Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

Vote Date:  October 3, 2007, 02:00 PM: To safely redeploy United States troops from Iraq.

YEA  28
NAY  68
Not Voting  4

Presidential candidate votes

Clinton - YEA
Biden - YEA
Dodd - YEA

Obama - Not Voting

Why Obama opens himself up to criticism by being the only Democrat to be absent on voting to end the war in Iraq is baffling.

YEAs ---28
Akaka (D-HI), Biden (D-DE, Boxer (D-CA, Brown (D-OH), Byrd (D-WV), Cantwell (D-WA), Cardin (D-MD), Clinton (D-NY), Dodd (D-CT), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Feinstein (D-CA), Harkin (D-IA), Kennedy (D-MA), Kerry (D-MA), Klobuchar (D-MN), Kohl (D-WI), Lautenberg (D-NJ), Leahy (D-VT), Menendez (D-NJ), Murray (D-WA), Reid (D-NV), Rockefeller (D-WV), Sanders (I-VT), Schumer (D-NY), Stabenow (D-MI), Whitehouse (D-RI), Wyden (D-OR)

Not a single Republican wants to change the direction of the Iraq war.

Tags: Feingold Amdt. (all tags)



Obama has surrendered

he's going to roll over 50 million for his next presidential run hoping hillary loses.

he should get out of the way and let Edwards have a one on one instead of deluding his army of followers that he intends to win

by TarHeel 2007-10-03 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama has surrendered

there is nothing constructive in this inane comment.

by Dem in Dallas 2007-10-03 12:08PM | 0 recs
Strange choices

So far Obama has missed 1) the vote on comdemning Moveon, 2)  the Lieberman-Kyl Bill (the war with Iran bill) and 3) this bill, on ending the war in Iraq.

by david mizner 2007-10-03 11:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

he didn't miss it...he made the SMART and PRINCIPLED choice to condemn the whole charade.

get your facts straight, mizner...

by Dem in Dallas 2007-10-03 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

That was the worst part of his missing the Moveon vote, pretending he did so as a form of protest. A little advice for O: next time he wants to protest a vote by sitting it out, he should announce his intention before the vote, not hours after the vote, hours in which he got bad press.

That was lame damage control.

by david mizner 2007-10-03 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

Didn't he also miss a key vote in the spring?

by pioneer111 2007-10-03 12:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

I heard somewhere that Hillary kicks puppies. Is that true?

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

Usually the best way to condemn a bill is by voting it down or like Minzer said announcing you're not voting before hand. I don't particularly care about that bill, but he handled it wrong.

He had a real good attendance record for somebody running for president, but know it also seems like he keeps missing more and more controversial votes. That's not a good perception to have brewing around out there. He should address that.

by Ernst 2007-10-03 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

There is no risk in ducking controversial votes.  What a leader.  

Look at his state legislative voting record.  There's a pattern of missing important votes so he stays friends with everyone.

by catchawave 2007-10-03 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

Obama was at Ohare and was asked about local problems in Illinois.  Obama said he didn't know anything about those problems and was too busy running for the Presidency.  With that he quickly departed.  Seems like he doesn't remember that he was elected by the people of Illinois.  

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Strange choices

Obama has also missed the AARP debate -- after which he came out and said if Seniors vote for him he will make sure they don't have to pay taxes.  

All the Dem candidates will be in Iowa including Obama but he will not be near the venue where the other candidates will appear. Why is he afraid of competition?   If he cannot take on the other candidates and articulate why he wants to be president then he should stay in the Senate and get more experience.

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:09PM | 0 recs
Redundant vote

Obama already voted YEA on the Feingold amdt. in Sept. It had no chance for passing today.

He is fighting for the nomination out in the streets right now....

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

So are Clinton , Dodd and Biden and they managed to vote.

by lori 2007-10-03 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

I guess they don't want it as bad as Obama does.

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

Or they are fighting for the nomination as well. By voting for this bill. And as a happy bonus, they're also doing their job.

I can think of a lot of reasons why Obama wouldn't vote for this at this moment, but this defense is just plain silly. Voting for bringing the troops home is a sign that they are not committed candidates? are you serious?

by Ernst 2007-10-03 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

Repeating now...

Obama already voted YEA on the Feingold amdt. in Sept. It had no chance for passing today.

Obama is on record as supporting this amendment.

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

Yeah, I kinda read that the first time.

Perhaps you should repeat reading my comment. that way then might be able to explain how that is related to my point about your comment I responded to.

Seeing that repeated sentence was the only sentence that my comment had absolutely nothing to do with.

by Ernst 2007-10-03 01:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

I don't disagree that Obama wants to be President but he wants to take a shortcut to the job.  Hillary, who is older than he is -- is out there everyday on the campaign trail and also getting to her Senatorial job for the important votes.  

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:18PM | 0 recs
Obama's Schedule

Foreign Policy Town Hall With Barack Obama in Iowa City
Wednesday, October 03, 2007 @ 11:00am
Iowa City, IA

Town Hall Meeting With Barack Obama in Washington
Wednesday, October 03, 2007 @ 1:45pm
Washington, IA

Town Hall Meeting With Barack Obama in Waterloo
Thursday, October 04, 2007 @ 12:30pm
Waterloo, IA

Meet the Candidate with Barack Obama in Independence
Thursday, October 04, 2007 @ 3:15pm
Independence, IA

African Americans for Obama - Caucus Training
Thursday, October 04, 2007 @ 7:00pm
Des Moines, IA

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 11:59AM | 0 recs
In was in town and voted on the day

That Biden's partition plan was voted on and the day that the Sense of the Senate vote against Moveon was voted against.

by dpANDREWS 2007-10-03 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

So you are saying that Obama voted for it before he didn't vote for it?

by hwc 2007-10-03 12:10PM | 0 recs
No i'm not saying that.

I would have to be a total repug to say that. Are you saying that?

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Redundant vote

Joe -- Obama is a Senator.  He is being judged by his Senatorial votes.  He should have been there.

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

I think the last I heard of Obama he was celebrating the anniversary of his anti war speech.

However it seems he has already voted on a similar legislation , that might make him a little more immune to charges of ducking or abseenteeism but i'll rather him spend more time voting to do something about changing the course of the war than celebrating the anniversary of his anti war speech.

Priorities are out of whack to me and it looks a little too self centered.

by lori 2007-10-03 11:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

Lori--when I read that Obama's speech was the 2 year anniversary of his anti war speech I had to laugh.  It seems he made that speech while he was a state senator which shows us once again that he has only been a Senator for two years.  I agree with you  -- better to make a new speech about how to end the war rather than celebrate himself for being against the war when he was not in a position to vote for it.  I wonder if he will celebrate the anniversary of every appropriation for the Iraq War in which he voted to give Bush ever more money.

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

The defense so far seems to be that he's on-record as supporting the sentiment, and that's enough.

by Junior Bug 2007-10-03 11:56AM | 0 recs
I think Obama was in Iowa

campaigning.  He never did get those 16 Republican senators to over come a veto all his supporters were talking about last spring.

The vote he missed that bothered me more was the Iran war vote.  He was in town for that.  

by TomP 2007-10-03 11:57AM | 0 recs
He touts his anti-war credentials...

yet when he cannot make these votes while others can, why should his boasts be taken seriously.

Yes, he made a bold speech in 2202, though some argue that he did put his career at risk like he claims.

But when the man calls out others about Iraq as he did yesterday, and those others show up to vote on an amendment to redeploy troops from Iraq, then I agree with Mr. Armstrong completely.

It's a matter of priorities and we are seeing Obama's.

by citizen53 2007-10-03 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: He touts his anti-war credentials...

Wasn't his excuse for missing the AARP forum was that he was back in Washington fighting to end the war?

I have yet to see him fighting for anything in the Senate.  He should be rallying in the cloakroom!

by catchawave 2007-10-03 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: He touts his anti-war credentials...

citizen -- absolutely right on

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

"Why Obama opens himself up to criticism by being the only Democrat to be absent on voting to end the war in Iraq is baffling."

To be sure.  But what exactly does this criticism consist of?  And how likely is such criticism to cost him votes in Iowa?

Don't get me wrong.  Feingold was actually my first choice for 08.  And all things equal, I would have prefered to see Obama fling himself against the brick wall like Clinton, Dodd and Biden.

But clearly he's made a calculation that missing these votes won't be what costs him the nomination--however much ire he draws from the activist blogosphere.  And he's probably right.

by moodmovesmarkets 2007-10-03 12:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

Iowa is just the start for Obama, not the finish line. These sort of votes are easily explained away in small states, but in the semi-national primary they'll all be dependent on the media markets. That makes the different. He'll still be vulnerable if he wins Iowa.

Desperate opponents could hit him with a lot of negative excrement. Senators that miss a bunch of this sort of votes open themselves up for a lot of trouble.

by Ernst 2007-10-03 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

This amendment was brought up for a vote in May and lost 29-67.

It was brought up again two weeks ago and lost 28-70.

It was erroneously suggested by some that we lost a vote between May and September; in fact, the difference was simply due to absentees.  In both cases we had 30 Democrats who supported ending the war, even though not all of them were present to vote.

Today, the vote was 28-68.  I'm told it was essentially the same amendment as the one that lost two weeks ago, so I kind of shrug at the fact that Obama missed this one.  What concerns me more is that Sen. Inouye from Hawaii apparently voted no today, when he supported the Feingold Amendment in both May and September.

I called his office and they didn't have a clue.  I suppose there could be some sort of clerical error.

I don't like our chances of being able to end the war prior to 2009 when we can't even pick up a single vote on the Feingold amendment as the months go by.

by Steve M 2007-10-03 12:05PM | 0 recs
Obama and progressive punch

Obama's missing votes are part of why he scores so low on Progressive Punch's "Chips are down" score. He is not there in the pinch. That also affects Dodd. Clinton ranks highest of all our Senator candidates on all three Progressive Punch measures.

by souvarine 2007-10-03 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama and progressive punch

Yeah, Joshua has let the cat out of the bag with this new algorithm.

I'm pretty sure Obama's good, good buddy Joey the Liarman gave him 'permission' to skip the vote.

Stik a fork in Ol' Barrack he's done.

by Pericles 2007-10-03 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama and progressive punch

Senators who run for President are judged by their votes on important issues.  I figure he thought it would look better if he were to look neutral on these issues and is not on record.  HE IS WRONG

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:29PM | 0 recs
Obama has a history of skipping tough votes

He skipped the vote on Bidens plan recently.  He skipped the sense of the Senate vote against Movon.  He was in D.C. when those votes were taken.

He also, as Lori pointed out in another diary, has a history from IL of skipping (by voting 'present' vs. yes / no) tough votes in issues like abortion and gun control.

Re: his IL votes:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html

Thanks to lori for the link.

by dpANDREWS 2007-10-03 12:14PM | 0 recs
Obama's 15th wedding anniversary tonight

Diary here.

by psericks 2007-10-03 12:23PM | 0 recs
Obama's 15th wedding anniv is in 2 wks

not 10/3

by edgery 2007-10-06 11:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

I'm not ready to pile on him. It's a meaningless vote. I want Hillary Clinton to skip some votes as well. She needs to get out of Washington ASAP.

by areyouready 2007-10-03 12:25PM | 0 recs
who is this?

Somebody stole areyouready's account call the police.

by JoeCoaster 2007-10-03 12:35PM | 0 recs
JoeCoaster ..

that's the best comment I have heard all day!!

by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle 2007-10-03 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

If only Obama had been there...we would have lost 68-29.  And if only 22 more Senators had joined with him, and the house passed the bill too, and they worked it out in conference, and the President accidentally signed it, it would go into effect.

When one of the candidate misses a close vote, Ill be pissed.  Until then, please continue to campaign so that a Democratic President can end the war in 2009.

by WellstoneDem 2007-10-03 12:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

The sticking point being, this is Mr. Consensus Builder we're talking about.  This is the guy who's promising to persuade Republicans to vote his way, and he isn't even persuading Democrats (it's unclear if he's trying or not).  Events like this make his entire foundational philosophy look like a sham.

by Junior Bug 2007-10-03 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

For me its not that Obama missed these votes, its that he's lazy.  He came to the Senate to run for Presidency and he doesn't seem to be interested in the job people elected him to do.  

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt.

Slightly off topic to this diary

but I saw this diary by Detroit Mark at Dkos on the same topic but he had a puzzling and disturbing observation

Watching C-Span's coverage of today's Senate Session, it appears as though the Democratic Party has fallen into a complete slumber on the issue of Iraq redeployment.  They scheduled 2 hours for debate on Sen. Russ Feingold's (D-WI) amendment which would require withdrawal of all troops by June of 08.  And then they proceeded to run the clock out with quoram calls, and wandering around the floor like so many lost air terminal customers.  No big speeches worthy of news coverage.  No passion.  No "fight the good fight" conflict.  To this voter's untrained eye, the entire process was an exercise in futility and time wasting.
I actually watched Joe Lieberman and Russ Feingold laughing and slapping each other on the back as the amendment went down in defeat.  What the fuck was so funny?

Did anyone else watch this on C-span.  I just find these comments distressing and it makes me wonder just what is going on in Washington?  

Joe Lieberman is Dodd's friend now and Feingold's?

by pioneer111 2007-10-03 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt.

Re: Obama bails (none / 0)

Maybe his schedule was set.  Maybe the vote was hopeless.  However, a Daniel Webster or Thomas Jefferson may have tried to do something besides vote, they may have tried to sway opinion.  If Obama wants to be a post-partisan transcendent leader he needs to realize that such a role calls him to do other things besides vote.  In this case, it calls upon him to use his considerable talents to sway a few of the 68 who voted "nay".  Differences with him aside, John Edwards has convinced me that if this vote was held twenty times, in twenty consecutive weeks, he would vote for it twenty times.


by Todd Bennett 2007-10-03 12:46PM | 0 recs
Obama also missed another vote last week...

From USAToday:

Four presidential candidates -- Biden, Brownback, Obama and McCain -- missed last week's Senate vote to renew and expand a federal-state health insurance program for children.

Clinton, meanwhile, was not only present for the Senate vote but also appeared on CNN and other TV programs to discuss her support for expanding health coverage to millions of uninsured children and to criticize the president's threatened veto. She also did a telephone conference call with reporters in Iowa, telling the media in the state with the nation's first presidential caucus why children's health coverage is important to her.

Link to roll call:  here

This is the bill that President Bush vetoed today, a legislation expanding a children's health insurance program by $35 billion over five years.

by Hurdy Gurdy 2007-10-03 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

It was voted down...fold the tents...no reason to bring it up again....
Ya think Clinton, Dodd, or Biden could have campaigning to do?
When he gave his speech yesterday...He knew this was coming. Yes he had a schedule. During his speech he could have said.."although I will be unable to vote to cut funding tomorrow, I have supported it, and still support it."

The purpose of bringing this up again...and again...and again...is to put pressure to end this occupation. Obama is a non-voter just like our Colorado Salazar....the difference is we don't expect anything from Salazar...

I wonder...if it were up to Obama, and not his handlers, would he have been there?
It will be interesting to see how he responds to this. I have not written him off..but i am disappointed.

by DenverD 2007-10-03 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

I must respond to this crap from Dem in Dallas

"he didn't miss it...he made the SMART and PRINCIPLED choice to condemn the whole charade."

If you really believe attempts to force an end to this madness is a charade then I can only assume,
you believe until January 2009...the Dems do nothing.

To many of us...and yes we vote in primaries and caucuses...ending this shit is not a charade...

I am assuming you do nothing to stop the executions in Texas because doing so is just a charade...

by DenverD 2007-10-03 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

Clinton was ABSENT during the real vote to fund the Iraq war.  She says she wants a timeline, but isn't around to insert one.  

HJ Res 52 (on Sept 27)  

Now she's here to vote for the one that will give her the 'anti-war image'.  How typical.  

by searchforsolidarity 2007-10-03 03:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

Obama and Biden were also ABSENT.

That was not the $150 billion Iraq war funding bill.  

H. J. Res. 52 is A joint resolution making continuing appropriations for the fiscal year 2008, and for other purposes.

Joint Resolution passed with:
AYE  94
NAY   1
Not Voting  5

Link to roll call:  here

The $150 billion Iraq and Afghanistan war funding bill was voted on by the Senate on Monday 10/1/07.

H.R.1585 -- (National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 )

AYE 92
Nay 3 - (Byrd, Coburn and Feingold)
Not Voting 5 - (Biden, Clinton, Dodd, McCain and Obama)

Link to roll call:  here

by Hurdy Gurdy 2007-10-03 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Feingold Amdt. No. 3164 roll call

To change one's mind is principled -- to be an empty vessel that people can fill with whatever they like is not principled.  Sen. Obama wants people to vote for him based on his personality and not on his stands on the issues.  Is there something we should know about his stands that might turn us off?  For instance why do so many rich people give him big money when he has not moved up in the polls. Have they told him to keep mum on the issues in order to run as an Independent??????

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:55PM | 0 recs
Fuck the primary, you lose generals with missed


Sitting sens get bounced over shit like this.  You think the GOP won't hit him with missed votes in the general if he's our nominee?

by jgarcia 2007-10-03 04:02PM | 0 recs
Obama Takes Lazy Way Out

JG--Of course.  I am disturbed that Obama seems to be a lazy guy who sees an opportunity to get a bigger job if he doesn't do or say anything controversial.  He seems willing to ditch the job he has after only 2 years.  I think he is flawed and inexperienced.

by changehorses08 2007-10-03 10:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Takes Lazy Way Out

I agree with your Obama assessment.  I also think he'd get eatin alive by the GOP in a general.  He's not tough enough yet to handle them.

by jgarcia 2007-10-05 11:30AM | 0 recs


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