You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot with a hidden agenda

Or, at least, that is what most people think of you (emphasis in orginal):
When Reeder and his colleagues asked pro-war and antiwar Americans how they would describe the other side's motives, the researchers found that the groups suffered from an identical bias: People described others who agreed with them as motivated by ethics and principle, but felt that the people who disagreed with them were motivated by narrow self-interest.(...)

When Reeder asked the pro-war and antiwar volunteers whether they thought Bush had a hidden motive, the numbers flipped. Only 11 percent of the supporters of the president and the war said they could see a hidden agenda, whereas 50 percent of the people who opposed the war said it was plain as day that Bush had a hidden (and nefarious) motive.(...)

Another study found that liberals and conservatives not only overestimate their opponents' partisan motives on questions such as abortion and same-sex marriage but also overestimate the partisan motives of people on their own side.

"Partisans within ideological groups tended to view themselves as atypical vis-a-vis their group: atypical in their moderation, in their freedom from bias, and in their capacity to 'see things as they are in reality' even when that reality proves to be ideologically inconvenient or 'politically incorrect,' " Harvard Business School researcher Robert J. Robinson and his colleagues concluded.
All of the polite, "serious" people in the established punditry are regularly shocked--shocked, I say!--at just how unbelievably angry we blog denizens are. What I think few of them realize is that when people online react to politics with open anger, bitterness, regular questions of the motives of those who disagree with you, endless claims of bias, they are acting like normal Americans. Despite all of the calls for bi-partisanship, civil discourse from both pundits and people who respond to polls alike, the truth is that most Americans don't act in a bi-partisan and civil way when it comes to politics. No one gets the benefit of the doubt anymore. No one has an honest disagreement--you opponents have a hidden agenda, are stupid, uninformed, blind to reality, etc. That is just how most people think. When it comes out online, then that is the real America, not some idyllic land of civil discourse and bi-partisanship.

People often blame our polarized political world on politicians in Washington. The truth is, the rising division in our society goes far deeper than simply a class of political professionals. It has deeply impacted the way most people think on a day-to-day basis. I don't know if one is a symptom of the other, as that is a real chicken and egg discussion. However, this polling shows once again that calls for greater civility and bipartisanship are akin to Ted Haggard denouncing homosexuality and drug use. Most Americans like to think that is how they personally act, and they want to believe that the rancor in Washington is somehow unreflective of them personally, but the truth is that we live in a country of closeted, projecting "partisan polarizers," as Lieberman likes to say. Establishment pundits would be a lot better off if, like us bloggers, they had to deal with those popular sentiments everyday. The entire country might be better off if we all came out of the closet, and stopped pretending that we are something we are not. Most people are angry when it comes to politics these days, and with damn good reason. Admitting that might be the first step toward productive discussion.

Tags: Blogosphere, Culture, Ideology, Media, polls (all tags)

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15 Comments

I'm mad as hell

Most people are angry when it comes to politics these days

I know we're angry, but are the Repukes angry?  Or just confused and aimless?

by Sinfonian 2007-03-12 12:31PM | 0 recs
what an idiotically uninformed post

you're clearly biased and out of touch. everyone knows that americans love balance- in chicken breasts, tire pressure, and most especially politics.

sarcasm off, this reminds me once again of the deep and burning need we have in this country for education reform. meaningful, serious reform. people left and right in this country are too quick to accept ideology over rationality, and have become unable to apply the proper amount of critical thinking as they adopt beliefs. when everyone knows that "i'm right and you can't tell me otherwise"....well, just look at the mess we're in today.

by chicago dyke 2007-03-12 12:48PM | 0 recs
Civility War

It's not as if partisanship is some new development. They taught us in school about this thing called the American Civil War, which involved a disagreement on US domestic policy. And that was more than a hundred years before I was born, lo these many years ago. People are still arguing about that one.

In a related note, this is the week the length of the Iraq war passes the length of the Civil War.

by darrelplant 2007-03-12 12:59PM | 0 recs
And whose fault is this?

It wouldn't be the Lee Atwater - Newt Gingrich - Karl Rove - Hate Radio axis, which just happens to be on the extreme Right and which is wildly over-represented in coverage by "serious" media.

No, even to think that would be to fall victim to this very fallacy, when the serious, even-handed truth of the matter is, we're all at fault, and both sides are equally to blame.

Look, it may be true that nobody trusts each other anymore.  But that's because one side engaged in a decades-program of lies and hatred, and the other side has only finally begun to stop turning the other cheek.

Beware the meme of even-handedness.  It sure as heck isn't in the DNA of the Right...

by bleh 2007-03-12 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re:

When Reeder asked the pro-war and antiwar volunteers

"pro-war volunteers".  Like people in the army?

by eric the red 2007-03-12 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot

My post to the WaPo comments section:

Actually all Mr. Reeder's "study" has done is try to prove that both pro-war and anti-war partisans are ignorant, easily-led lemmings, an insult to both sides.  He devalues "principled opposition," claiming that since both sides see themselves as informed and principled and the "other side" as ignorant and hysterical, that both are therefore ignorant and hysterical.  That can't be true:  either Saddam had WMD or he didn't, either he had a nuclear weapons program or he didn't, either he was associating with Al Qaeda or he wasn't.  If one side claims all those things were false and their position is borne out by the historical record, that side cannot be claimed to be ignorant and hysterical in their opposition.  They were RIGHT.

(end quote)

What the hell does Reeder think he's proving?  My basis for calling Bush supporters ignorant and hysterical is that they are, for the most part, in fact ignorant and hysterical; it's not "partisanship," it's called "the truth."  

All this is, is one more obstacle in the way of Bush supporters admitting that Bush opponents might actually be right based on the FACTS, not just partisanship.  Now they can point to this study and say "but, Reeder's study says that you only THINK you're informed and principled, just like I do, so really it's just as possible that you hate Bush so much you only THINK you're right, therefore I can disagree with you and call you blinded by partisanship."  It excuses ignorance of reality.  It's like Intelligent Design Creationism, when you think about it.  It's the same kind of travesty of scientific, rational reasoning.

by liberalrob 2007-03-12 01:19PM | 0 recs
Polarization
The truth is, the rising division in our society goes far deeper than simply a class of political professionals. It has deeply impacted the way most people think on a day-to-day basis. And we are much more divided than we were during the Vietnam War. LINK
by piniella 2007-03-12 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot w

What is the definition of "normal Americans"?

There's the belief that "normal Americans" are not politically active and/or simply do not follow politics a whole lot.

Therefore, the belief would hold that bloggers -- readers and writers -- are not "normal" because our consumption of political news is deeper than, say, the aforementioned average American who may just glance the headlines of the morning paper, or catch the 6 o'clock news and call it a day.

We are not seen as "normal Americans" that politicians typically aim to garner support from. Instead, we are seen as political actors within an interest group.

by Matt Ortega 2007-03-12 02:01PM | 0 recs
It's about "pride" and "honor"

I've asked some young men who support the Iraq war, why?  The responses almost always includes one of those words.  When I ask them to explain, they say that we have a duty to support our troops because they're over there, and therefore we must support them so (or until) they will win.  They seem to be speaking straightforwardly, and I can't tell if its out of unquestioning patriotism, or a fear that they're wrong, that we really are losing.

Their answer is only biased or uninformed if I project my opinion onto it. They see it as honest and upright. That's as far as I can go.

by traveler 2007-03-12 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot w

Hey, my agenda isn't hidden.

by pjsauter 2007-03-12 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot w

Liberalrob has it nailed. As if the agents of disinformation didn't have enough garbage to throw, this adds the scholarly thoughtful touch to their musings. However, it falls into the 'true but useless' category. It's like being lost and being told you are "here". What we need to know from the social psychologists is how to tell the lemmings from the humans. That's why a book like John Dean's "Conscience of a Conservative" is much more useful.

by ArgonautVerily 2007-03-12 03:04PM | 0 recs
Fearmongering leads to Fear of Others

Sadly, I do think that the partaisanship we see emenates from Washington -- and from the White House, in particular.

There is the contstant harangue of fear:  Fear the terrorists, fear the sinful in your midst, fear those corrupting your children, fear the spies, fear those who want to take your guns away, fear economic decline. The list is endless.

No question is so small that it is not answered by fear and denigration of the 'other': You want gay marriage, you must want scarey, hippie child molestors in our midst and you must be crazy.

It is most unfortunate that we are facing a period of economic decline for most of us, as we owe trillions to China and other creditors, and the rich among us gobble up all available resources. We are also likely to have 'less' in coming years since we are 5% of the world's population, using 30% of the world's resources.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to be facing that scarcity with a reasonable human being at the helm -- Gore, Obama and Edwards being my favorites of the moment. Imagine them guiding us to a future where we share  scarce resources more equitably, with appreciation for the least among us.

An intelligent presidency could do a huge amount to quell the fear and name-calling we see today -- even with the fear-mongers carping at their feet.

by MS 2007-03-12 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Hidden Agenda

Will the secretary please read the hidden minutes of the last hidden meeting?

by pbg 2007-03-12 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot w

But it's sad that is has to be that way.

by MNPundit 2007-04-16 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: You are a biased, uninformed, partisan idiot w

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