Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Survey USA has a huge omnibus poll that matches up numerous, potential Democratic presidential contenders with numerous, potential Republican Presidential contenders in all fifty states. I think there are 60 matchups overall, but you only get only for free. My "free" matchup showed John Edwards beating Sam Brownback 532-6. No surprise there, but I wanted to start with a matchup where I was pretty sure a Democrat would win huge. I am going to purchase all sixty of the matchups now.

I am not sure if I am allowed to reprint all of the matchups here, so if people in the comments were to each choose one of the sixty matchups, and post the results in the comments, that would be a fun group project this morning.

Update: Of course, even then, we wouldn't get to see all of the results in each state for each of the 60 matchups, so this would be a poor substitute. Really, if you want all the information, go to Survey USA and buy a subscription. Here is a teaser: FDR beats Reagan 438-100!

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105 Comments

Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
John McCain - 377
Al Gore - 161
by PsiFighter37 2006-11-13 05:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

With McCain taking MA!

by BingoL 2006-11-13 09:08AM | 0 recs
We'll flip those numbers once Gore enters the race

McCain carries an image that doesn't match his record. On the other hand, Gore is still burdened with the false negatives that were slung by the media/right wing machine in 2000.

Furthermore, when Gore stood up for electoral justice in 2000, thanks to the virulent attack campaign by Republican'ts, his unfavorables rose. He also paid a price for taking positions such as opposing the war (and calling for near-complete repeal of the Patriot act. Please see my diary) when the public opinion was contrary to those positions. Unfortunately, unfavorables rise when you buck the public opinion, and they tend to linger even after the person in question has been vindicated later, as Gore's anti-Iraq position and speech have been.

Clearly, I'm glad that Gore fought the tough battles in the interests of doing the right thing instead of making more strategic choices that would help him personally.

McCain has a rabid right-wing record, especially over the past six years when he has stooped to whatever depth he needed to in order to increase his 2008 prospects has been a leading Rubber-stamping Bush Republican't. He was also a top cheerleader for the unwarranted Iraq war. Most people don't realize this record and his hypocritical political gaming.

Old foes McCain, Falwell commence reconciliation

When we expose the truth (that's what a principled and facts/reasoning based campaign would be all about), I expect the tide to turn (as it did in the 2006 midterms).

by NuevoLiberal 2006-11-13 11:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
Clark - only Arkansas and DC
McCain - everything else
by yellowdog jim 2006-11-13 05:09AM | 0 recs
Obama versus Condi

Obama versus Condi

Obama loses 76 to 462.  

by Dumbo 2006-11-13 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

McCain - 456
Richardson - 73

...I think I may have forgotten the actual numbers because I clicked away and then it tried to make me pay to look at it again. Nonetheless, this is pretty much what it looked like.

by mwilli 2006-11-13 05:10AM | 0 recs
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McCain 499
Richardson 39

I wasn't paying attention. I should have seen that you did this one.

Oh Well I got the right numbers.

by Jeff Wegerson 2006-11-13 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
Gore   - 526
Romney - 12
by benjamink 2006-11-13 05:14AM | 0 recs
Gore vs. Giuliani
Damn! Gore 148, Giuliani 390 :(
Only CA, OR, and some states in northeast for Al...
by Gray 2006-11-13 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Obama vs. Giuliani - Obama wins only IL and DC. These polls are f-ed, save your money, Chris!

by zenbowl 2006-11-13 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Yup, that's ridiculous. There's no way Rudi G. would win CA against Obama.

by Gray 2006-11-13 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I did this match up earlier and I think Obama won Hawaii also.

by asearchforreason 2006-11-13 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Yeah, that's what I did. Obama takes IL, HI, and DC.

by X Stryker 2006-11-13 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I found the results suspicious. Most matchups I tried showed GOP landslides in all but a few states.

by robliberal 2006-11-13 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

McCain 351, Clinton 187.  McCain takes Connecticut, Vermont, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Oregon . . . hahahahah.

by rexus 2006-11-13 05:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Interesting that Gore is doing better than Hillary against McCain.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-11-13 05:48AM | 0 recs
Edwards vs Gingrich

538 to 0.  Edwards sweeps!

Party like it's 1964 again.

by scientician 2006-11-13 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Edwards 538
Gingrich 0

Bwa-hah-hah!

by RickD 2006-11-13 05:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

ha, I wouldn't have expected another twisted mind like mine to hope for such a matchup.

by scientician 2006-11-13 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Damn it - two seconds late and my choice is worthless now . :(

by RickD 2006-11-13 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Have a 3.

Oh yeah, you can click one state for free to see the result in that state of your matchup.

Edwards took 60% of florida's vote over Gingrich.

by scientician 2006-11-13 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

FDR: 430
Ronald Reagan: 108

I couldn't resist that matchup.  

by LSdemocrat1 2006-11-13 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Hey, we could use this poll to help to stop that rediculous Grover Norquist idea to remove FDR from the dime and replace him with Ronald Reagan.  

by gunnar 2006-11-13 02:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Warner 394
Gingrich 144

Warner takes former red states NV, CO, AR, TN, KY, VA, FL, MO

by littlehippocrat 2006-11-13 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Edwards 529, Romney 9... would be nice, but yeah, right.

by sean 2006-11-13 05:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Clinton 518 Huckabee 20.

Huck wins Montana, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, and Nebraska. Doesn't win a single state in the south. Not even his own state.

This thing is beyond stupid.

by bbstucco 2006-11-13 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Clinton 187 McCain 351

Saint Hillary: MA, NY, NJ, DE, MD, DC, FL, IL, AR, CA, HI.

FL: Saint Hillary: 48%, Straight Talk McCain: 45%

by BruceMcF 2006-11-13 11:13AM | 0 recs
Um...

...Clinton was originally from Arkansas, too, and the Clinton machine is, to a certain extent, still active there.  It makes sense that she might win there.

by Geotpf 2006-11-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Giuliani - 354
Clinton - 184

Of course, I don't know that I see either of them winning their party's noms, but whatever...

by schulz52 2006-11-13 05:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
Obama 28
McCain 510
by clockwerks 2006-11-13 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Why don't I believe that one?

by raginillinoian 2006-11-13 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Remember that its not a prediction ... as long as McCain has the halo in the MSM of a maverick who will go against the Republican party when he thinks its wrong, and for campaign finance reform, he'll do well because of strong name recognition.

For example:

McCain (272): ME, NH, MA, PA, NJ, DE, VA, GA, TN, AL, MS, IN, AR, LA, MN, ND, SD, NE, KS, OK, TX, MT, WY, CO, NM, WA, OR, ID, NV, UT, AZ

Edwards (266): RI, CT, VT, NY, MD, NC, SC, FL, OH, WV, KY, MI, WI, IL, IA, MO, CA.

OH: Edwards 48, McCain, 42.

No way that McCain polls a positive margin in MA against Democratic with reasonably high name recognition if they learn about his stance on most issues, and especially after he has pretzeled the Straight Talk Express in chasing Republican primary voters.

by BruceMcF 2006-11-13 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Oops, didn't look at the edges of the map ...

McCain: ... AK

Edwards: ... HI

by BruceMcF 2006-11-13 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Obama takes only Illinois, DC, and Hawaii. McCain wins Massachusetts 58% to 33%. Seems a little suspicious to me.

by ltsply2 2006-11-13 09:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
Gore 451
Hagel 87
by tea in the harbor 2006-11-13 05:41AM | 0 recs
OT: Vote Turnout Analysis by American University

FYI - Some voting analysis by American University available on their College of Public Affairs website.  It's 82 pages long with a sh*tload of charts.  I've just downloaded it and it's going to take me a bit to get through it.  

http://spa.american.edu/newsitem.php?ID= 37

The document is in PDF form available at the bottom of the page.

by lisadawn82 2006-11-13 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: OT: Vote Turnout Analysis by American Universi

Go Eagles!!!

by Max Friedman 2006-11-13 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

This is bull. Iove Gore but there is no way he beats Jeb 517-21. jeb only gets ID, WY, UT, and AL. I cannot believe that Jeb would only get 44% in FL. Plus I don't remember selecting a third party candidate and if Gore gets 48% and Jeb gets 44% then we are missing 8%.

by nibit25 2006-11-13 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Actually, the fact that Gore beats Jeb in Florida tells me how strong Gore really is.

Both of them are extremely well-known in Florida.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-11-13 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

The Bush name has been badly tarnished.

by gunnar 2006-11-13 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

gore - 311
condi - 227

gore gets the west coast, nevada, colorado, tennessee, arkansas, missouri, iowa
but he loses montana, minnesota, all the red states, and indiana.

mmm... well, my sense is that this looks mostly right, except that i bet he'd smoke condi in montana.  also, my sense is that some of the tighter states (ohio, new hampshire, etc) would be really conflicted over who they chose.

note: he apparently wins tennessee 48-45. funny, gore-condi in red states would be like jindal-bianco wherein the voters really don't want to vote for either.

second note: hah hah, like gore and condi would ever face off.

by island empire 2006-11-13 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Edwards-McCain

266-272

Edwards in Ohio, McCain in NH, Maine, maybe some other small state.

I agree shouldn't take them as gospel, but interesting.

by roublen vesseau 2006-11-13 05:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Wow. Now that's really interesting.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-11-13 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Clark vs. McCain - Clark wins AK, McCain takes the rest :-(

by brainwave 2006-11-13 05:58AM | 0 recs
Err, I mean Arkansas, not Alaska. Sheesh! (n/t)

by brainwave 2006-11-13 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
Gore v. Allen:
508 to 30
by Catch 22 2006-11-13 06:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

People are ignoring Gore way too much.  He is the ONLY Democrat who could thwart a potential Hillary Express.  No problem with cash, no problem with name recognition, experience etc.  And let's not forget the minor detail that he's won a presidential campaign before but got SHAFTED!!  More importantly for Dem primary voters, he was right on Iraq, unlike Hillary, and also unlike Hillary hasn't kowtowed to right wingers one iota...

by MinorRipper 2006-11-13 06:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I disagree - Edwards leads Hillary in Iowa as it is... the early game is in Edwards' favor... this nomination process could very well go to Edwards.

by KainIIIC 2006-11-13 06:59AM | 0 recs
That's one poll from Iowa

and the margin was 4%, below the 4.9% margin of error.

Edwards visited IA a dozen times, HRC and others hadn't.

Gore and Obama weren't included in that poll.

Not exactly a relevant poll any longer.

by NuevoLiberal 2006-11-13 07:12AM | 0 recs
Gore wasn't included in the D.M. Register's poll..

...because he said he wasn't interested in running. Apparently the Register took him at his word.

More visits by Hillary to Iowa do not guarantee that her numbers rise significantly. Her negatives are considerably higher than those of Edwards, and only a tiny percentage have not already formed an opinion of her.

by MeanBoneII 2006-11-13 11:22AM | 0 recs
Negatives/Positives aren't written in stone

A campaign is all about informing people about candidates' record and positions, and doing one's best to fight false claims and baseless negative attacks.

by NuevoLiberal 2006-11-13 12:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Im a big fan of Al Gore but I am thinking its increasingly unlikely he will run.

I understand that polls can be highly misleading but in the recent Newsweek Poll a whopping 53% said there was "No chance" they would vote for Gore.

The only listed candidates that did worse on this measure were Kerry (55%) and Gingrich (58%).

I have been saying that Hillary is hardly a lock, but she did get the highest percentage of those who said there was a good chance they would vote for her with 33%.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15667442/sit e/newsweek/page/3/
http://www.pollingreport.com/2008.htm#mi sc

by Catch 22 2006-11-13 09:18AM | 0 recs
Gore?

Al Gore a strong candidate? Ugh. Can we please just move on and find some new blood. Send Gore, Kerry, Edwards & Hillary away and let someone else lead.

by schulz52 2006-11-13 06:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Gore?

Yeah, what's with wanting a credible and highly intelligent policy wonk who works tirelessly for great causes and already won a national campaign in 2000?  Shit, no, we should choose some unknown quantity!  'Cause Al Gore lied about inventing the internets or some shit.

Really, the case against Gore has only 1 point:  He's so far unwilling to run.

If you've seen An Inconvenient Truth, you know this guy can and would win the Presidency if he ran again.

by scientician 2006-11-13 06:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Gore?

Halleluja, Brother!

by prince myshkin 2006-11-13 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Gore?

Um, no. I'm as much of a Dem as the next guy, but Al Gore definitely has more than one failing.

1. He managed to run one of the worst campaigns ever and lost (yes, lost) an election that shouldn't have been close because he couldn't decide who he was. Regardless of all that's happened since, that loser tag would be a very difficult thing to overcome.

  1. When was the last time a "wonk" won a national election? If the elections of Bush and Clinton (and the defeats of Gore and Kerry) should've taught us anything, it's that America doesn't want a wonk. It wants a guy that you can have a beer with and relate to. (Not saying that it's right -- hell, I voted for Bill Bradley in the primaries back when and no one's wonkier than he is). Al's not that guy in my view, and would have a hard time changing that view.
  2. This past election was, to a degree, about bringing in new blood. I just think America's hungry for new leadership and would bristle at Gore's return.

Anyway, there are certainly arguments that would back Gore, and certainly passionate people on the left who would back him. I just have my doubts, that's all.

by schulz52 2006-11-13 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

It looks like, according to SurveyUSA, McCain is a mighty, mighty man.

by dwbh 2006-11-13 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

But not as mighty as Rudy.

by X Stryker 2006-11-13 09:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Some people are taking this way too seriously.  The election is 2 years away.  This is mostly showing name recongition.

by asearchforreason 2006-11-13 06:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I believe you're correct in the name recognition factor.  I really think that McCain has hitched himself to a sinking ship in the form of the reactionary religious right.  Their power is on the decline.  

by lisadawn82 2006-11-13 06:14AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, and they don't even like him.

by prince myshkin 2006-11-13 09:39AM | 0 recs
That McCain/Edwards Matchup is REALLY intriguing

Yes, McCain right now beats Edwards. But only, as was pointed out, by 6 electoral votes. And McCain, according to the polling, would win Massachussets, maines and New Hampshire.

I find it very hard to believe that McCain would beat Edwards in any of those states, let a,onw Massachusetts.

On the other hand, They have Edwards beating McCain in South carolina so that's kind of a wash.

They also show McCain beating Edwards in Washington and Oregon, whcih I think would be reversed. So, the electoral math is VERY favorable towards Edwards in reality.

It appears that Missouri, and Iowa will be the swing states in that matchup.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-11-13 06:16AM | 0 recs
As of RIGHT NOW, Edwards is the only Democrat...

...who has a seriously legitimate shot at knocking off McCain. (Remember, I said RIGHT NOW.) The poll had McCain beating Edwards in Pennsylvania, 44%-41%, hardly a conclusive number. Put PA and MA in Edwards' column, SC in McCain's, and Edwards beats him.

by MeanBoneII 2006-11-13 11:26AM | 0 recs
Re: As of RIGHT NOW, Edwards is the only

No way, the people in SC still think that McCain has an illegitimate child of color!

by KainIIIC 2006-11-13 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

i was actually polled in this survey. surprised the heck out of me, but it was the night or two after the election last week. it was a buttload of options on presidential match ups, and they kept pitting odd republicans like Tom Tancredo against different democrats.  Towards the end, I really got bored with it, but my favorite 2 questions, in the "perpective" column, at the very end just after FDR vs Regan were:

Howard Stern-D vs Don Imus-R

and get this

Keith Olberman-D vs Bill Oreilly-R

loved that lol.  I voted for the dem every single time until they threw Al Sharpton against Condi Rice, then i was genuenly undecided

by Steven R 2006-11-13 06:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I think that's a good point.  Can we really take these results seriously if the poll itself is exhausting the people polled?  Who really pays attention or keeps interest through a whole poll if they're just listing random democrats and republicans?

by umcpgreg 2006-11-13 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Giuliani beats Gore, with the former picking up 390 EV.

Sad.

May it not come to be.

by Mumon 2006-11-13 06:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

But note that nationwide Guliani combines high name recognition with close to zero knowledge about him other than 9-11.

by BruceMcF 2006-11-13 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Gore vs. Huckabee

510-28

Gore takes all but AK, ID, OK, UT, WY, ND, and SD.

Huckabee doesn't even take Arkansas (loses 50-44).

Except for Arkansas, though, this is likely mostly a function of name recognition. In Arkansas its likely a function of the fact they actually know the guy. (I live in Arkansas for a while, and the idea of a President Huckabee is scary.)

by Elakazal 2006-11-13 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

As has been noted above, this is only meaningful if the contenders are already well-known nationally.  (Which, e.g., Bill Clinton was not at this point in 1990.)

For Dems this means Kerry, Clinton, Gore, Edwards.  Obama, Clark, etc are pretty well unknown except to the kinds of people who regularly read mydd :)

For GOP probably McCain, Giuliani, Rice, Gingrich, Bush. I'm not sure Frist even is very well-known nationally.  

Clinton loses to Giuliani 184-354;  Oregon goes Giuliani 51-41.

Also: what's the MoE on these things?  The electoral college has highly nonlinear response to uncertainties.

by Professor Foland 2006-11-13 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I suck; I missed that this matchup was reported above.

by Professor Foland 2006-11-13 06:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Obama is pretty well-known nationally... I'd saay about equal or more to Gingrich's name recognition.

by KainIIIC 2006-11-13 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Gore over Romney, 526-12

by dbarkley 2006-11-13 06:43AM | 0 recs
Edwards Guiliani
Guiliani wins 438-100
Edwards gets WI, IA, MO, WA, CA, VT, DC
by The lurking ecologist 2006-11-13 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Guiliani

And Guiliani wins Michigan by 2 percent 48-46.  Wonder who those other 6% are voting for.

by The lurking ecologist 2006-11-13 07:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Guiliani

They're undecided.

by X Stryker 2006-11-13 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards Guiliani

Then there are a lot of states that could flip either way on the undecided vote and this exercise is pretty useless.

Oh wait, this exercise IS pretty useless.

by The lurking ecologist 2006-11-13 11:31AM | 0 recs
Battle of the Wonks

[delurking]

Gore 511, Gingrich 27

If the stakes weren't so high, I'd probably pay just to follow that campaign.

by latts 2006-11-13 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
McCain - Feingold (because I thought it was cute)
525 - 13
Feingold gets WI and DC.
by Oxymoron 2006-11-13 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

McCain racks up 501 EVs against Biden.

by Illustrious 2006-11-13 07:43AM | 0 recs
Watch these numbers start to leak

into Rush Limbaugh's show, Glen Beck's commentary.

by JohnGor0 2006-11-13 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Watch these numbers start to leak

Can Limbaugh stomach McCain or Rudy? Doubt it.

by X Stryker 2006-11-13 09:41AM | 0 recs
I was able to hack into the system

I put up Jesus for the Democrats against a bowl of warm spinach for the Republicans.

All I have to say is Jesus has alot of work to do everywhere but in DC.

by JohnGor0 2006-11-13 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: I was able to hack into the system

I love Spinach and gotta say, not too big a fan of Jesus.

by umcpgreg 2006-11-13 10:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

by santos 2006-11-13 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups
I ran the Edwards-McCain one, too. I think Edwards-McCain is one of the most likely match-ups in 2008.
McCain 272, Edwards 266.
Really?  I think Edwards would do well here in Oregon.  Democrats don't necessarily care for him, but a lot of independents and Republicans like the guy.  More than McCain?  Maybe not.  Oregon, though, is trending Democratic.  Gore won by about 6,500 votes in 2000, Gov. Kulongoski won by about 28,000 in 2002, Kerry won by 68,000, and Kulongoski just won re-election at 52-43.  We just took the state house back.  Would Oregon really turn red just for McCain?
In their match-up, Oregon would be enough to turn the tide.
But are we sure Edwards would get Ohio as he does in the survey?  I think he would, because he's a populist.  But McCain gets Pennsylvania.  I doubt that.  Would Edwards get SC?  Probably not.  Would McCain get the Northeastern states, or Washington?  I doubt it.  Big question- Who gets Virginia?  McCain narrowly gets it, I think.
by jallen 2006-11-13 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I DON´T UNDERSTAND THIS ONE:
 Russ vs. Romney

Romney by far (340 something to 190 something), Russ only take CA, IA, WA, WI, IL, OH, NY, NJ, VT, DE, DC, MD and AR!!!!! 37.7 to 37.6
According to this one Russ can´t win even against Romney, I didn´t want to put Next because the name recognition thing, but against Mitt I thought was fair.

by santos 2006-11-13 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

I mean Newt

by santos 2006-11-13 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Edwards 538 - Huckabee 0

meh this means name recognition only

by neodem 2006-11-13 08:44AM | 0 recs
Edwards/McCain

Interesting match for sure.

by dk2 2006-11-13 09:39AM | 0 recs
This thing is stupider than all get-out.

No way I'm paying for simple-minded nonsense like this toy.  

by paul minot 2006-11-13 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

If you go to Pollster.com Survey USA has an ad that you can click on to do another matchup.

by nibit25 2006-11-13 09:59AM | 0 recs
Poll is useful when comparing apples to apples

When comparing those with high name recognition on each side, you get an idea of their relative standing 2 years out.

For Democrats, those with high name recognition are: Clinton, Kerry, Gore and (to a somewhat lesser extent) Edwards.

For Republicans, they appear to be: Giuliani, McCain, Gingrich and (more or less) Rice.

Of course, for the others, name recognition doesn't come for free.

by MeanBoneII 2006-11-13 10:27AM | 0 recs
Although this is a pointless name recogition...

...survey at this point, the data posted above by everybody does seem to indicate that Edwards may be the strongest canidate on our side at this point in time.  Since Feingold dropped out, I am currently canidateless, and, while I like Edwards, his Iraq War and Patriot Act votes, plus his extremely limited government experience (a single senate term, with no other government experience at all such as mayor or state legislature), have caused me pause in the past.

by Geotpf 2006-11-13 12:53PM | 0 recs
I see where you're coming from.

Edwards' mea culpa on his vote and his call early this year for beginning to withdraw troops appears to show that he really gets it, now.

He's also been overseas as co-chair of the Council on Foreign Relations Committee on Russia, and visiting Darfur to see first-hand the humanitarian crisis there (which he really emphasizes in his speeches). I think he  knows that foreign policy is the area he needs to shore up, and he's showing intellectual curiosity on a wide variety of topics.

by MeanBoneII 2006-11-13 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Although this is a pointless name recogition

(a single senate term, with no other government experience at all such as mayor or state legislature)

I must be getting old, since I don't think that being mayor or in the state legislature means anything more than that the person has been a politician their whole life.

To me, the fact that Edwards was able to become a multi-millionaire as a trial lawyer, combined with the kind of cases he took on, shows more about his talents than mayor would do.

The standard comparison people make, when there's not a VP on offer, is a governor, but of the four governors I have seen as President, neither Carter (who I liked), nor Bush-43 (who I loath) seemed to display very impressive executive management skills. And the non-governor, Bush-41, had a government resume a yard long, and I was not impressed by those results either.

by BruceMcF 2006-11-13 04:21PM | 0 recs
The governor thing is...

...the theory that Governors are in charge, and talk like somebody in charge, as opposed to senators, who are one of a hundred, and therefore talk wishy washy like one of a hundred.  Now, some senators rise above this in thier speaking style (Feingold, JFK, Obama), so making this an iron fast rule is very bad, but Kerry is a perfect example of the theory.

As for exerience, this is not any old political position we are talking about.  This is President of the Freaking United States
 here.  It would be nice to know somebody had at least some lower governmental experience, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this.

by Geotpf 2006-11-14 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: The governor thing is...

... I know what the image thing on the governor thing is, I was talking about whether it actually makes for a better President.

However, I do agree that spending too much time in the Senate can make someone into a qualifying windbag, though I have seen former Senator Edwards claim that he's fighting it.

by BruceMcF 2006-11-14 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

The Skinny vs. McCain

Edwards is -6 ECVotes
Hillary is -164 ECVotes
Gore is -216 ECVotes
Obama is -482 ECVotes
Clark is -520 ECVotes

Can even the blind see the obvious?

by philgoblue 2006-11-13 01:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

McCain v. Richardson is 499-53 with Richardson getting only NM, NY, & DC.

by cschmitt 2006-11-13 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Name recognition ... but even if you can filter out for people who know who Richardson is, I'm sure that information costs $50.

Putting up enough free information to get out onto the blogs and not enough for free to really get information out of the survey would seem to be part of the business model that SurveyUSA is using.

by BruceMcF 2006-11-14 05:16PM | 0 recs
Doesn't include spoilers

In '08, we're very likely to see Bloomberg make a quixotic as an indy that will pull major votes away from the GOP. The map may change considerably with whomever is the Dem candidate with a strong run by Bloomy or any of the "Unity 08" folks.

by moonbird 2006-11-13 06:32PM | 0 recs
Imagine a three way, all New York race

Hillary vs. Giuliani vs. H. Clinton.

Yikes.

by Geotpf 2006-11-14 01:39PM | 0 recs
Scoop needs an edit function

You know what I meant.

by Geotpf 2006-11-14 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Survey USA's 60 Presidential Matchups

Perhaps we should hold off with Obama until 2012. He's the only real ace up our sleeves, and it would really suck if his political career ended after he served two years in the Senate, then ran for President and lost.

Warner: 16 (Virginia)
McCain: 522

Same for Giuliani.

Warner: 139
Condee: 399

I was surprised at how bad these numbers are. I still think Warner and Richardson are the best two candidates, and that their numbers will improve as people outside their own states hear of them.

BTW, if anyone purchases a subscription, please be so kind as to post your user name and password.

by rech6779 2006-12-05 11:49AM | 0 recs

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