C-Span Open Thread

I'm on at 8am to talk about Presidential politics and blogging.

A shorter way thinking about the of blogs on politics is to recognize that the elite stream of opinion - that of policymakers, elites, politicians, journalists - is largely out of step with the public.  Blogs play in the space between the elite stream of discourse and the discussions going on in bars and over kitchen tables.

I don't know how that will play out throughout the Presidential election.  Bush is still President, and he's unpredictable and is unlikely to play the good soldier for the Republican Party.  That strikes me as a big enough variable that I can't really move beyond it to make any predictions.

Blogs are still going to push on public discourse to make it more credible and in step with the public mood.

Tags: 2008, C-Span, netroots (all tags)

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Link?

Cannot find anything at the C-Span site. It is a surprise when their listings are correct.

by afox 2007-03-18 04:03AM | 0 recs
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Here it is, listed as "Situation in Palestine"

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan_wm. asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

by afox 2007-03-18 04:09AM | 0 recs
Audio Only Link

The other link is to the live feed.  However, for those of us who missed it, here's an audio only link of the show.
rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_ wj031807_stoller.rm

Just copy the link into realPlayer: File->Open

by maddogg 2007-03-19 06:20AM | 0 recs
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Matt - don't look at the camera.

by Karatist Preacher 2007-03-18 04:09AM | 0 recs
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You're looking considerably more comfortable appearing on C-PAN these days, Matt. Way to go!

by fafnir 2007-03-18 04:10AM | 0 recs
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Ummm,

What the heck is Matt talking about?

"White Liberals"

Okay, I'm going to try not to read too much into that one , but if he meant what I think he meant , he's like totally up for a cultural awakening.

;p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:13AM | 0 recs
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I think this comment refered to what he thinks is a silent majority or demog. that now has a way to voice an opinion or "play a role" in cyberspace where they've felt right at home for the last 30 years. Am I close? I'm new...  

by dJPest 2007-03-18 04:49AM | 0 recs
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I don't know. I mean , he threw it in for no reason which is why I was a little startled. In any event, if I can disagree with him on just one thing , then he's alright. Overall, I like him. Besides, we need progressive whites speaking out to squelch the voice of the white College Republicans who are pretty much, racist on hormones.( Seriously, have you seen what they have been up to? The Racist Parties and the Racist Activities on campus) So, if there are more White Liberals out there speaking against them , that's a good thing.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:54AM | 0 recs
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Definitely.., Hippies Unite!! What's right isn't always popular and any medium,like the blogosphere, one can use to promote change is a good one especially if it is a world wide forum and advertising bulletin.

by dJPest 2007-03-18 05:10AM | 0 recs
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I was in college Republicans my freshman year about 11 years ago, even though I was supporting Clinton; I didn't really believe what they supported but didn't really know my political identity.

Boy, there were some Freaky girls in there though... I won't admit to some of the things I said to get them into bed... nothing racist, just agreeing to a little wingnuttery... but some of those peoples beliefs are messed up.

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:08AM | 0 recs
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I did like the fact that he stated he would never consider endorsing Hillary though.

;p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:15AM | 0 recs
Matt looks stoned.

Hehe. Way to trash Hillary.

by Intercaust 2007-03-18 04:16AM | 0 recs
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Well, I don't know. He did make that "White Liberal" comment.

Maybe he will clarify that later with a bunch of "stats". For the record, I'm not white. I'm up early in the morning watching CSpan and Blogging. I'm 32 and a female so..........

Yeah.

;p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:21AM | 0 recs
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I wonder..? Is Obama a scientificly inclined person? Does NE1 Know?

by dJPest 2007-03-18 05:14AM | 0 recs
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I believe so... He is definately spiritual, but not to the extent that he ignores Science for scripture...  I guess it depends on your definition... He isn't a creationist or anything like that.

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:11AM | 0 recs
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I'm glad Matt explained the Fox news Debate issue. He's absolutely correct about Fox being a surrogate for Republicans. I'm starting to like you Matt.

'p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:18AM | 0 recs
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Yup, he is right..Fox news is a surregate for the Republicans...just as CNN, MSNBC, are surregates for the Democrates.

by jimmy20603 2007-03-18 05:01AM | 0 recs
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Democrates?

The BLOGS are the surrogates for Democrats. There are no Media outlets that we call home the way republicans call Fox News home.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 05:03AM | 0 recs
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If the News Network is bias, I watch because it's good to know your enemy.If the channel
aint bias I'll respect em.
by dJPest 2007-03-18 05:28AM | 0 recs
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But, but, but...the news media is completely biased for the liberals except 'fair and blankets' Fox.  Even C-Span, this has been common knowledge since Goldwater's time.  To paraphrase Colbert (since I am too lazy to look up a quote), reality and facts have a liberal bias.

by msstaley 2007-03-18 06:55AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Tim Russert, Glenn Beck, Tucker Carlson, Don Imus, all "surrogates for Democrates".

CNN can't fall over their feet fast enough to adopt every GOP talking point, from "cut'n'run" to "slow bleed", and Wolf Blitzer frames every argument, from Iraq to Katrina, as "why haven't the Democrats solved this problem they helped create". Candy Crowly repeating all the lazy, pro-Republican CW; Jeff Greenfield cheerleading for privatization for Social Securiry. True surrogates there.

by BlueinColorado 2007-03-18 07:00AM | 0 recs
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"George Bush is a man of low character."

Indeed.

Indeed.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:23AM | 0 recs
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I loved that.  This is something we all should use.  Bush is low character!

by vwcat 2007-03-18 04:47AM | 0 recs
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It's true. There's nothing that can come out of his mouth at this point, that would be believable by even an American of average intelligence.

Nothing.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:49AM | 0 recs
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TO steal a phrase...

George W. Bush is like school in the summer time... No Class!

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:16AM | 0 recs
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I must say, I agree with most of what you are saying there on C-Span.

You views upon FOX NEWS were on target.

Cheers, to another strong, American, voice.

I'll be reading.

by cain 2007-03-18 04:24AM | 0 recs
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He is right on target about Fox and I'm so glad he the balls to say it. This is the difference between the Democratic Constituents and the cowards in Congress.

BIG DIFFERENCE

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:26AM | 0 recs
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"I don't know where you found this boy!"

LOLOLOL!

by Atomic 2007-03-18 04:28AM | 0 recs
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I was ROTFL after she said: "The first thing you did wrong was get out of bed this morning."

C-SPAN callers rule.

by blueflorida 2007-03-18 04:34AM | 0 recs
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Laughing - I've gotta admit that call was funny as hell.

by Karatist Preacher 2007-03-18 04:36AM | 0 recs
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When attacked that way, go right to the attackers problem. Just ask them "Why are you so afraid of Hillary?" That usually sets them off into another rant. lol

by TurdBlossomsbehindthecurtain 2007-03-18 07:38AM | 0 recs
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He looks like Iranian president Ahmadinejad without the tie.  

by Winston Smith 2007-03-18 04:31AM | 0 recs
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LOL.

That Alabama "goat" represents OLD America. Ignore her.

In the end, Matt On a scale from 1 to 10 , I have to give you a nine. I was going to give you an eight because of the strange comment , but the tie , or lack there of, for two reasons, I gave you an extra point. One because Barack Obama goes tie less at times as well and also because that old goat attacked you and I just couldn't let that one slip.

You go boy.

;p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:33AM | 0 recs
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wear a tie!  :)

by lutton 2007-03-18 04:33AM | 0 recs
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Nice job this morning, Matt!  Too bad about the one woman.  She wanted to give you a spanking!

by USAagain 2007-03-18 04:34AM | 0 recs
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Did she say, boy?

Yo, Matt! You left-wing, scraggly, no tie wearing, Democratic operative freak show.

Nothing warms the cockles of my heart more than hearing a wing-nutter's head explode on a Sunday morning. Score!

by fafnir 2007-03-18 04:34AM | 0 recs
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I have several questions about the things you are saying on C-span.  You say that Fox News is only a Republican tool, but you don't mention the clear bias of the other news networks.  Everyone who watches things clearly knows that all news channels have a clear political bias.  I used to be a faithful viewer of CNN even when there were other choices.  I stopped watching them after they knowingly published several stories that they KNEW were patently false but promoted the agenda of the network.  Did you call them a Democratic tool at that point?  I stopped watching NBC news for the same reason.  I don't like to get my news from people who purposely set out to lie to me.  I don't vote for specific parties.  I vote for the candidate who best represents me.  Sometimes that person is a republican; sometimes that person is a democrat; sometimes that person is an independent.   While listening to you on C-Span, I was frustrated because you clearly discount the contributions of anyone who is not in agreement with you.  Would you not then be guilty of the same traits for which you so vehemently chastise others?

by tiredofliberalbias 2007-03-18 04:37AM | 0 recs
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Oh well, then I have great news for you. CNN has changed into a subtle right wing propaganda machine so, feel free to head on back. They lost me with Glen Beck, but I believe you will fall in love with him. You will also love Lou Dobbs. Don't watch Paula Zahn though. She deals with issues that you think are okay. She promotes a change in social behavior that you will never embrace so don't watch her. Overall though, you will like the new CNN.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:41AM | 0 recs
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I don't go back to stations that purposely publish lies--period.  I am intelligent enough to be able to filter what people are saying.  I don't trust any one news source because of that bias.  In some ways I am very liberal and in others very conservative.  I am just tired of people attacking anyone who is tired of news organizations that pretend they are not biased.  Fox News admits that they lean to the right.  CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC will never admit their bias.  Could it be CNN is trying to regain the viewers it lost by its patent lies in the past?  Isn't it ironic that this is causing them the ones who stayed behind?

by tiredofliberalbias 2007-03-18 04:49AM | 0 recs
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causing them to lose instead of causing them--sorry

by tiredofliberalbias 2007-03-18 04:52AM | 0 recs
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There are no major News Media Organizations as biased as Fox News.

Period.

Every outlet has some bias, but not to the degree of Fox News. Every single one of them are promoting the Republicans except for Colmbs who, I think we all can agree on , does not represent Democrats. We don't just sit there and take it from the right like he does.

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 04:58AM | 0 recs
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Colmes is Hannity's bitch. He's there to make Dems look like ignorant pussies.

by Intercaust 2007-03-18 04:39PM | 0 recs
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"Fair and Balanced" doesn't doesn't sound to me like admitting to being right leaning.  Even if they did say that they lean to the right it still wouldn't be an accurate statement.  They are a GOP propaganda machine.  They get memos from Mehlman and Rove and simply regurgitate the content and imbelish those contents with lies.  Other MSM options have short comings in that they get the story wrong, sometimes inject some bias left or right, and cover unimportant topics while failing to report on important goings on, but none of them is a propaganda machine which takes its orders from and bows to the Democratic party.  Comparing Fox and it's shortcomings to those of the others stations is not a valid comparison.  Apples and oranges.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 05:01AM | 0 recs
banal talking point

Fox is right, the others are left, it all balances out...yawn.  This is transparently false.

Fox has not admitted it "leans right" which is still not a sufficient confession, even if they did make it.  Fox is not merely conservative they are wholehearted full-throated Republican.  They are not just ideologically slanted, they are a partisan, Republican party apparatus.

And I don't care what nonsense you have on CNN of NBC (you don't say, so it's hard to judge) - but neither of them goes around hyping the Democratic party.  

Finally, if the news seems to "lean left" these days, could it be because the Right wing has lost its goddamn mind for the last 5 years, and they're just noticing?  Sorry to remind you that "reality has a well known liberal bias"

by scientician 2007-03-18 07:07AM | 0 recs
Since when

did Fox News ADMIT to leaning to the right?

by BruinKid 2007-03-18 08:11PM | 0 recs
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Liberals...I think, pride themselves on being at least moderate compared to their conservative counterparts, by that I mean that, to them, to be conservative is to be closed minded and to be liberal would mean that you are simply open to suggestion. That considered, a liberal WILL, by nature tend to fundamentally disagree with a closed minded attitude, not just a disagreeing one. I think...

by dJPest 2007-03-18 05:41AM | 0 recs
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You are friggin nuts if you think there is a liberal bias on the other news networks... there isn't.  Not at all...  

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:23AM | 0 recs
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Please, do some homework before you post your Faux News Channel enabling drivel here.

For a start: Misperceptions, the Media and the Iraq War

...The polling, conducted by the Program on International Policy (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and Knowledge Networks, also reveals that the frequency of these misperceptions varies significantly according to individuals' primary source of news. Those who primarily watch Fox News are significantly more likely to have misperceptions, while those who primarily listen to NPR or watch PBS are significantly less likely....

Heh.

...you clearly discount the contributions of anyone who is not in agreement with you...

As for media coverage - not all opposing ideas are of equal value, nor should they be given equal weight. It's called critical thinking. The Faux News Channel displays none.

by Michael Bersin 2007-03-18 07:14AM | 0 recs
And the last Democrat you voted for was...

by molly bloom 2007-03-18 07:21AM | 0 recs
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Good job on CSPAN but the old lady from Bama was right, you should have worn a tie!

LOL

by Goose3five 2007-03-18 04:38AM | 0 recs
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Count me as a dissenter on the tie debate: thought you looked fine without it.

by blueflorida 2007-03-18 04:43AM | 0 recs
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Ties are sort of elitist...but...

Matt rules and he was polite to the lady from Alabama and at least she sort of had a sense of humor!

by howardpark 2007-03-18 05:32AM | 0 recs
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I was trying to get through on the phones with no luck.  I wanted to point out that many of the blogs, this one included, have both greater relevance and greater credibility as a source of news than can be found in the MSM.  There are linked words that take viewers to the source where the veracity of an assertion can by comfirmed.  You don't get that in newspapers or on tv.  If talk radio was held to the same standard, right wing talk show hosts would be collecting the unemployment benefits that they're so fond of railing against.  Also, I haven't seen Anna Nicole Smith or American Idol covered here or on Dkos or Firedoglake.  Relevance and credibility.  Next time you make an appearance on tv (with or without a tie) please point out these characteristics of the blogs and invite people who've never visited a blog to come and get informed and participate in the comments section.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 04:44AM | 0 recs
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Anna Nicole Died and some girl on American Idol had some private blowjob pics released.  There you go... the news summed up in one post.

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:26AM | 0 recs
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I must have missed the American Idol pics...

by robliberal 2007-03-18 09:56AM | 0 recs
You're wrong.

Supposedly the blowjob pics turned out to be another girl.

by BruinKid 2007-03-18 08:17PM | 0 recs
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Only commie bastards go without ties! TRAITOR!!

by Intercaust 2007-03-18 04:44AM | 0 recs
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Just saw you on CSPAN and some of your comments.  You are very good and articulate.  Liked your comments about Fox News.  Keep up the good work!

by optimus prime 2007-03-18 04:44AM | 0 recs
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He was also clean, I hope. Otherwise, Joe Biden might have something to say about that.

by PsiFighter37 2007-03-18 07:30AM | 0 recs
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Well, you tieless boy.  You need to go to stand in the corner for not being a winger.
You were great.  You were lucky you did not get alot of wingers today.
Loved how you put Hillary in the old politics and out of touch thing.  
And I totally agree with you on Feingold.  My brother lives in Milwaukee and loves him.  I started paying more attention to him because Alan always said how good he was.  
by vwcat 2007-03-18 04:45AM | 0 recs
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Matt---

You were terrific on Washington Journal. Hope they have sense enough to invite you back.

------------egregious of firedoglake/plamehouse

by egregious 2007-03-18 04:49AM | 0 recs
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Speaking of the so-called "Liberal" Cable News, gotta go. My show is on.

;p

by ObamaEdwards2008 2007-03-18 05:00AM | 0 recs
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"Blogs play in the space between...

You are modest.  I think the location of some blogging, in the space of political ideas and realizations is more like "ahead" than "between".

by greensmile 2007-03-18 05:10AM | 0 recs
No he's right

You don't have to go to bars and kitchen tables to see how  far out of touch the Beltway conventional wisdom is. The polling data makes it very clear that the opinions of regular people are not being reflected by the discourse we see from the Beltway elites.

This is increasingly baffling to me.  It's very hard to find credible that there is this huge republican bias in the Beltway CW, but that's what Occam's Razor would tell you.  The MSM savaged Clinton over very little, and are still making excuses for an appalling and extremely unpopular president who has failed in pretty every way a president can fail.

The Republican program has been exposed as slogans rather than policy.  Their policy implementations have been disastrous, and they've been as corrupt as the Grant administration, if not more.

And yet they're still treated as if they are credible sources of information, and you still see pieces like Liptak's in today's NYT talking about how all US Attorneys are political.

I don't understand how this continues, but if it were not for blogs, things would be considerably worse.

by jayackroyd 2007-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
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Crap, I missed this.  Does it rerun?

by whogotthegravy 2007-03-18 05:16AM | 0 recs
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Good segment. Thanks. I have never blogged before but this looks like one I could get into. Re: Fox News? I find it amusing that some right wingers will view this as a sign of weakness, so I hope Dems will stand united in deligitimizing it as a news site. Will they? My biggest beef lately is the timidity of the Democrats, even here in Vermont.

So everyone knows where I stand re: 2008 - Obama all the way. True Dems need to resist the Clinton Machine at all costs if we're serious about reform and integrity. Don't get me wrong - Hillary is a competent and intelligent candidate, but NO ONE could possibly deal with as much baggage as she's carrying. She will never get out from Bill's shadow. Reason 2 for not voting for her: Republicans are chomping at the bit to have a whack at her. Nothing can be risked next year, there is way too much at stake.

Every candidate requires ambition, but Hillary's scares me. And at the risk of pissing off some fellow Dems, the Clinton Machine is just another example of what's wrong with democratic process. Bullying is bullying, red or blue alike. I am SICK of it.

by trout 2007-03-18 05:18AM | 0 recs
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http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f= /c/a/2007/03/17/BAGPKONDCH3.DTL

This will make you happy then 12,000 at his Bay Area rally.

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:27AM | 0 recs
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 I am one of those "older" liberals and quite frankly I am worried.I see us squandering a great opportuniy as a party in the presidential election.First of all I resent the fact that for some reason some of our "deciders" seem to think it is an acceptable thing to have in essence 2 royal families .I refuse to beleive that it is good for America to go from A Bush to a Clinton to a Bush to a Clinton.Our nation has a larger talent pool than that.Next I am convinced Obama is not electable nor is Richardson.Two opposite reasons why.While Richardson has the experience I wish Obama had, he has a creditbility issue that will be swift boated beyond belive in a general lection.Obama with Richadson's experience would be formidable but he simply does not have it.That means we have to look at the rest of our candidates more closely.The beltway should not be allowed to control the media which is what we are seeing now.We have to jump for joy at our positive outlook but we are going to have to do this behind a candidate that can win 1600 Penn.Ave.
 You touched briefly on that today on C-Span but I fear it is falling on deaf ears.P.S. next time wear the tie.Your not that young anymore Matt!LOL!
by kittycago 2007-03-18 05:34AM | 0 recs
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I'm curious to hear from other Dems about the "inexperience" of Obama. What are you basing this on? I find this both refreshing and very appealing. He'll build a Cabinet of reasonable, competent advisors and hopefully bring some integrity and dignity back to the executive branch.

by trout 2007-03-18 05:56AM | 0 recs
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Time spent on Capitol Hill is a liability for a presidential candidate in my opinion.  The longer a person has been in congressional office the more votes their adversary can distort and use against them.  One example would be the beating John Kerry took with regard to his vote for troop funding.  Yes, his response was terrible.  I concede that, but the attack was not a new trick in campaigning against a long time congressman.  A lengthy voting record makes for several slow pitch softballs right over the plate.  A history of public service is a good thing.  A history in congress... not so much.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 06:41AM | 0 recs
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 Lack of experience for Obama ?I should think that would be obvious.No foreign policy experience is critical at this time in our nation.I watched the insiders in DC rip Jimmy Carter apart due to his lack of experience in national politics.You may not realize it but two of our biggest problems today are because of this.Carter was right on oil and fuel economy.He was accused of promoting alternatives because his family were peanut farmers.His lack of experience made it so our automakers did not raise CAFE standards and we pay for that now too.We pay in jobs ,loss of industry and the obvious dependence on the Middle East oil.Talk about long term ripples on our economy!Carter was right on Israel and the need for an equitable Palestine solution too.His lack of experience and connections that time brings in world politics ate him alive politically.If he had the experience then ,coupled with his wisdom we would have a very different world today

by kittycago 2007-03-18 08:24AM | 0 recs
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W is the worst president in American history, but only because the 109th congress allowed him to be by not performing any oversight.  When we don't have an incredibly unpatriotic republican congress that ruberstamps everything W wants, the office of the president is very different.  

Primarily the president's job is to be familiar with the spelling of his or her own name.  The use of that skill is for signing or vetoing bills.  At this point I just want the next president to have a D next to their name and for democratic majorities in both chambers of congress to grow.  Happily we are in a fantastic position to see that happen.

Let the congress posses and utilize the experience and wisdom.  All  I want is for them to not have to do battle with the veto pen.  For that reason I say Obama's experience factor is not so important.  He's a rock star.  Attendance at his events has been incredible.  I want a nominee who can get the votes.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 08:47AM | 0 recs
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On a side note, that's why Jr. goes by the name W.  It's the only way he could become familiar with the spelling of his own name!

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 08:52AM | 0 recs
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Many presidents did not have a lot of experience... the Presidency is beyond just one man...

Edwards has very little elective or government experience.  SO does Obama and HRC for that matter.  THen again, Guiliani and Romney are in the same boat on the GOP side.

Carter had little elective and government experience.  Reagan wasn't chock full of it, Bush 43 wasn't (and he did a piss poor job) but he did get elected twice.  

Long story short, one has to be President or Vice President to gain the necessary experience to be President.  If one has competent advisors, they can have a successful Presidency... if they have incompetent advisors... we get the Bush administration.

by yitbos96bb 2007-03-18 06:33AM | 0 recs
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Edwards is now an exception to this rule.He has gone through a campaign on his own as a candidate and then as an under ticket to Kerry.In the last 4 years he has worked nationally and globally.Right now I think he is the dems best shot at winning the white house.

by kittycago 2007-03-18 08:27AM | 0 recs
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Matt is no progressive. Were he one he would have hammered the issue that will bring us Marxist, Lenninist socialism. GLOBAL WARMING.

by paintbat 2007-03-18 06:51AM | 0 recs
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Don't worry.  That stuff you took will wear off in a little while.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 06:59AM | 0 recs
I doubt Blogs have cornered the market

on discussions going on in bars and over kitchen tables.

Maybe I'm going to the wrong bars, but most of what I hear there sounds nothing at all like what I hear here.

And blogs are not immune to elitism, either.

by Stewieeeee 2007-03-18 06:52AM | 0 recs
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Matt wouldn't go to a bar, he would go to a coffee house and I can't see him at a kitchen table.

by paintbat 2007-03-18 07:02AM | 0 recs
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I am a progressive and I cannot stand coffee.  There is an organization called Drinking Liberally which brings liberals out to bars on a regular basis all around the country.  As far as Matt at the kitchen table, I can assure you as a matter of biology that progressives have to eat.

Do you have any statements of fact regarding the merits of Matt's political views as they were expressed on Washington Journal this morning or are you just gonna stick with pot shot generalizations about progressives that have no basis in facts?

You do your side a disservice when you come to the discussion with out any facts in the belief that personal attacks lend any merit to your views.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 07:13AM | 0 recs
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I take it that you are no socialist.

by paintbat 2007-03-18 07:27AM | 0 recs
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I am a very liberal democrat.  I believe that anyone who has read, understood, and agrees with the Constitution and Bill of Rights and has placed them in context with american history and the history of western governmantal philosophy is necessarily a very liberal democrat.  I also believe that Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin were very liberal too.  Hell, relative to that point in history they were downright radical.  So, no.  I am no socialist.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 07:44AM | 0 recs
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My my. I have read the Constitution and Bill of rights. In fact, I was required pass The Constitution Test in the 8th grade in order to advance to High School. I had straight A's but had I failed I would have had to attend 8th grade again. So I understand you supporting the NRA and your opposition to Roe vs Wade plus your contempt for McCain-Feingold.

by paintbat 2007-03-18 04:53PM | 0 recs
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I do not support the NRA.  The Bil of Rights doesn't say that we have the right to any arms we want.  We can't own nukes as private citizens for example.  The constitutional question is were to draw the line.  McCain-Feingold doesn't go far enough and SCOTUS was wrong to decide that corporations are people.  Nothing in our founding doctrine says that they are.  Roe vs Wade is a good decision based on there being a separation of church and state.  Again you seem to have an opinion of progressives that lacks any basis in fact.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 05:40PM | 0 recs
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I am happy that you've read our founding doctrine.  You will recall, however, that I put more qualifiers in my statement than just reading them:

(from my previous comment) I believe that anyone who has read, understood, and agrees with the Constitution and Bill of Rights and has placed them in context with american history and the history of western governmental philosophy is necessarily a very liberal democrat.

by lockewasright 2007-03-18 05:45PM | 0 recs
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I understand. Throw out the parts you don't like and keep the parts you do and say that you agree with the Constitution.

by paintbat 2007-03-19 05:38AM | 0 recs
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What parts did I throw out?

by lockewasright 2007-03-19 10:34AM | 0 recs
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I have actually encountered Mr. Stoller at both bars and kitchen tables.  

by dtmky 2007-03-18 07:44AM | 0 recs
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Matt, I watched you this morning on CSPAN! GREAT job!

by Wary 2007-03-18 07:25AM | 0 recs
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Great job on C-SPAN's Washington Journal.  Glad you made the point that Fox is anything but a "news" outlet.  I don't know whose blog it was, but there was a lovely posting yesterday, starting out with Jon Stewart's performance on the defunct "Crossfire," saying "I won't be your monkey."  I wish more progressive politicians and spokespersons would refuse to be the monkeys of the likes of Tim Russert and other so-called journalists on the other faux news networks.  Why in heaven's name do they keep allowing themselves to be interrogated by such partisan hacks?  And, why would they allow themselves to be seated at a table pretending to have an intelligent exchange with felons like Tom Delay and the completely discredited Richard Pearle?  It degrades political discourse and permits the "mainstream" media to make monkeys out of them.

by bluestocking 2007-03-18 10:19AM | 0 recs
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This is increasingly baffling to me.  It's very hard to find credible that there is this huge republican bias in the Beltway CW, but that's what Occam's Razor would tell you.  The MSM savaged Clinton over very little, and are still making excuses for an appalling and extremely unpopular president who has failed in pretty every way a president can fail.

It's very simple.  "Journalists" are responding to the expectations conveyed in subtle ways from higher management.  They know their top management run in the same circles as Republican elites.  Russert's public bending over for Jack Welch is just the most obvious example.  It happens in many more subtle ways every day.  Why do you think serious news is ignored for reports on Nicole Whatserface?  You think it's just about ratings?

I'm not just talking about NBC and CNN, but also NYT, WaPo, etc.  WaPo sacrifices its paper's reputation for the benefits that its educational subsidiary, Kaplan Education Services, gets from this administration.  LATimes replaces Robert Scheer with Jonah Goldberg in order to protect some of its other investments.  And so it goes.

It's strictly business.

by Taylor26 2007-03-18 11:15AM | 0 recs
Fox Noise is a Distortion filter

Not a communications medium.

by boadicea 2007-03-18 11:24AM | 0 recs
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I think you're right about Fox viewers - they love the network because it reinforces their simple minded, bigoted worldview.  You can expose them to facts, but they still refuse to believe them.  Take the Plame hearing testimony.  They still won't concede she was a covert agent.  And, their Fox "journalists" accuse Plame of perjuring herself for relating the facts.  Fox viewers cannot even assimilate new information, let alone accommodate a different worldview.  

As to using the media to get one's message out, yeah, it is necessary.  But, the talking heads shows depend on politicians being willing to go on their shows.  What would happen if progressive politicians became discerning about the other members of whatever roundtable they're asked to participate on?  And, refusing to appear on the talking heads show that matches them with such discredited and criminal representatives of "the other side?"  I'm sure they'd be accused of being afraid of debating the other side, but they could respond that you don't have debates with subhumans.  It just doesn't add up to intelligent discourse.

by bluestocking 2007-03-18 12:19PM | 0 recs
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I love it when you talk censorship. That's liberalism.

by paintbat 2007-03-18 05:02PM | 0 recs
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Hmmmm...an infestation of trolls tonight. You guys should take some lessons from the Brownback guy.
Matt, didn't see you on C-Span, and can't get it up via web on my computer. Sounds like it went well.
by johnalive 2007-03-18 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: C-Span/You Did Great!

You seemed much more comfortable, and I think you were composed, and spoke clearly and well.

To the woman who trashed you, your polite response only made her tone seem that much uglier. (Though, you could have said.... "Is that Christian family values on display)

For the woman who wants everyone to be so pro-Hillary, well, let Hillary make that case.

Well done! More. More. More. We want more!

by missliberties 2007-03-18 01:38PM | 0 recs
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I wish my HNT's got this many comments!

That's Democracy in action. Keep up the voices, pro & con. Don't be hurt by cruel peeps.

Maybe, the best thing you did this morning was leave your tie home.

Keep it up. Burning. Great job.

I had to write back again. C-span needs you!!

Next time they call, jump...forget the tie, and go!

by cain 2007-03-18 02:28PM | 0 recs

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