Remember, This is About Spying On Political Opponents

Georgia10's post on wiretapping hearings being an opportunity to 'go on the offensive on national security' is flat out wrong.  This is about spying on political opposition and journalists.  I detailed six examples of this kind of behavior.

How 'strong' does Kennedy's questioning really look?

In addition, Kennedy will underscore how willing Congress was/is to give the President the tools he needed, and question Gonzales why they parted with history in deciding to circumvent the time honored (and Constitutionally required) system of checks and balances. He will strongly contend that Congress is willing to work with this administration.

In other words, we really really really really want to work with you to catch terrorists.  Why are you doing it all alone you big strong man?

Contrast this with Feingold's rehash of "Give me liberty or give me death." Now that's strength.

The way to attack this program is to show what it's really about - lawbreaking to attack Democrats, journalists, and dissidents. The burden of proof is on Bush to show it isn't.

Tags: Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy, wiretapping (all tags)



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Amen.  Quit with the two paragraph chest beating preface to every statement.  How about this for a start:

What is it they are hiding that they couldnt even tell a judge after the fact and in secret?

by sck5 2006-02-06 04:17AM | 0 recs
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If they claim that they aren't hiding anything, ask them if they believe that the FISA court is stocked with terrorist double agents who run out and tell all their terrorist friends about the newest wiretapps at the first chance they get.

yes - well, why haven't you presented the evidence and gotten those judges removed from their seat or at least off the FISA court?

no - Back to your question, what are you hiding that you can't tell a set of judges that you deem are trustworthy?

by stevenlohrenz 2006-02-06 05:01AM | 0 recs
As an early and dedicated member of

As one of really the first (who was pizt ov at Bill Clinton, but didn't like the political theatre) members of -

I have to say that I am totally biased in my judgement here.

That said, I think, has done the very best job of finding out the exact extent of this criminal activity.

Check this baby out. llegal.html

by turnerbroadcasting 2006-02-06 04:22AM | 0 recs
What about gas prices?

I'm as outraged as anyone about domestic spying, but if Democrats want to win, they should be talking about rising gas prices, lack of health care, and increasing the minimum wage - basic bread and butter issues that are hurting average Americans. When you are working two jobs to pay the rent or mortgage, and your grandmother can't get her prescription filled because Bush screwed up the medicare drug plan, you aren't interested in domestic spying, you are interested in surviving. It is the middle class squeeze, people, not domestic spying and the Supreme Court, that will elect Democrats in November.

by nascardem 2006-02-06 05:54AM | 0 recs
Benefit of the Doubt

The problem is, since the 2000 election, the media and Congress have insisted on giving BushCo the benefit of the doubt.

Gonzo testifies to Hatch that the 4th Amendment, the 2001 Force Resolution, and the Appeals Court rulings on FISA cases all establish precedent for use of warrantless wiretaps to intercept al Qaeda communications.

But without oversight, disclosure and warrants, how do we know they're only spying on al Qaeda?

We give them the benefit of the doubt, so we don't have to worry about the ugly and unpleasant eventuality that Bush, Cheney, Hayden, and Gonzales are LYING!

That's the real trouble here.  The Republicans in Congress--especially Hatch and Sessions--DeWine, too--won't breath a word of suspicion or mistrust on behalf of the American people.  They give the Bush Crime Family the benefit of the doubt, every time.

So we're fucked again.

by liberal elite 2006-02-06 06:15AM | 0 recs
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Agreed. However, I'm not feeling a focused theme in the Dems line of questioning. Ted Kennedy's long-winded questions exemplifies my concern that the Dems are not united in thought and purpose. Sadly, it appears that they haven't learned a damn thing since the BorkAlito confirmation hearing disaster.

by fafnir 2006-02-06 06:24AM | 0 recs

Strong questioning would begin with "why did you lie to Congress under oath last time.  And given that you did, why should we believe a word you say this time?"

Or, since this is a mug's game, when they refused to put him under oath, every Democrat walks out.  That would be a better story than allowing Gonzales to lie without real protest.

by Ian Welsh 2006-02-06 06:28AM | 0 recs
Someone shoot Yahoo News

The headline:
Gonzales Answers Tough Questions on Spying

He wasn't even freakin' sworn in!!!!

by jgkojak 2006-02-06 06:51AM | 0 recs
Remember, This is About Spying

Absolutely.  Our system is built on checks and balances not on trust.  

Mr Bush should be accused loudly and often of spying on domestic political opponents.   Demand that he prove he is not.

Since he cannot prove it without oversight, either we make the charge stick or we force him to accept oversight.

by bakho 2006-02-06 07:03AM | 0 recs
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I disagree.  This is about a President placing his own pursuit of power above his allegiance to our American Democracy.  His actions show contempt for our constitution and the governing power it places in the hands of all Americans.  Further, his actions place our security in dire risk and reveal the depth of his commitment to protecting America to be as shallow as his opportunistic sloganeering and stage management.

Due respect to author, but if this matter is understood as a legal issue, Dems will be seen as lawyers litigating and getting in the way of the President as he tries to protect us from terrorists.  Every trial has two sides and people will wonder why we're having an internal squabble in war time.

by rvan 2006-02-06 08:10AM | 0 recs
Time for Ted to step aside

Kennedy has morphed into a process Democrat. He has Kerryitis and no longer has the stomach for straight talk. We need new blood in the Democratic Party. Somebody with a little fire in their belly.

by Gary Boatwright 2006-02-06 08:19AM | 0 recs
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I agree with you!  I was reading her post and my eyes started to glaze over.

This is about the erosion of our liberties!

The Extremist Rantings Of A Mainstream Progressive  

by frizzle 2006-02-06 09:16AM | 0 recs
What makes you think they're not spying on R's?

After all, the Republicans are currently the party in power.  If Bush needs to get things accomplished it may seem like the Republicans will just give it a pass, but they probably won't go with declaring him founder of the Bush dynasty of imperial rule unless he gets enough dirt on them.

Oh, I'm sure he has stuff on the democrats and media too, but I'm bettering he has an awful lot of stuff on the Republicans, and that stuff has got to be incredibly damaging too.

by tolkien 2006-02-06 10:45AM | 0 recs


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