a hostage situation.

by tgrigsby 2007-04-03 09:30PM | 0 recs


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