Richard Nixon versus Joe Lieberman

After losing the primary, Joe Lieberman changed his tune and began talking about ending the war in Iraq.  It's a very specific way of talking about ending the war, though, and you can see eery parallels between Lieberman and Nixon when Nixon lied about wanting to end the Vietnam War.  All of the Nixon quotes come from a speech on 11/3/69, which he gave a full 3 years and 9,000 American casualties before he was forced against his will by public pressure to end the war.

Nixon and Lieberman are very similar politicians, and it's not just that they both liked to use murky slush funds.

On Ending the War

EXAMPLE ONE

"I want peace as much as you do." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"No one wants to end the war in Iraq more than I do." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

EXAMPLE TWO

"I want to end the war." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"I want to help end the war in Iraq." - Joe Lieberman, 8/11/06

On Support for the War

"Many others -- I among them -- have been strongly critical of the way the war has been conducted." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"I have been very critical of a lot of the mistakes the Bush administration has made in Iraq." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

On Moving Forward From Here

"Many believe that President Johnson's decision to send American combat forces to South Vietnam was wrong. But the question facing us today is: Now that we are in the war, what is the best way to end it?" - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"The question is what do we do now. We are there, no matter what you think of how we got there." - Joe Lieberman, 10/8/06

On Having a Plan

"It is a plan that will end the war and serve the cause of peace." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"I recently, again, issued a 10 point plan to get the job done [in Iraq]." - Joe Lieberman, 10/18/06

On Refusing a Timetable

"A fixed timetable for our withdrawal would completely remove any incentive for the enemy to negotiate an agreement. They would simply wait until our forces had withdrawn and then move in." - Richard Nixon, 11/3/69

"If you tell your enemy when you're going to leave, they'll wait and create disaster." - Joe Lieberman, 7/6/06

On Those Opposed to the War

"I would be untrue to my oath of office if I allowed the [war] policy of this nation to be dictated by the minority who hold that [anti-war] point of view and who try to impose it on the nation." - Richard Nixon, 1969

"There is a real but unfortunately too often overlooked or concealed bipartisan American consensus in favor of this new war." - Joe Lieberman, 4/26/04

On Respecting Disagreement

"I understand why they are concerned, about this war. I respect your idealism. I share your concern for peace." - Richard Nixon, 1969

"I already know that some of you feel passionately against my position on Iraq. I respect your views." - Joe Lieberman, 8/7/06

Tags: Connecticut, CT-Sen, Joe Lieberman, Ned Lamont (all tags)

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Re: Richard Nixon versus Joe Lieberman

That's crazy!!  Very nicely done.  Lamont should do an ad comparing these two.  Of course, negative provocative ads are always a risk -- but I see some potential there.  

by Paul Hogarth 2006-10-23 11:46AM | 0 recs
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Stop obsessing with Lamont. He's going to lose. The only shot he has is if Bill Clonton and the rest of the Democratic establishment rides to his rescue like they tried to do with Lieberman in the primary.

That would signal to at least half of Lieberman's vestigual Democratic suporters that he's not the right guy to suport and might close the gaps to within a few points.

But, barring that, he's going to lose.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-10-23 11:56AM | 0 recs
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I wish I could predict the future like you can.

by Matt Stoller 2006-10-23 12:17PM | 0 recs
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I can't stand Lieberman whatsoever, but this is absolutely true.  All the happy talk in the world -- not to mention all the phone-banking, door-knocking, "The Kiss"-floating, and lawnsign-staking can't do what needs to be done, namely convince most of the Democrats in CT that JoeMentum is persona non grata in the party.  Only the party leaders can do that and they don't seem to want to.

Simply put, this is not an ordinary election, where a ton of grass-roots organizing can turn the tide.

Whatever. I have a long memory.  In 2008 I will remember well who did and did not stand by Lamont.

by space 2006-10-23 12:49PM | 0 recs
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So what do you suggest?  Give up two weeks before an election?  BS!! "Tons of grassroots organizing" CAN turn the tide - that's how elections are won!!  If the Democratic machines throughout the state turned out the vote - it could make a difference!!  (the courant just endorsed the 5 Democratic candidates for Congress - that could help Ned).

I think that this is going to be a close election - and a huge grassroots turnout COULD make a difference!!  

by Astraea 2006-10-23 03:40PM | 0 recs
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Plays right into Joe's hands.

Joe's been accusing Lamont of going after him personally, not ion the issues.

Guess what. Now taht Joe's fudged his stance on the Iraq war, all Ned has left to attack him on is being a flip flopper or beiung a liar.

Both personal negative attacks.

Joe played us perfectly. Got to hand it to him.

by Hesiod Theogeny 2006-10-23 11:58AM | 0 recs
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Joe Lieberman: Richard Nixon without the charm.

by msaroff 2006-10-23 12:02PM | 0 recs
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No offense to Stoller -- and kudos for pointing this out -- but I don't think this is as much of an accident as Stoller suggests.

Lieberman and his cronies may be a bunch of cynical, dirty bastards, but they aren't stupid.  And Lieberman did live through the sixties.  I suspect that Lieberman's camp, knowing full well that Nixon faced a similar circumstance, deliberately mined Nixon's statements.

by space 2006-10-23 12:43PM | 0 recs
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Bush probably told Joe he had a "secret plan" to win "peace with honor" in Iraq.

by Bush Bites 2006-10-23 01:13PM | 0 recs
Agreed

This obsession with Lieberman is petty, immature and revolting. If you are so gung-ho about the guy why don't you run against him next time. He's going to win and I predict be readmitted into the Democratic fold...enough of this mindless obsession and silly name calling.

by dantata 2006-10-23 02:28PM | 0 recs
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I am surprised that so many here are missing the point of Chris' article. We owe Lamont a huge debt of gratitude. Win or lose, he has an important place in history for how he shaped this election. That remains, regardless of what happens in the election.

And, I for one, am far from convinced that this is over. Way too much extrapolating going on here and elsewhere. That is leading with your chin, in politics. Especially when the smart trend-line watchers are choosing to ignore just how slippery Lieberman has been for far too long. I would rather be with the group that sees this as a political weakness rather than a strength.

by shermandem 2006-10-23 03:51PM | 0 recs
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I meant Matt's article. Sorry.

by shermandem 2006-10-23 03:52PM | 0 recs
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It wouldn't be so bad except that Nixon was actually better than Lieberman on domestic policies.

I can't believe I just said something nice-ish about Richard Nixon.

As for Lamont - he proved that Lieberman can't speak for Democrats, and that's good enough for me.

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This is absolutely brilliant.

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