Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

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With all due respect to the Rock & Roller, Rudy Guiliani is the Jerry Lee Lewis of American politics. He married his cousin. That's incest. When Jerry Lee did it, it destroyed his career.

So it's Jerry Lee Giuliani. He ought to be on the ballot that way. Some might consider this an outrageous thing to say, of course. The politics of personal destruction and all that.

But who cares that I said it? Still, I have no less standing than Ann Coulter. More, really, since I have actually been engaged for two decades in constructive political organizing, campaign managing and consulting, and political writing that has actually helped, in some modest and nearly imperceptible way, determine the outcome of some races and shed some tiny amount of light on how our process works. But I'm not on cable news talking about Jerry Lee Giuliani. The Bilious Bimbo hurls her slurs at John Edwards, however, and it is news. It shouldn't be.

The Bilious Bimbo is a nobody. What she thinks and what she says is meaningless by every possible standard of news. This complaint is not really about her, though. Might as well complain about hives. The itchy spot just gets itchier when it's scratched. No, my complaint is with those who give her a platform to speak.

The death of Anna Nicole Smith, the travails of Britney Spears, and the poor lost-in-space exploits of a love-sick astronaut have dominated the news lately. But even the celebrity sucking shows are wondering out loud how they wound up making nobodies famous, or famous people famous because they were famous. I saw just such a self-referential story on the airport t.v. the other night.  Ah, the infinite regress of our mirrored reality.

Well, so it is with Coulter. She's empty as a Krispy Kreme. Nothing about our democracy depends upon what she thinks or says. She will be ignored by history, and she should be ignored by us.

Giving Ann Coulter a platform to spew filth is like marrying your cousin. And the news media's marriage to her should be annulled. Now.

If Jerry Lee Giuliani or the Bilious Bimbo or the media take offense at the above, I'd like to quote Judge Roy Bean, as portrayed by Paul Newman in the 1972 movie about the cantakerous, 19th Century Texas hanging judge. Bean, you see, had angered the ladies of Langtry by calling them whores. Here's how he apologized when his deputies, married to these same ladies, asked him to restore domestic tranquility by apologizing for his comment.

l understand you've taken my calling you whores. l'm sorry. l apologize. l ask you to note...that l did not call you callous-ass strumpets...fornicatresses, or low-born gutter sluts. But l did say whores. No escaping that. And for that slip of the tongue...l apologize.

Tags: Ann Coulter, Jerry Lee Lewis, Rudy Giuliani (all tags)



Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

Goodness gracious great balls of fire!

by heyAnita 2007-03-06 03:39AM | 0 recs

Guiliani and Peruggi were second cousins.

In which state is that incest?

And in a piece about Coulter, too...

by skeptic06 2007-03-06 03:40AM | 0 recs
Obama went to a "madrassa"

And in 500 years you'll never convince conservatives that's not the same thing as signing an oath to Osama bin Laden.

by jcjcjc 2007-03-06 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Incest?

And Guiliani allegedly didn't know she was his second cousin at the time they got married.

Also, Albert Einstein married his first cousin.

by fwiffo 2007-03-06 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Incest?

In New York, it's actually legal to marry your first cousin.  I had to learn that for the bar exam.

by Steve M 2007-03-06 06:08AM | 0 recs
Jerry Lee's cousin

...wasn't she 14 years old too.

Let's wait and slam Guiliani after he wins the primary.    ....because I still think McCain is the bigger threat.

by Cleveland John 2007-03-06 04:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee's cousin

She was 13.  That was certainly the overriding issue that turned people against JLL.

by Disputo 2007-03-06 04:20AM | 0 recs
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Come on.  For one thing, the scandal with Jerry Lee was that she was 13 - not that she was his cousin.  And Giuliani married his SECOND cousin, which is legal in every single state in the union, and is not all that uncommon.  Heck, FIRST cousin marriage is legal in about half the states, and is pretty normal in most of the rest of the world.

by ignatz 2007-03-06 04:19AM | 0 recs
It would be in poor taste

Thank God when the Republicans feel the urge to call Bill Clinton a rapist that they hold back on account of good taste.

We owe them the same respect.

In point of fact, I think we should accuse Guiliani of tampering with public documents to cover-up the fact that it was not his cousin, but really his sister/daughter born of a relationship from abusing his mother just after he murdered his father.

You know...

Democrats never had any fun with the fact that George W. Bush does in fact have homosexual leanings.  

They had a little more fun with the Skull and Bones thing, but nominating Kerry sort of screwed that one up, dammit.

We barely got around to quietly accusing his father of being in collusion with Osama's dad.

At what point to Democrats not realize that Republicans would have slaughtered us in a very public manner had we run a joke like George W. Bush?

We ran a rather noble man in John Kerry, and they accused him of faking war injuries!

Fuck the Republicans.  They deserve no quarter and shall receive no quarter.

by jcjcjc 2007-03-06 04:30AM | 0 recs
Re: It would be in poor taste

I would be careful about what you wish for, you might get it.

Talk about the morning after, for that one..

by heyAnita 2007-03-06 05:45AM | 0 recs
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So, why exactly is this front-paged?

by fwiffo 2007-03-06 04:24AM | 0 recs
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Because Jerry Lee Lewis was a Libra.

by Steve M 2007-03-06 06:09AM | 0 recs
It may be legal

But it is still gross.

In any case, I think the bigger scandal is that Guiliani claims to not have known that his first wife was his second cousin until they had been married 14 years.  He's either lying or an idiot.  What ignoramus doesn't know that the grandchildren of his grandparents siblings are his second cousins.  Guiliani family reunions must have doubled as singles mixers.

by Disputo 2007-03-06 04:38AM | 0 recs
Re: It may be legal

He was lying. He wanted to get an annulment to marry someone else.

by joyful alternative 2007-03-06 11:14AM | 0 recs
It's a tremendous dishonor

to Jerry Lee Lewis, to compare him to Rudy Giuliani.

The Killer deserves better at our hands.

by brownsox 2007-03-06 04:50AM | 0 recs
Re: It's a tremendous dishonor

Seriously. The man had incredible tallent. Jerry Lee Lewis I mean.

by DMIer 2007-03-06 05:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

FDR and Eleanor were cousins.

by alhill 2007-03-06 04:59AM | 0 recs
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They were fifth cousins, for the record.  I think Al Sharpton and Strom Thurmond might be more closely related.  But FDR probably couldn't have gotten away with claiming he didn't know, since her maiden name was Roosevelt!

by Steve M 2007-03-06 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

I posted the following on DailyKos:

I concur with the great majority of the posts: Giuliani has long had a tendency to self-destruct, and his notorious temper (the loosest of loose cannons)will manifest itself early on.

Still, the mainstream media, desperate to retain Republican White House rule, will do all that is possible to eviscerate the former NYC Mayor's Democratic rivals.  And the establishment shall do this while attempting to cover Mr. Giuliani's notorious (by anybody's standards) philandering and business deals (also by anybody's standards), to say nothing of that assuredly disqualifying temper (the last character trait needed when dealing with allies from whom we have become long isolated).

And this is the very same establishment that trumpeted the impeachment of President Clinton when he would not come clean about his sex life while under oath, after years in which a Ken Starr witch hunt had turned up otherwise nothing.  Under such an investigation, or even one half as thorough, Mr. Giuliani would indeed have a meltdown.

The United States is already suffering from far too many years of reactionary leadership, stemming from the bone-headed policies of an addlepated (but media adored) film star turned president, Ronald Reagan, at whose altar Mr. Giuliani worships.

Thus, the GOP current Presidential crop is currently centered on a bizarre, vacillating Mormon (former Governor Romney), a dazed and confused geriatric (Senator McCain) and a family estranged, thrice-married dictatorial big-city boss (Mr. Giuliani) in love with the delusional imagery created of him following 9/11.

Were it not for a recent history of outright stolen election ballots, a skewered Right-wing Supreme Court, a media long entrenched with the authoritarian noblesse oblige of the GOP, one would hope to believe that against such a motley crew even a half-rational Democratic candidate would prevail.

by lambros 2007-03-06 05:07AM | 0 recs
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"Still, the mainstream media, desperate to retain Republican White House rule."

Why is this may I ask?

by AmericaOutloudorg 2007-03-06 05:30AM | 0 recs
"incest" is inappropriate
We ought to be very careful here. For one thing, as others have mentioned, Jerry Lee Lewis' wife was very, very young. Perhaps I'm overly sensitive because of the close relation of my own grandparents...
by Nancy Scola 2007-03-06 05:24AM | 0 recs
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There is nothing wrong with marrying a cousin -- even a first cousin -- it was done all the time in previous centuries. Biologists will tell you that there is enough biological diversity between first cousins as to avoid birth defects.

The only reason I know all this, btw, is because I'm a student of nineteenth century English literature. These types of marriages occur constantly in those works. And art is a reflection of the society that creates it, dontcha' know.

This being said, Giuliani is a twisted, goose-stepping moron, whose policies are to the right of Jeffery Dahmer.

I hate Giuliani for so many legitimate reasons. For me, marrying his second cousin isn't something I care about.

And wasn't Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin thirteen-years old at the time they married? The scandal was the fact that she was a minor, not that she was his second cousin.

A little FYI to go with your morning coffee.

by Tod Westlake 2007-03-06 05:35AM | 0 recs
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I agree with Tod.  Jerry Lee Lewis was different because his cousin also happened to be a minor.

Giuliani is a bully.  There have to be tons of Macaca moments in his career.  Lets attack him on that corruption and cronyism.

by Hellmut 2007-03-06 07:29AM | 0 recs
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This is the dumbest thing I've seen on the front page here.

by Bee 2007-03-06 05:37AM | 0 recs
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Dumb? Dumb? I thought I might piss some people off, but I didn't think I'd get comments defending incest, or commenters failing to see that my very point is to raise the issue of the line between important news and bad taste.

My next post is going to be about Irony in the Blogosphere.

by Glenn Smith 2007-03-06 06:28AM | 0 recs
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My next post is going to be about Irony in the Blogosphere.

This is only acceptable if you can avoid sarcasm, hyperbole, or understatement.  Litotes, especially, will get you every time.

But barring those traps, it's perfectly safe to write about Irony in the Blogosphere.

by L Boom 2007-03-06 06:53AM | 0 recs
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Well, when you start out trying to make a point, and end up arguing with commentors and accusing them of "defending incest" and "supporting cousin marriage," the implication is that you didn't get your point across very well.

by Steve M 2007-03-06 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

First - I will introduce myself. I am an out of work Soldier of the United States Army turned militant Politico by a few close friends. I am new to this blog and would appreaciate a warm welcome from all.

Back to the reply at hand -

Let's not forget that Egyptian Pharaohs almost always wed their own sisters. I wouldn't compare Mr. Crime Fighter himself to an Egyptian Pharaoh, but I can see where a self indulged idealistic power centric political figure could decline to procreate with someone outside of his hierarchical family line. "Keep it in the family" faired very well with powerful families of ancient days.  

Who is he to abide by the taboos of a nation full of people far below him? For his love is justified and a caring love - nonetheless it is still not "right" and he will lose points when this is exploited by yours truly. Does the Catholic Church condone "kissing cousins"?

As far as your outcry over Annie C and her quest for self pleasuring echoes of hatred throughout the hallways of K Street; well I think your remarks are fueled by a dab of jealousy entwined with a similar lust for prominent notice from those around you. Oh, don't cry my dear friend for you have gained yet another fan today - me.

by AmericaOutloudorg 2007-03-06 05:42AM | 0 recs
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For those who defended cousin marriage, or felt the mention of Guiliani's marriage was in poor taste or tactically wrong, part of the point is the ick of raising the question about Guiliani, and how when some, like Coulter, make news when they attack, no matter their importance or background.

by Glenn Smith 2007-03-06 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

Do you attack in the hopes to make news? I know I try it every day.

Reminds me of the small business loan commercials for Capital One.

In stead though:

"Whats in your blog?"

by AmericaOutloudorg 2007-03-06 06:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

Point taken. But I would suggest that there are so many ways to go after Giuliani, it's like a frakin Whitman's Sampler.

How about the fact that he was banging his mistress, in Gracie Mansion, while his wife was asleep in another room?:

His policy of humiliating and intimidating his critics finally extended to his own household. Giuliani could, in fact, have learned something from the wise guys he used to bust about how to keep a mistress without embarrassing the missus. In 2000, the second Mrs. Giuliani, newscaster Donna Hanover, had to obtain a court order to stop him from bringing girlfriend Judith Nathan to Gracie Mansion, where she and Rudy's children were still living. Rudy struck back by announcing his separation to the press before telling his wife. Donna had a press conference outside the mansion in which she accused the mayor of also cheating on her with his former press secretary, Christyne Lategano, though that wasn't news to any of the reporters in attendance. Rudy had the last word. The wife and kids were eventually booted out of said mansion, and Judy Nathan became his third wife.
That's a character attack -- a legitimate character attack -- that has legs.

by Tod Westlake 2007-03-06 06:23AM | 0 recs
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I tend to agree with you.  I was more bothered by the way he handled his divorce announcement with Donna - at least have the courtesy to talk with her b/f announcing it to the press.  That and his strained relationship with his children tells me more about him than anything.

I am waiting for the moment that Giuliani gets challenged in a way he doesn't like by either the press or an activist and has one of his famous meltdowns which NYCers know well.  That will be interesting to watch.  

Has anyone noticed, that despite all the Repub harping about family values and the humiliation endured by her family in the press, Chelsea Clinton seems to be a very well adjusted, normal, productive member of society.  Regardless of how you may feel about their politics, that says something good about the way the Clinton's conducted themselves at home.

by John Mills 2007-03-06 06:43AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, I will give Clintons a lo of credit for the way they raised Chelsea. Compare the so called "degenerate Bill Clinton"'s raising of his daughter to the "family values George and Laura Bush" raising their good for nothing drunkass  nicotine addicted daughters.

by Pravin 2007-03-06 07:41AM | 0 recs
Is the Jerry Lee comparison meant to be sarcastic?

Jerry Lee married his freaking 13 year old cousin while staying in her family's house as a guest. Big difference! I thought this was a parody but then your reponses to some MYDDers seem too serious.

You can get Guiliani on a lot of things. Jerry Lee Lewis is no longer an outcast by the way.

Now if you meant this entry simply as a parody of Coulter or just to give the REpubs a taste of their own medicine, that is different. But it is silly to give this diary front page status as another MYDDer mentioned.

And if you are going to embrace the diversity of immigrants like most Democrats will, marriages to second cousins is not exactly a rare thing in a lot of middle eastern and some asian countries.

by Pravin 2007-03-06 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Jerry Lee Giuliani and the Bilious Bimbo

What exactly is the point of this?  When you have to constantly harp at people for not getting your irony, it's usually a sign your irony wasn't very good.

Also, Krispy Kremes are delicious and are good for our democracy.

by Baldrick 2007-03-06 07:59AM | 0 recs
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Glenn's point, and it's a good one, is that why is Anne Coulter held to a different standard?

let's suppose for a second that Rudy was a Democratic front runner? what sort of thing might Anne say about him being married to his second cousin? I think we all know the answer to that. Hell, Rush would be playing BANJO MUSIC every time he mentioned the man's name.

Look in your heart Skywalker, and you will know this to be true.

by cage free brown 2007-03-06 08:02AM | 0 recs
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I heartily condemn the attacks on Giuliani for marrying a second-cousin and lying about knowing that she was his cousin.  We should all condemn such attacks vociferously and righteously until everyone knows that attacking Giuliani for marrying a cousin and then lying about knowing that she was his cousin to further his political career has no place in the New Politics we are intent on creating.  Whether a presidential candidate married his cousin and then lied about knowing that she was his cousin, or performed contemptibly as a husband and father. . .such things totally irrelevant and I see it as my duty to point this out relentlessly and thoroughly at every turn.

by McFrederick 2007-03-06 09:40AM | 0 recs
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That's the spirit! I heartily agree. Thanks.

by Glenn Smith 2007-03-06 09:49AM | 0 recs
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