Why Progressives Lost The Iraq Supplemental Fight

This passage from an AP story on the progressive caucus explains a lot:
But with conservative and moderate Democrats refusing to consider a faster timetable or a cutoff of war funding, party leaders have had to steer a more centrist course on Iraq.

They point to polls that show the public opposes cutting off funding or revoking President Bush's authority for the war but backs bringing home troops by next year. They argue that their measure can at least make Bush report to Congress any time he deploys a unit that doesn't meet training or readiness standards, or has not spent at least a year at home between tours.
I amazed at how three sentences can contain to many of the things that are still major problems in our national political scene. Here is an incomplete list:
  • Data supporting conservative positions is foregrounded, while data supporting progressive positions is buried. The passage cites poll data showing opposition to cutting off funding or revoking Bush's authority. It does mention poll data, often taken from the same polls, that show much larger majorities in favor of binding troop readiness standards, and full withdrawal in one year or less (source). That is about the only bright spot in this passage, even if the data on the public favoring troop withdrawal is somewhat buried. Typically, writers talk about progressive positions as though the public is always against them, and following them would be political suicide (note: passage corrected after I misread the piece).
  • Conservative frames employed to misrepresent progressive positions. A cutoff of war funding? What Democrat has said we should cut off war funding? Progressives have repeatedly talked about a fully funded withdrawal, and the rest of the caucus has said we won't cut off funds. Republicans have repeatedly said that is what Democrats want to do, and so that is the way what Democrats want to do is described.
  • The political center is located on the right. George Bush has an approval rating on Iraq in the high 20's. People hate George Bush and hate the Iraq war. Yet somehow the "center" is assumed to be somewhere between Democrats in Congress and Bush. In reality, the center is quite clearly on the side of Democrats. However, no matter how unpopular conservative positions and politicians may be, the center is always assumed to be straddling between the conservative position and something else. Certainly, the center can never be allowed to be where progressives are.
In a political world where only conservative data is cited, where only conservative frames are used to describe Democrats, and where conservatives are always entitled to compromise and a claim on the center no matter how unpopular they are, there is simply no way that progressives can win. It is hard to even think like a progressive in that environment. And thus rests the crux of our problem.

There are many Democrats who are convinced that America is a fundamentally conservative nation, and becoming more so. Forget that the progressive position on every issue, save gay marriage, is currently more popular than the conservative position. Forget the enormous political architecture the conservative movement has created over the past thirty years, specifically designed to make fringe conservative positions mainstream. Forget even the Democratic takeover of Congress. Forget the rising progressive tide in the people powered movement. None of this means anything to many Democratic staffers and elected representatives in Washington. There are still many people with a D in front of their name that view things like the 1994 election as the norm, and 2006 as the anomaly. There are Democrats who are convinced that the media does, in fact, have a massive liberal bias. There are those Democrats who have swallowed every concept in the great backlash narrative about liberal elites. There are those Democrats who feel that the rise of the progressive movement has been an overwhelming net negative for Democrats.

Ultimately, it is a problem of political perception. There are those Democrats who view the rise of conservatism in America from 1978-2006 as both natural and permanent, rather than as constructed and reversible. In my judgment, all evidence I have seen over the past four years shows that it is, in fact, reversible and constructed. The massive public souring on Republicans, uncovering the structure and operation of the conservative movement, witnessing the rise of the progressive movement, recent election results--it can all be defeated, and we can start moving forward again. For one reason or another, there are Democrats who just don't see things that way, who would even prefer if it was not that way, or who just don't care and never look at any political calculation besides the next one. Many of those Democrats reside in the Blue Dog caucus. In talking with these people, I could quote polling, cite election results, and demonstrate activist support until I have been chocked blue, but none of that would ever matter to people like Alan Boyd, Steny Hoyer, or Ellen Tauscher. They view themselves as operating in countries with entirely different political playing fields as movementarians like I do. If there are Democrats who we cannot convince of the political reality that a conservative political environment can be reversed and should be reversed, then those are Democrats we will eventually have to go though, rather than working with. If you don't believe that progressives can win, you are probably already contributing to progressive defeat even before the struggle begins. When it came to the Iraq supplemental fight, there were quite a few Democrats who did just that. And that is why we lost.

Tags: Democrats, Ideology, Iraq, Media (all tags)

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16 Comments

I'd not write it off quite yet

Gotta book.

But - and you're obviously close to it, where I'm not - what I'm reading is that the leadership's strongarm stuff hasn't quite got them home.

If the bill passes by one vote (could happen), it would be ghastly to think that a bit more love from the sphere might have tied it up.

(My latest.)

by skeptic06 2007-03-13 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Progressives Lost The Iraq Supplemental Fi

Chris-
I think you're mostly on track here, but I would say that you're over-attributing the problem to the media and elected Democrats, and not giving quite enough of the blame to the American public.

First, the story DOES in fact cite the key progressive data point (that most Americans want the troops brought home in the next year), in the same sentence as it mentions the conservative point.

Second, the fact is that the American people have been consistantly unclear about HOW they want the war to end, and whether or not they are willing to make tough choices about it. Not only do a plurality of Americans oppose cutting of funding (which is exactly what the Out of Iraq caucus wants, and is the critical 'teeth' to any Congressional effort to end the war), but they also have been unclear as to whether they would be willing to accept any and all possible outcomes of the withdrawal.

In short, I think we're dealing with the fickleness of voters on this one: they want the war to be over, but they don't want it to be 'Lost', and since 'Victory' is a clearly unrealistic hope, there is no popular position for our elected officials to take. This doesn't hurt Republicans too much, since they clearly don't give a damn what the people want anyway, but for the DEMOCRATIC party (that means something, after all), it does severely complicate matters. I think this is the root cause of our difficulties with bringing this war to an end.

by James Gatz 2007-03-13 10:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Progressives Lost The Iraq Supplemental Fi
I fixed the part about the polling. Thanks for pointing that out.

Also, I do blame the political and media establishment more than the voters. Those who control the ideological state apparatuses, typically are able to influence those who don't pay much attention.
by Chris Bowers 2007-03-13 11:09AM | 0 recs
Too True, But Not the Whole Story
This post is cogent, well-stated, and lamentably, all too true. However, there's another side to the issue that it understates: namely, the role of corporate money in this.
Count me among pessimistic liberals, but not because I buy any of the memes noted in the essay. My fear is that we'll never win as long as both viable parties (and the media) are largely drinking from the same well.
For the most part, Democrats in the power center of the party buy into the same philosophy as the Republicans. More importantly, they represent the same constuency: corporations and the wealthy. Until we do something about that, the fact that mainstream America is far more liberal than acknowledged by 'conventional wisdom' is moot.
I've no doubt that liberalism can win a battle of ideas, but to paraphrase Dear Leader, "that's not the fight we're in."
by CapeCodBlue 2007-03-13 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Too True, But Not the Whole Story

The game is rigged.  

by dkmich 2007-03-14 01:33AM | 0 recs
How to fight back

Let's draft a list of Blue Dogs we challenge next year in the primaries.

by KDMfromPhila 2007-03-13 10:57AM | 0 recs
Congress can ONLY cut off war funding

Everything else would be filibustered and vetoed.

That is, to do something proactive, Congress would need a 60 Senators to override a filibuster (we don't have that) and 67 Senators and 290 House members to override a veto (we really don't have that).

But simply not authorizing funds for the war is the opposite-refusing to take an action.  You only need 51 Senators and 218 House Representatives to refuse to take an action.

However, while Congress can cut off funding, it can not force Bush to bring the troops home.  So, what would happen (apparently) is that the troops would stay put, they just wouldn't be paid or receive any food, bullets, or supplies.    Obviously, that will cause the Blue Dogs (and others) to refuse to do such, so this won't happen-Congress will blink before Bush does.

Alternatively, Bush would simply continue the war using other funding or ignore the budget completely, daring Congress to remove him from office (which wouldn't happen-you need 67 Senators for that, too).

Net result: Congress can't do anything meaningful to stop the war.  It simply isn't possible.  Sorry.

Due to the structure of the United States Constitution, Congress can only go against an entrenched President to stop a pre-existing war if they have at least a two thirds majority in the Senate and at least a majority in the House (for impeachment and removal).  If you have two thirds in both houses, you can override vetoes, as well.

by Geotpf 2007-03-13 11:04AM | 0 recs
Mixed messages mean more mistakes

Let's see.  You wrote:

"Data supporting conservative positions is cited, while data supporting progressive positions is left out."

But then you point out polls that show that the public cutting off funding or revoking President Bush's authority for the war (which is seemingly "conservative") but backs bringing home troops by next year (which is seemingly "liberal").  That seems to counter your point.  I'd also add that this is not necessarily an 'either or' situation.

Then you wrote:

"Conservative frames employed to misrepresent progressive positions...Progressives have repeatedly talked about a fully funded withdrawal"

Well, there has been talk about cutting off funds and the idea of fully funding a withdrawal is definitely different from funding the war itself.  One is for a war, the other is for a withdrawal.

And the third point you made, see James Gatz's response.  The American public is hundreds of millions of people.  They want the war to end/they want us to win.  They want this but don't want that.  Every issue.  All the time.

Maybe we can just withdraw Bush.

by jptrenn 2007-03-13 11:25AM | 0 recs
Not over yet

The entire House Appropriations Committee meets on Thursday morning at 9 AM for a markup on the Iraq Supplemental bill.  

It's an opportunity to call the Committee to register your complaint about how the bill was watered down.  Don't accede to "political reality."

Appropriations committee roster.  

The Congressional switchboard is 202-225-3121.

by KimPossible 2007-03-13 11:32AM | 0 recs
self identification

I think many people look at the long standing numbers on voter political self identification which has conservatives at about 33% and liberals at anywhere from 16-20% and decide we are a center right country.

I actually wonder about that.  You know it's some truism at least of the 90's to now that the American public wants public programs and help and at the same time wants low tax and small gov't.  I think this state of confusion exists because i think the self id numbers are confused as well.

When I was canvassing for the Lamont primary, I met a woman, a nurse, who said "I thought I was a conservative, but I took some quiz and it turns out I'm really a liberal"  What quiz, who knows?
But I don't think she's so very unusual.  

when these political self ID polls are done do they just ask are you X? or do they go through a list of items to determine what you really are.  I think the former.

So I think there are more liberals than the public and the media surmise.

Would it outnumber conservatives, no I doubt it... because the media does sway how people look at issues in the public sphere and it does push conservative memes.

But it would be interesting to see if the numbers were different what effect it might have on the media narrative

by debcoop 2007-03-13 11:38AM | 0 recs
Re: self identification

Exactly right. This is, I think, the evil genius of the so-called 'Reagan revolution': after decades of seeing true conservatism get beaten by New Deal liberalism (Barry Goldwater, anyone?) Reagan realized that you could offer people the cake and eat it too.

Pass massive tax cuts, but without any major reduction in the basically popular progressive policies of the New Deal. Then wait for the deficit to explode, and claim we've got an unsustainable amount of 'entitlements' which need to be cut.
Attack vague concepts such as 'government spending' 'waste' and 'beauracracy' without ever naming the programs that you intend to cut (because if you actually said 'social security', 'medicare' 'unemployment insurance', etc., you'd be crushed at the polls)
Deride Liberals as 'tax and spend' without suggesting any alternative to that most basic operation of all effective governments.
And expand the definition of 'Conservative' to be so broad and meaningless that everyone thinks of thmeselves as at least a little Conservative, so they vote for candidates they perceive as like-minded.

I agree with Chris that our leaders have the ability to shape public opinion, and ought to strive to do just that, but I think that as we deal with this new Congress, and find ourselves disappointed that all of the sweeping changes we'd love to see aren't passed rapid-fire, we have to understand that 25 years of this conservative clap-trap has build some pretty formidable hurdles for us to jump, and some times we're gonna fall short, at least on the first try.

by James Gatz 2007-03-13 12:41PM | 0 recs
We lost because People did not fight

Unlike the Vietnam War there was outpouring of sentiments--because there was a Draft.

Now people are isolated from it not asked to make sacrifices.  So although they answer in polls that they want troops to go home, or that we comment in blogs--we dont make the real fight --because it does not affect us.

It is the people's fault.

I was wishing Murtha's plan would cause them to institute a draft or Bush to increase taxes to pay for the war--so that it will hit home for people--then they will make their opinions known--they will be spurred to act--call their congressman, lobby their congressmen, etc.

by jasmine 2007-03-13 11:48AM | 0 recs
Who Thought It Would Be Easy?

It goes without saying that we need to keep pushing to bring the troops home.

What's in the supplemental isn't what we want, but it's closer than the non-binding resolution was. Each step is a step forward.

Don't mistake me for sounding concilatory - it's just this is what I expected from the Dems. They need pressure from the left to spine them up before they'll take real steps to bring the troops home.

And one note on the 06 elections - electing someone isn't enough, but it sure is easier to convince someone you elected to do the right thing.

by SteveWFP 2007-03-13 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Progressives Lost The Iraq Supplemental Fi

The more I read the intellectual produce of the "progressives", am coming to the conclusion that these people are seriously mentally ill.

by Fourpointoh 2007-03-13 03:12PM | 0 recs
Everything is Constructed

You wrote "who view the rise of conservatism in America from 1978-2006 as both natural and permanent, rather than as constructed and reversible. In my judgment, all evidence I have seen over the past four years shows that it is, in fact, reversible and constructed."

So, I am going to be the guy to point out the obvious, but all beliefs are socially constructed, from the way we view sexuality to the way we view the party.  The liberal consensus was constructed, as is this conservative consensus.  And don't we talk about what we are trying to do now in those terms? We are going to build, to construct, a party, an ideology, an infrastructure.  That, I think, is the real goal, to construct a new frame.

by KazHooker 2007-03-13 07:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Progressives Lost The Iraq Supplemental Fi

So, I am going to be the guy to point out the obvious, but all beliefs are socially constructed, from the way we view sexuality to the way we view the party.  The liberal consensus was constructed, as is this conservative consensus.  And don't we talk about what we are trying to do now in those terms? We are going to build, to construct, a party, an ideology, an infrastructure.  That, I think, is the real goal, to construct a new frame.

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