Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Even though financial analysts are rather non-plussed by the Fox News debate debacle, something deep is going on.  Ron Brownstein of the LA Times has an important column on some of the deeper trends here.

Last week's decision by Nevada Democrats, under pressure from liberal activists, to drop Fox as the co-sponsor of a party presidential debate has the virtue of crystallizing the questions about the network's nature and its unique role in the modern media ecosystem.

Fox cloaks itself in the mantle of objectivity with the nudge-nudge insistence that it--and it alone--provides "fair and balanced" coverage of the news. Then it advances its financial and ideological interests by promoting lurid accusations from conservatives against Democrats, accusations that are routinely debunked later by the mainstream media. Many Fox reporters are fair. But overall the network--through its language, its news decisions and its hosts--generally functions more like a cog in the Republican message machine than as a conventional news organization that attempts to abide, however imperfectly, by the traditional standards of (yes) fairness and balance.

I imagine that many journalists don't like to be associated with Fox News because it's not journalism, and bristle at the notion that Fox News is associated with the borg known as 'media'.  Brownstein's column shows that this debate within journalism is happening.

What's also interesting is that a lot of Democratic establishment types get it as well.


That argument struck a much more powerful chord than the Nevada Democrats expected, not only with the compulsive petition-signers online, but also with pillars of the Democratic political establishment. Many Democratic professionals believe that Fox will continue to provide an uncritical platform for almost any charge the right can dredge (Drudge?) up against the 2008 Democratic contenders.

Mark Mellman, the pollster for Kerry in 2004, passionately supported the decision to cancel the debate. "Everything Fox does is directed toward aiding and abetting the Republican Party, and it uses its newsgathering organization more or less as a cover for that," he said.

A senior advisor to one of the 2008 Democratic contenders was equally emphatic. "I think the more they can be de-legitimized the better," the advisor said. "They are in business to promote the Republican Party and to hurt the Democratic Party, and they have every right to do that, but to the extent that their pretense of objectivity can be challenged, it should be."

Brownstein also notes that the CBC Institute is going to announce debates with Fox News next week.  He's a very good reporter, but remember that the Nevada Democratic Party also announced that there would be a Fox News debate before backtracking after the organizing started.

I'm really intrigued.  The highest levels of the Democratic Party at least partially get that Fox News is in business to elect Republicans.  I think we have a decent shot at persuading the CBC Institute not to validate Fox News, though we won't have nearly as much leverage unless there are internal allies who come out publicly (as happened with Mike Zahara in Nevada).

It's a fascinating time to observe the debates within the press and the Democratic Party.

Tags: 2008, Debate, Fox News, netroots, presidential debate (all tags)

Comments

15 Comments

Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

What Fox people are fair? I can't think of one.

by marya 2007-03-16 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Some of the bit reporters.  None of the main personalities obviously.

by scientician 2007-03-16 08:51PM | 0 recs
Delegitimize their asses.

There is nothing to be gained by Democrats appearing on Fox. There just isn't.

by MeanBoneII 2007-03-16 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Matt, please provide some action item: a contact for the CBC Institute, some online petition directed at the CBC, etc.  What action is out there pressuring the CBC to drop fox?

by bedobe 2007-03-16 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

You can send an email to the CBC institute here:

http://www.colorofchange.org/cbci/

We're directing calls to key CBC members here:

http://www.colorofchange.org/cbci_calls/

by ColorOfChange 2007-03-16 05:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Where does Barbara Lee stand? She is the 1st Vice President of CBC (but she isn't on the board of the CBC Institute).

by Bob Brigham 2007-03-16 02:06PM | 0 recs
See this is interesting

because it gets back to the "fighting Netroots" frame.  That is, that the netroots are not really ideologically different from the mainstream professional Democratic party.  Rather, we're different only in that we're much more inclined in any given case to make a tactical choice to fight, rather than the infamous "keeping the powder dry."

This post says that mainstream Dems, including senior advisors to past and future pres candidates, see Fox in the same way that we do.  However, it was the netroots that chose to Just Say No to the Nevada debates, whereas the presidential candidates and professional Dem establishment presumably would have gone along with it, either because "it can't be helped" or because "we are ourselves too high profile to deal with the negative publicity our actions would generate."  "Hillary takes on FOX" would be a disastrous news event, spanning weeks.  "Grassroots outsiders take on FOX" yields a headline in the Politico only.  

So it's not just that the netroots believes in fighting as a tactical choice, but also the fact that as outsiders, the netroots can take on fights and either win them or lose them at no real cost to the Democratic Party's, or any single Democratic figure's, public image.

That's interesting.  

On Iraq, I believe it's also mostly true that there's no ideological gap between what the netroots want to see happen and what the professional DemEstablishment wishes would happen.  There is difference in what we think can be achieved at acceptable cost and what they think they can achieve at acceptable cost, because they're used to not fighting, and to paying a heavy price when they do fight.

So our role would be to encourage them to fight, and, to fight ourselves as outsiders in ways that they as high profile figures cannot (at least, not without attracting awful negative press to themselves).  So, for instance, destroy John McCain with the surge.  Hillary can't do that, but we can.  And if we can show that Rs associated with the surge are doomed, we've moved chess pieces in the Senate.  

Going on direct offense cannot be done by high profile players without great danger to themselves.  We can do it with almost no risk though.  I hadn't realized that.

by texas dem 2007-03-16 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: See this is interesting

Why would it be a bad news event if Hillary went after Faux Noise?  Despite their chest thumping, O'Reilly only gets 1/4 of the viewers that Couric's nightly news cast does.

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-03-16 02:48PM | 0 recs
Color of Change is leading a protest against this

The Color of Change Site is trying to lodge a protest with the CBC about having the debate with Fox.

Dancing with the Devil: Fox and the CBC

http://www.colorofchange.org/cbci/messag e.html

So, if you object to this hideousness, please join the fight.

by rikyrah 2007-03-16 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Well shit, if that Greenwald clip doesn't end any chance of a CBC debate, I don't know what would.

Lou Dobbs does something similar I notice.  He uses viewer emails to espouse some fairly nasty racism, while keeping his hands clean.  

The "get people with no credibility to lose to say what you really think" trick.  

by scientician 2007-03-16 08:54PM | 0 recs
Mark Mellman makes some of the sharpest comments

He should be heard from more often.

"Everything Fox does is directed toward aiding and abetting the Republican Party, and it uses its newsgathering organization more or less as a cover for that," he said.

Exactly. Mellman was also very realistic on the eve of the 2004 election, saying the mathematical models suggested Bush would receive 51.6% of the two-party vote. I remember gulping when I read that, sensing it was accurate.

http://thehill.com/mark-mellman/the-uphi ll-fight-is-impossible-to-predict-now-20 04-11-02.html

In 2006, Mellman described the size of the wave versus the stability of the GOP structure, which I thought was among the best summaries. Luckily the wave prevailed.

by Gary Kilbride 2007-03-16 08:57PM | 0 recs
After the totally fucked up way Fox...

treats the causes of minorities I find it unconscionable that the CBC would let them sponsor a debate. I hope they figure out that this is the perfect opportunity to expose the Fox Brand for what it is - right-wing drivel.

by Intercaust 2007-03-17 04:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

Keep in mind that Brownstein is married to John McCain's communications director.

by joyful alternative 2007-03-17 08:16AM | 0 recs
DFH

Latest version: "the compulsive petition-signers online."

by jayackroyd 2007-03-17 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Fox Branding Dinged Badly

carte
carte
carte
brune
boob
blonde
blagues
blague
black
bite
bisexuel
bikini
beurette
bebe
baise
avatars
avatar
auto
astuce
ass
asiatique
asian
ares
anus
antivirus
antivirus+gratuit
anal
amatrice
amateur
amateur
adulte
ad+aware
acrobat

emoticones
emoticone
emoticone+gratuit
edonkey
ecrans+de+veille
ecran+de+veille
ecran+de+veille+gratuit
+download
divx
divx+gratuit
diaporamas
diaporama
cul
cul+gratuit
couple
couille
coquin
code+jeu
cochon

206
207
208
209
210
211
212
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224
225
226
227
228
229
230
231
232
233
234
235
236
237
238
239
240
241
242
243
244
245
246
247
248
249
250
251
252
253
254
2-toon
-tourisme
-touristique
-tout-gratuit
-traducteur-gratuit
-transsexuelle
-truc
2649-tuning
2649-tv
2649-vacances
2649-video
2649-video
2649-video-comique
2649-video-gratuit
2649-video-porno
-video-porno
-video-porno-gratuit
-videos
-videos
-videos-comiques
-video-sexe-gratuit
-video-sex-gratuit
-video-x-gratuit
-vlc
-voiture
-voyage
-voyager
-voyeur
-wallpaper
-webcam
-winamp
-winmx
-winrar
-winzip
-x
-x
-x-gratuit
-xxx
-xxx-gratuit
-yoga
-telechargement-logiciel-gratuit
-telechargement-logiciels
-telechargement-messenger
-telechargement-movie
-telechargement-mp3
-telechargement-msn
-telechargement-music
-telechargement-musique
-telechargement-nero
-telechargement-parole
-telechargement-paroles
-telechargement-porn
-telechargement-porno
-telechargement-sex
-telechargement-sexe
-telechargement-x
-telechargement-xxx
-telecharger
-telecharger
-telecharger
-telecharger-antivirus
-telecharger-antivirus
-telecharger-chanson
-telecharger-chansons
-telecharger-divx
-telecharger-emule
-telecharger-film
-telecharger-gratuit
-telecharger-jeu-gratuit
-telecharger-kazaa
-telecharger-logiciel
-telecharger-logiciels
-telecharger-messenger
-telecharger-movie
-telecharger-mp3
-telecharger-msn
-telecharger-music
-telecharger-musique
-telecharger-nero
-telecharger-parole
-telecharger-paroles
2649-telecharger-porn
2-telecharger-porno
2-telecharger-sex
2-telecharger-sexe
2-telecharger-x
2-telecharger-xxx
2-television
2-tennis
2-tit
-rasee
-real-player
-recette
-recettes
-rousse
-sado
-safari
-salope
-sex
-sex
-sexe
-sexe
-sexe-amateur-gratuit
-sexe-gratuit
-sex-gratuit
-sex-gratuit-beurette
-sexuelle
-sexy
-shareaza
-skype
-sms-gratuit
-sodomie
-soluce
-spectacle
-sport
-sportive
-sportive
-sportive
-spybot
-suce
-suceuse
-sudoku-gratuit
-tarot
-tarot-gratuit
-tatouage
-tatouages
-teen
-tele
-telechargement
-telechargement
-telechargement-antivirus
-telechargement-chanson
-telechargement-chansons
-telechargement-divx
-telechargement-emule
-telechargement-film
-telechargement-film-gratuit
-telechargement-gratuit
-telechargement-kazaa
-telechargement-logiciel
-logiciel-gratuit
-logiciels
-logiciels
-logiciels-gratuit
-manga
-massage
-mature
-messenger
-messenger-gratuit
-models
-morpheus
-movie
-mp-gratuit
-msn
-msn-gratuit
-mure
-music-gratuite
-musique-gratuite
-musiques-gratuites
-nero
-nero-gratuit
-noire
-nu
-nude
-nudiste
-orgasme
-orgie
-parole-gratuit
-paroles-gratuit
-partition
-partitions
-penis
-photo
-photo
-photo-gay-gratuit
-photo-porno-gratuit
-photo-sexe-gratuit
-photo-sex-gratuit
-pied
-pipe
-poitrine
-porn
-porn-gratuit
-porno
-porno
-pornographie
-porno-gratuit
-pps-ppt
-programme
-pussy
-gay
-gay-gratuit
-girl
-golf
-gratuit
-gratuit
-gratuit
-gratuite
-gratuite
-gratuite
-gros
-grosse
-gros-sein-gratuit
-hard
-hardcore
-hentai-gratuit
-histoire
-homosexuel
-horoscope
-horoscope-gratuit
-horoscopes
-hot
-humour
-icone
-icq
-illusion
-image
-image
-image-humour
-jeu
-jeu
-jeu-adulte-gratuit
-jeu-de-voiture-gratuit
-jeu-enfant-gratuit
-jeu-gratuit
-jeu-gratuit-cadeaux
-jeune
-jeu-pc-gratuit
-jeu-video-gratuit
-jeux
-jeux
-kazaa
-kazaa-gratuit
-latinas
-lesbian
-lesbienne
-limewire
-lingerie
-logiciel
-logiciel
-couille
-couple
-cul
-cul-gratuit
-diaporama
-diaporamas
-divx
-divx-gratuit
-download
-ecran-de-veille
-ecran-de-veille-gratuit
-ecrans-de-veille
-edonkey
-emoticone
-emoticone-gratuit
-emoticones
-emule
-emule-gratuit
-enculer
-enfant
-erotique
-erotiques
-erotisme
-etudiante
-exhibitionniste
-f-rallye
-familiale
-famille
-fellation
-femme
-femme
-fesse
-fetiche
-fetichisme
-film
-film
-film-gratuit
-film-porno-gratuit
-films
-film-x-gratuit
-firefox
-fond-d-ecran
-fond-d-ecran-gratuit
-fonds-d-ecran
-fonds-d-ecran
-fonds-d-ecran
-fonds-d-ecran
-fonds-d-ecran
-fonds-d-ecran
-football
-acrobat
-ad-aware
-adulte
-amateur
-amateur
-amatrice
-anal
-antivirus
-antivirus-gratuit
-anus
-ares
-asian
-asiatique
-ass
-astuce
-auto
-avatar
-avatars
-baise
-bebe
2-beurette
2659-bikini
2659-bisexuel
2659-bite
2659-black
2659-blague
2659-blagues
2659-blonde
2659-boob
2659-brune
-carte
-carte
-carte
-cartes
-cartes
-cartes
-celebrite
-chaleur
-chanson-gratuit
-chansons-gratuit
-charme
-chat-gratuit
-cheat
-cinema
-clip-gratuit
-clitoris
-clone
-cochon
-code-jeu
-coquin

sexe0
sexe1
sexe2
sexe3
sexe4
sexe5
sexe6
sexe7
sexe8
sexe9
sexe10
sexe11
sexe12
sexe13
sexe14
sexe15
sexe16
sexe17
sexe18
sexe19
sexe20
sexe21
sexe22
sexe23
sexe24
sexe25
sexe26
sexe27
sexe28
sexe29
sexe30

471
472
473
474
475
476
477
478
479
480
481
482
483
484
485
486
487
488
489
490
491
492
493
494
495
496
497
498
499
500
501
502
50clone
clitoris
clip+gratuit
cinema
cheat
chat+gratuit
charme
chansons+gratuit
chanson+gratuit
chaleur
celebrite
cartes
cartes
cartes

gratuit
golf
girl
gay+gratuit
gay
football
fonds+d+ecran
fond+d+ecran+gratuit
fond+d+ecran
firefox
film+x+gratuit
films
film+porno+gratuit
film+gratuit
film
film
fetichisme
fetiche
fesse
femme
femme
fellation
famille
familiale
f1+rallye
exhibitionniste
etudiante
erotisme
erotiques
erotique
enfant
enculer
emule+gratuit
emule

jeune
jeu
jeu
jeu+pc+gratuit
jeu+gratuit
jeu+gratuit+cadeaux
jeu+de+voiture+gratuit
jeu+enfant+gratuit
humour
horoscopes
horoscope
horoscope+gratuit
homosexuel
histoire
hentai+gratuit
hardcore
hard
grosse
gros
gros+sein+gratuit
gratuite
gratuite
gratuit
jeu+adulte+gratuit
image
image
image+humour
illusion
icq
icone
gratuite
gratuit
hot

porn
porn+gratuit
poitrine
pipe
pied
photo
photo
photo+sexe+gratuit
photo+sex+gratuit
photo+porno+gratuit
photo+gay+gratuit
penis
partitions
partition
paroles+gratuit
parole+gratuit
orgie
orgasme
nudiste
nude
nu
noire
nero
nero+gratuit
musiques+gratuites
musique+gratuite
music+gratuite
mure
msn
msn+gratuit
mp3+gratuit
movie
morpheus
models
messenger
messenger+gratuit
mature
massage
manga
logiciels
logiciels
logiciels+gratuit
logiciel
logiciel
logiciel+gratuit
lingerie
limewire
lesbienne
lesbian
latinas
kazaa
kazaa+gratuit
jeux
jeux
jeu+video+gratuit

telechargement+gratuit
telechargement+film+gratuit
telechargement+film
telechargement+emule
telechargement+divx
telechargement+chansons
telechargement+chanson
telechargement+antivirus
telechargement
telechargement
tele
teen
tatouages
tatouage
tarot+gratuit
tarot
sudoku+gratuit
suceuse
suce
spybot
sportive
sportive
sportive
sport
spectacle
soluce
sodomie
sms+gratuit
skype
shareaza
sexy
sexuelle
sex+gratuit+beurette
sex+gratuit
sexe+gratuit
sexe+amateur+gratuit
sexe
sexe
sex
sex
rousse
salope
safari
sado
recettes
recette
+real+player
rasee
pussy
+programme
+pps+ppt
pornographie
porno+gratuit
porno
porno

06
07
08
09
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
http://bugzilla.internet2.edu/attachment.cgi?id=280">80

by nekanelop 2007-04-07 04:35AM | 0 recs

Diaries

Advertise Blogads