Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become Vice-President

Every time Carville opens his mouth like he did today, I'm just going to keep dumping more of this oppo. When it comes to Carville, there is a lot of it, and it is really easy to come by. For example, James Carville and Paul Begala in the Washington Monthly, June 2000: By choosing former Georgia governor Zell Miller as his running mate, Al Gore could add intellectual brainpower, rhetorical firepower, and lots of plain old populist piss-and-vinegar to this staid election. Good call. I guess Joe Lieberman was too liberal and pro-Democratic for Carville and Begala. The foresight demonstrated by Carville and Begala on who should lead the Democratic Party is breathtaking.

There is a difference between Howard Dean and James Carville. Unlike Dean, Carville represents the anti-Democratic wing of the Democratic Party. Carville's favorite Democrats are consistently those who attack other Democrats whenever possible.

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Maybe they were right.

Al Gore may have done better with Zell Miller on the ticket than with Joe Lieberman.

Zell Miller wouldn't have spoken at the 2004 Republican Convention if he'd been the Demcratic vice president.

by Eric Jaffa 2006-11-15 10:38AM | 0 recs
Would he have accepted?

He evidently praised Bush during his run for a special election in the senate coinciding with the 2000 election.

I think Gore could have done better with almost anyone except Lieberman in retrospect.  

Though I think Zell would have cost a lot base liberal voters.  One of Gore's problems was the idea he was no different that Bush.  Zell would definitely not exemplify that difference.

by scientician 2006-11-15 11:59AM | 0 recs
I think Gore would be president today

Of course, there would have to be a 24-hour Secret Service watch armed with tranquilizer darts to keep an eye on Zell.

Carville, by the way, demanded his personal $1,000 contribution back after Miller supported Bush's tax cuts in 2001. Miller put it in an envelope and mailed it to him. So they didn't part friends.

Carville v. Dean is not a fight to the finish; you don't have to take sides.

Sometimes I wonder, though, if James and Zell weren't both eating from the same plate of mad cow jambalaya.

Dean has been, and beyond any doubt will continue to be, a great party chairman. James maybe needs a week off. Take that wife of his to a remote island the South Pacific and watch giant sea turtles fuck in the sun.

by stevehigh 2006-11-15 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become Vice-Pre

Hehe! Good slap at Lieberman.

by Baltimore 2006-11-15 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become

Carville has been sort of out of touch for a looooooooooong time.  I really don't know whay anyone pays attention to his inside baseball beltway hissyfits.  He seems to be the only mad, dissatisfied Democrat around, the last week at least.  Everytime I see him now I think "when was the last time that guy ever talked to a grassroots Democrat"?

Vice President Zell Miller?? -- that is really scarey, I hope I don't have a nightmere about that tonight.

by howardpark 2006-11-15 10:40AM | 0 recs
To be fair...

To be fair, I don't think anyone thought that Zell would totally lose his mind after 9/11, and so zealously attack all Democrats and challenge Chris Matthews to a duel.  He was a very public Clinton supporter, and one cannot predict how crazy another person will become in their old age.

by Qshio 2006-11-15 11:04AM | 0 recs
Zell Miller To Become Vice-President

Zell Miller circa 2000 was MUCH different than Zell post-9/11.  The man changed in a big way.

He was a strong ally of President Clinton and in terms of policy, he brought free college to Georgia students if they went to state universities.

by MyDD Fan 2006-11-15 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become Vice-Pre

And Carville was the first to go after Zell after he went round the bend. He even demanded a refund on the $1000 he had donated to Miller's election coffers. (Don't think he got it.)

by thesleepthief 2006-11-15 11:11AM | 0 recs
So what?

No one should listen to Carville.  After all he was only the political strategist for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign.  What the hell would he know?  

by ditka 2006-11-15 11:55AM | 0 recs
How do you know

That Clinton wouldn't have done even better absent Carville?  Maybe he would have topped 50% in 1996.  Taken back the house in 1998.

Because Clinton was successful could be because Carville is/was really good, or because Bill Clinton is simply that strong a candidate.

Whatever good he was in 1996 and 1992 he's not demonstrating that now.

by scientician 2006-11-15 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you know

Actually, Carville had little or nothing to do with the 96 or98 campaign.  In 96, the main political operative was DICK Morris.

by Andy Katz 2006-11-15 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become VP

Carville is 100% wrong about Dean, and I did not support him for President or DNC Chair.  However, Dean was as much a part of the win last week as everyone else and should be getting praise, not criticism.  You win as a team and lose as a team.

Re Zell Miller - I think this criticizing Carville for pushing Miller for VP in 2000 is off base.  Somewhere b/w 1992 and 2001 Zell Miller went off the rails.  He gave a great speech at the 1992 Dem convention and was a staunch Clinton supporter throughout his time as Gov.  He also did a lot of progressive things as Gov of GA including using state lottery dollars for college scholarships.  

I am not sure what happened to the Miller but he lost his marbles somewhere along the way.  I sense Carville has done the same thing.  Carville has a lot of stuff to be proud of earlier in his career including helping Harris Wofford and Bill Clinton get elected.  However, this constant criticism of Dean when he did a good job is really ridiculous and annoying.

by John Mills 2006-11-15 11:59AM | 0 recs
zell

I like Carville and Begala.

I cannot find myself in agreement with naming Zell Miller as VP.

by kydem 2006-11-15 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become Vice-Pre

This was before to Zell Miller went crazy.  He was once a good Democratic governor.

by Marylander 2006-11-15 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Carville Wanted Zell Miller To Become Vice-Pre

It used to be that Republicans had to break into Democratic office space to steal Democratic confidential information.  Now, they have Carville to pass it along directly to them through his wife.    

by gunnar 2006-11-15 04:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Carville

Yeah Chris.  Carville is an ass, and you say it so well.

by dkmich 2006-11-16 01:01AM | 0 recs

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