Game On

From the Catholic League:

EDWARDS TOLERATES ANTI-CATHOLICISM  

Presidential hopeful John Edwards issued a statement today explaining why he is not firing Amanda Marcotte and Melissa McEwan for making obscene and anti-Catholic remarks.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue responds as follows:

"John Edwards has apparently decided that there is more to be gained by aligning himself with the cultural left than by standing on principle and firing the Catholic bashers on his payroll. Had anyone on his staff used the 'N-word,' he or she would have been fired immediately. But his goal is to loot the pockets of the Soros/Hollywood gang, and they--like him--aren't offended by anti-Catholicism. Indeed, they thrive on it.

"When Mel Gibson got drunk and made anti-Semitic remarks, he paid a price for doing so. When Michael Richards got angry and made racist remarks, he paid a price for doing so. When Isaiah Washington got ticked off and made anti-gay remarks, he paid a price for doing so. But John Edwards thinks the same rules don't apply to him, which is why he has chosen to embrace foul-mouthed anti-Catholic bigots on his payroll.

"Edwards said today that 'We're beginning a great debate about the future of our country, and we can't let it be hijacked.' I have news for him--the Catholic League--not Edwards--will decide what the debate will be about, and it won't be about the nation. It will be about the glaring double standard that colors the entire conversation about bigotry.  

"We will launch a nationwide public relations blitz that will be conducted on the pages of the New York Times, as well as in Catholic newspapers and periodicals. It will be on-going, breaking like a wave, starting next week and continuing through 2007. It will be an education campaign, informing the public of what he did today. We will also reach out to our allies in the Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist communities. They worked with us before on many issues, and are sure to do so again. What Edwards did today will not be forgotten."

206 people have sent emails to the press through Blogpac to prevent this antisemitic freak from having influence over our public discourse.  I don't care if you like John Edwards or hate him, this is about an attack by creepy theocrats on our way of life.  And yes, "loot the pockets of the Soros/Hollywood gang, and they--like him--aren't offended by anti-Catholicism. Indeed, they thrive on it," is code for antisemitism.  Don't let this go unanswered.

And please put responses in the comments.  I hope more groups get involved in fighting against sewer rats like Donahue.

UPDATE: 222. Wow.

UPDATE II: Now, 256.

UPDATE III: 325

UPDATE IV: 602.

UPDATE V: 726. It's spreading.

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by TarHeel 2007-02-08 10:51AM | 0 recs
Gibson defended Gibson back then. Call him on it

Donohue started his defense by citing Mel Gibson's "punishment" for his sin.
But Donohue forgot that in the age of the Internet, everythy comments lives eternally on the web.
Here is what he said in the August 1st edition of Scarborough Country in 2006, right after the Gibson's anti-Semitic rants:

"There's a lot of people who have made comments which are bigoted who are not necessarily bigots," adding that he is "concerned now about piling on." Of those who won't forgive Gibson, Donohue said: "Who gives a damn about those people?"Donohue then asked, "What kind of blood do they want out of this man?

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by kingsbridge77 2007-02-08 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Oh yeah.  Time for wartime consiglieri, time to go to the mattresses.  This should be fun.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 10:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

It's time to take the swiftboating out of politics, and put it where it belongs- in the dustbins of history.

by bruh21 2007-02-08 10:52AM | 0 recs
The Money Quote from Donohue

I have news for him--the Catholic League--not Edwards--will decide what the debate will be about, and it won't be about the nation.
THIS is what it has always been about - him, his winger organization and his quest for a seat at the table with the other wingers.

This is not about 60 million U.S. Catholics, the vast majority of whom don't know who Bill Donohue is and don't care, or do know but hold his organization in contempt.  Don't get misdirected.  It's about Bill Donohue getting credit among his revanchist winger friends and donors for scalping the liberal netroots, that means you and me.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 10:58AM | 0 recs
good catch

Screw the nation..

by TarHeel 2007-02-08 10:59AM | 0 recs
This temper tantrum brought to you by...

hehehe. That line was hilarious. What a self-righteous blowhard.

by msnook 2007-02-08 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: This temper tantrum brought to you by...

We should google bomb it.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Well, I'm no Edwards fan, but the religious right must be very scared of him, if they are targetting him this way.  I guess, buecause his central theme is about Social Justice, and that is a powerful draw for many Catholics.  In the end, though, the Catholic League only has influence of Catholics who would never vote Democratic.  Democratic and independent Cahtolics don't read Catholic newspapers and certainly don't sollow winguts like him.  And Democrats who read the New York Times aren't going to be swayed by this windbag's full page ads.  It is a desperate attempt to remain relevant... create a straw man you cna fight and look good doing so...

We should, and will, fight back hard...  hopefully, with quotes by Mr. Donohoe himself against him.  If he wants a dirty fith, he will have it.  

What an arrogant bastard... "We will define the debate"  Who the hell does he think he is?

Thanks,

Mike

by lordmikethegreat 2007-02-08 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Ironic isn't it?  Donahue and company have hijacked a large existing religion and come up with a new one: the worship (in principle at least) of the fetus.  Abortion doesn't appear even once in Donahue's Bible (72 books) but for the window dressing of an occassional speech, "Catholics" like Donahue have elected somebody who actively works against 2,000 years of church teaching rather than electing the second US catholic President.  

As comedians will say, accurately, tonight, "this debate is not about the nation -- it's about me. Me, me, me."

by David Kowalski 2007-02-08 12:49PM | 0 recs
sure they do

Democratic and independent Cahtolics don't read Catholic newspapers

Of course they do.  Just not those put out by the so-called Catholic League.

by Disputo 2007-02-08 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I have news for him--the Catholic League--not Edwards--will decide what the debate will be about, and it won't be about the nation. It will be about the glaring double standard that colors the entire conversation about bigotry.

You mean how "Catholic" organizations are allowed to criticise and defame, for example, gay people but aren't open to being criticized themselves?

Quite aside from that, I think its pretty arrogant to claim that the all-powerful Catholic League will determine the debate in the Democratic primary. I think Edwards just told them "no". They apparently don't like being told that.

by AmericanJedi 2007-02-08 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I wrote as soon as you posted the initial action item.  Now I wish I'd held off so I could answer this hateful crap.  

On a side note, what price exactly did Mel Gibson pay?  

by antidoto 2007-02-08 11:01AM | 0 recs
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I believe "Apocalypto" didn't make as much money as "Passion of the Christ" when it opened at #1.

Oh, the humanity!

by da0802 2007-02-08 12:14PM | 0 recs
Silence is Betrayal

Catholic League does not serve the best interests of the Catholicism. CL and Donohue are a sham...a mockery...a shamockery.

by optimusprime 2007-02-08 11:03AM | 0 recs
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Google bomb the Caotholic League anyone?

by MassEyesandEars 2007-02-08 11:06AM | 0 recs
by radical centrist 2007-02-08 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Speaking as a catholic, i find it offensive that Donohue thinks he can somehow speak for me and those who attend my church about this...or any other issue.

by bjschmid 2007-02-08 11:06AM | 0 recs
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Donohue's vicious rants against Jews, gays and lesbians violate Church teachings about respecting the dignity of the human person and rejecting antisemitism.  THAT FACT needs to get hammered home.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 11:11AM | 0 recs
We should point that out

Donahue does not speak for Catholics.  Just his extremist group with partisan political  intentions.

by jasmine 2007-02-08 11:38AM | 0 recs
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Just sent my response in.  Time to fight back and stop cowering.

by CTvoter 2007-02-08 11:11AM | 0 recs
Cafeteria Catholics and Edwards Bloggers

This was my version of the letter:

Cafeteria Catholics and Edwards Bloggers

You did not tell the whole story about the Edwards campaign bloggers or offer the kind of context that would have properly informed your readers about Bill Donohue and how he does NOT represent the Catholic Church and whose political actions threaten his organization's tax-exempt status.

Catholics like Donohue are extremists who are still fighting Vatican II.  They want the Catholic Church to go back to Latin Mass and the Dark Ages.  As RJ Eskow posts today at Huffington Post: Bill Donohue: A 'Cafeteria Catholic' Promotes Extremism

"To rightwing Catholic activists, "cafeteria Catholic" is a term of contempt for those who pick and choose which Church doctrine to follow. Bill Donohue arrogantly dismissed the Pope's pleas against the Iraq War in order to serve his political bosses, yet some reporters is still characterize him as a Catholic spokesman. Donohue's selectivity in following Church teachings is as "cafeteria" as it gets""

William Donohue of the Catholic League, who is quoted throughout the stories expressing his outrage at the religious intolerance of the bloggers, is on the record in numerous venues expressing extremely vulgar and religiously intolerant views himself such as "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular."   In a story such as this, where characters are being assaulted, it is the duty of a reporter to vet the source.

Covering the hiring of campaign staff  is perfectly legitimate.  However you don't serve your readers when you fail to provide context or perform due diligence on those who offer themselves as critics.

by gregflynn 2007-02-08 11:26AM | 0 recs
Exactly, Aldon!!

We are ALL Amanda Marcotte.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 11:28AM | 0 recs
now that they know he is their bitch...

I sent an email, but did anyone really think the Catholic League would back down after winning rounds I (NYT -> MSNBC -> CNN) and II (paralyzed Edwards campaign).

So maybe this time Edwards will respond in the same media cycle with the statement he should have had today. Of course, hitting hard now after buying into their frame drags the story into the weekend.

by Bob Brigham 2007-02-08 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: now that they know he is their bitch...

I am sure you would have rather seen a John Kerry "Botched Joke" response, which kept the story alive for two more news cycles.  Clowns like Donohue will never "back down," a mention from Edwards would be fund raising gold for them.

This ain't middle school.

by MassEyesandEars 2007-02-08 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: now that they know he is their bitch...

This has already been kept alive for two more news cycles. This moved on Tuesday and tomorrow (Friday) it is an AP story in papers all across America.

Plus the bonus quote in the AP story has Edwards wading deeper into the right wing frame (while distancing himself):

Edwards has never met the two bloggers and his first conversation with them came when he called to discuss the uproar. The 2004 vice presidential nominee told reporters in South Carolina: "It will not happen again. That you can be sure of."

Plus, his dipshit staff now looks like they caved to the bloggers:

Edwards remained silent for two days as the controversy grew on the Internet. Most of those posting on liberal Web sites were calling for Edwards to keep the bloggers on staff and stand up to Donohue, and many were vowing to work against him if he didn't.

by Bob Brigham 2007-02-08 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

The Catholic League is not a part of the Church, and Catholics out there should let their Bishops, Priests, Arch-Bishops, and Cardinals know how they feel about this Bigot claiming to speak for their views.  

A homophobic anti-semitic sleaze should never be allowed to claim he speaks for the Catholic Church and faith.  

If actual leaders of the Church were to distance themselves (if not condemn its hate speech) from the "Catholic League," it would do a great deal to harm Bill Donahue.  

Furthermore, complaints should be made to the IRS that the Catholic League may have violated its 501 c(3) tax exemption.  

by JJCPA 2007-02-08 11:35AM | 0 recs
Dont make this about Catholics vs Edwards

Do not make Donahue speak for Catholics.  Remember Catholics went for Dems in the midterms and are a swing group.

Isolate Donahue as fringe partisan extremist right wing group and stop  framing it as he a president of a Catholic group representing Catholics.

by jasmine 2007-02-08 11:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

One thing we should think about doing is to personally email reporters.  At this point pretty much every major journalist's email address is readily available on their stories.  If we're not in their rolodex, we shouldn't wait.  Go to them first.  Pitch it like a story.  "Did you know about Donohue's past statements?"

The downside is that Donohue is just trying to get publicity for the Catholic League, and more specifically donors.  More publicity for him, even if it's bad, will probably not deter that.

by dday 2007-02-08 11:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

mail sent and passed this on to five (blogging) friends. i'm also about to post about this on TAP.

this shit is long overdue.

by lipris 2007-02-08 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

yes it is.

by bruh21 2007-02-08 11:56AM | 0 recs
by blues 2007-02-08 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I wrote a rather long one that didn't even mention the bloggers, but focused on Donohoe and Malkin:

"Oh, how I long for the days when our national press corps refreshed its Rolodex once in a while, and didn't keep barking loons on speed-dial.

Bill Donohoe is a barking loon; that is, a foul-mouthed, anti-semitic, ignorant lout of a barking loon.  Why is he considered a quotable source?  Why does the national press pay any attention to a man who is an embarrassment to any cause he ostensibly supports?  I'm  pretty sure the Catholic Chuch in particular, and Christianity in general, would prefer not to be represented by the Donohoes of the world.

And Michelle Malkin... good lord, what can one say about her?  This is the woman who wrote an entire book justifying internment camps.  This is the women who insisted that a memorial to the victims of Flight 93 was actually a "secret Islamofascist signaling device."  Malkin is not only an embarrasment to any cause she supposedly supports, she makes Donohoe look rational by comparison.

And you treat these two as news sources.  You quote them.  You take their malignant lunacy seriously.  Why?  Who on Earth do they speak for?   Doesn't it trouble you, to treat these certifiable head cases as serious news sources?

It should, you know.  It should trouble you.  It should trouble your sense of professionalism - provided you have one; and if not, why sense of professionalism?  What are you dong, working in a profession so debased that you can't even feel that it is a profession?

It should trouble your sense of pride in what you do - provided you have a sense of pride; and if not, why not? What are you dong, working in a profession so debased that you can't even feel proud of what you do?

For the love of all that is holy, stop giving publicity to people who would be better off under a doctor's care.  You're only encouraging them to act out, to the detriment of everyone."

by CaseyL 2007-02-08 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

We need to find Catholics and get them front and center right now. Catholics for Edwards needs to stand up.

by IsaacGol 2007-02-08 12:01PM | 0 recs
Donohue is an embarassment

I'm Catholic and I'm proud of my faith, and the role Catholics have played in American society. But Bill Donohue is an idiot that panics about "holiday cards" and secular Jews and gays having abortions in Hollywood.

It's true, there really are people in America that hate Catholics. Most of them, however, are Donohue's allies in the Religious Right.

by Fitzy 2007-02-08 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Donohue is an embarassment

That's great! You need to send that statement to every news outlet you see that quotes Donohue.

by joyful alternative 2007-02-08 05:33PM | 0 recs
A Syllabus of Donohue's Bigoted Errors

can be found here at Majikthise, to whom HAT TIP.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: A Syllabus of Donohue's Bigoted Errors

thanks for the link. i also just realized that the catholic league is based right here in NYC. i think i just found my "local" angle.

by lipris 2007-02-08 12:15PM | 0 recs
Holy crap!

"But his goal is to loot the pockets of the Soros/Hollywood gang, and they--like him--aren't offended by anti-Catholicism. Indeed, they thrive on it."

That's coded anti-Semitism? Wow...well, at least he didn't call them big-nosed money-lenders who killed Jesus. He's holding that for the next press release.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2007-02-08 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Holy crap!

Yeah, that's "code" like 2+2 is "code" for 4.

by Scott Shields 2007-02-08 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

After you've taken action, be sure to head over to Digg to digg the action that's up:
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Fight_ back_against_media_hypocrisy_Defend_Edwa rds_bloggers

Also, if you have a bit more time, be sure to comment on the other right-wingers attempt to make it their issue. We need to overwhelm them everywhere. GAME ON!

by IsaacGol 2007-02-08 12:18PM | 0 recs
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Wow, justify much? "When Mel Gibson got drunk...when Michael Richards got angry..when Isaiah Washington got ticked off..."
by Nancy Scola 2007-02-08 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Donohue's own nastiness got tolerated for too long.

by Bruce Godfrey 2007-02-08 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I posted something on the JRE '08 facebook groups. That should get something going.

by Quinton 2007-02-08 12:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I deleted the form letter and simply asked why these organizations think that Donahue is a legitimate interview on the subject of hate speech, and don't any of these supposed news organizations do any research.

I don't know what they gain from giving this idiot a platform.  I really don't.  Especially because 98% of Americans could give a flying shit about this issue, or Donahue's wingnut group.  I'm a Catholic, and he sure as shit doesn't speak for me.

by RisingSign 2007-02-08 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Bring it, pussy!

by lutton 2007-02-08 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

very good

by Awfergu 2007-02-08 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I sent the e-mail and forwarded it to about a dozen others.  It's great to see the e-mails grow.  

As some state above, Edwards et. al. should get it front and center in the media that Donahue is not the Catholic Church and does not speak for it.  Dems need Catholic support big time and cannot be seen as anti-Catholic.  That's the true issue now -- you can bet the true agenda of Donahue always was to try to paint Dems as anti-Catholic.  

by hilltopper 2007-02-08 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Michigan Catholic here,  Edwards needs to get David Bonior out there (Catholic also)who just came on his campaign and speak out against this Donahue nut.  I have been tired of him and the "Catholic League"lie.  Take a look at the board of directors for it.  Its a who's who of anti Vatican II nuts- L. Brent Bozell III, Linda Chavez, Dolores Grier, Alan Keyes, Tom Monaghan, Michael Novak, Kate O'Beirne, Thomas Reeves, Patrick Riley, Bill Simon, Paul Vitz and George Weigel among others!!

John

by jsaveliv 2007-02-08 12:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

Done.  Will spread the word!

by citizen53 2007-02-08 12:55PM | 0 recs
Anyone having email problems?

It's not taking my email address... it's a standard .edu address.

Anyone else?

(I will find another one of my unused email address)

by MrMacMan 2007-02-08 02:10PM | 0 recs
Wackos

Since when do theocratic fascist wingnut fringers get to control John Edwards' hiring strategies?

by dataguy 2007-02-08 02:53PM | 0 recs
Look in the mirror, Mr. Donohue

"Bill Donohue has apparently decided that there is more to be gained by aligning himself with the cultural right than by standing on principle and firing the Anti-Semites on his payroll. Had anyone on his staff used the 'N-word,' he or she would have been fired immediately. But his goal is to loot the pockets of the Falwell/Dobson gang, and they--like him--aren't offended by anti-Semitism. Indeed, they thrive on it."

Yadda, yadda, yadda.

by Devin 2007-02-08 03:49PM | 0 recs
I just e-mailed through blogpac

As a Catholic Italian American I am triply disturbed and offended by your leagues outrageous conduct.  Mr Donahue's anti-semetic and racist comments have been extremely offensive.  John Edwards is not anti-Catholic and as a catholic myself I am utterly disgusted by your shameful and aggressive actions towards the Edwards campaign.

I would like to express my concern about the story your organization did yesterday on the Edwards campaign bloggers. It has come to my attention that you did not tell the whole story or offer the kind of context that would have properly informed your readers.

William Donohue of the Catholic League, who is quoted throughout the stories expressing his outrage at the religious intolerance of the bloggers, is on the record in numerous venues expressing extremely vulgar and religiously intolerant views himself such as "Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular."   In a story such as this, where characters are being assaulted, it is the duty of a reporter to vet the source.

Furthermore, your focus on the Edwards campaign to the exclusion of others gives a biased view of the campaign blogger phenomenon as a whole and leaves the impression with the reader that this is the only controversial hire in this election cycle.  This is incorrect.  In fact, John McCain's campaign blogger Patrick Hynes is the subject of substantial controversy surrounding his failure to reveal his role after he was hired and his well documented religious intolerance, going so far as to say that anyone who doesn't believe that the US is a Christian nation is stupid.

And it's not just his blogger.  John McCain's campaign manager, Terry Nelson, was an unindicted co-conspirator in the Tom Delay TMPAC scandal and the man responsible for the racist 'call me' ad used against Harold Ford in 2006, an irrefutable fact which Nelson's boss John McCain has denied.

No one disputes that covering the hiring of campaign staff  is perfectly legitimate.  However you don't serve your readers when you fail to provide context or perform due diligence on those who offer themselves as critics. I hope that we do not see a reprise of the trivial campaign coverage of recent years or more willingness to air unsubstantiated "swiftboat" style attacks.  

And I would expect that in the interest of accuracy and ethical journalism, you will devote some time and resources to covering the controversial staffers of the McCain campaign.  As the presumptive Republican frontrunner, his blogger Patrick Hynes' questionable earlier internet writings expressing religious intolerance and his strategist Terry Nelson's questionable campaign tactics warrant an investigation.

Sincerely

by gasperc 2007-02-08 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Game On

I wrote the Edwards Campaign.  I explained that the threat of loosing the "Catholic Vote" was a load of crap.  

Catholics in America are used to haveing to run everything through the "utter bullshit" filter.  Remember, most of them use birth control and have sex before marraige  They can see bullshit coming a mile away.  Edwards does not have to worry about loosing the Catholic vote because he hired a couple of bloggers.  My wife is Catholic.  Trust me, I know of what I speak.

by Awfergu 2007-02-08 06:07PM | 0 recs

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