Chertoff Still Uninformed About Katrina Details

I say uninformed because I really need to believe that the Secretary of Homeland Security is not lying for political reasons right now. From (emphasis theirs):

It was on Tuesday that the levee -- may have been overnight Monday to Tuesday -- that the levee started to break. And it was midday Tuesday that I became aware of the fact that there was no possibility of plugging the gap and that essentially the lake was going to start to drain into the city.

Nico at ThinkProgress points to Mayor Nagin talking about levee breaks on Monday morning as proof that Chertoff is dead wrong. I'd get a bit more direct. Here's an aerial photo from the Coast Guard, taken on Monday -- clearly not "overnight" -- and released to the press on Tuesday, followed by the caption from Reuters.

Flooded roadways can be seen in this photo released on Tuesday as the Coast Guard conducts initial Hurricane Katrina damage assessment overflights over New Orleans, Louisiana August 29, 2005. Prices for energy, cotton copper and grains surged on Tuesday, as skies began clearing on stunning losses to homeowners, business and commodity production a day after Hurricane Katrina devastated coastal areas of three Gulf states. REUTERS/Kyle Niemi/U.S. Coast Guard/Handout Photo by Reuters (Handout)

The fact that these people are still not up to date on what's been going on is appalling. The other day on NPR, host Robert Siegel had to argue with Chertoff about the situation in New Orleans at the convention center. While Chertoff shrugged of "rumors" of people left stranded, Siegel -- with audible frustration rising in his voice -- informed him that the reporter supplying the information had reported from war zones and refugee camps and was not reporting rumors. Chertoff said the following in response: "I have not heard a report of thousands of people in the convention center who don't have food and water."

It's incredibly scary to speculate on what kind of crucial information the feds are still ignorant of.

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Governments can't lie as easily as they used to..
Thanks to the Internet..

Thats why they hate it...

'The times they are a changin...'

BTW, people who have stuff like this should be spreading it around.. Sending it to the media.. etc..

Don't let them get away with blatant falsehoods out of disgust or apathy..

by ultraworld 2005-09-04 11:11AM | 0 recs
This Is What Caused The French Revolution
I have said this before on several occassions. What we are seeing, the GOP agenda, is to roll back the Enlightenment, and re-establish feudalism.  This is how they did things, with no accountability at all to the people, and utter disdain for their condition.  Eventually, the people rose up and threw them out--killing a large number of them in the process.

The conservatives, of course, could never take responsibility for this--or give the people credit for thinking for themselves, and having legitimate grievances. Instead, they concocted the myth of the Bavarian Illuminati--dismantled well before the Revolution started--as the hidden, conspiratorial architects of the Revolution

As Alan Sherman wrote, in the last verse of "You Went the Wrong Way, Old King Louis":

    You came the wrong way Old King Louie.
    Now we must put you on the shelf.
    That's why the people are revolting, 'cause Louie,
    You're pretty revolting yourself!
by Paul Rosenberg 2005-09-04 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: This Is What Caused The French Revolution
That reminds me of an old post where about about 1/2 way down I complained Yo, Dude! The goal post is that way!.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-09-04 01:29PM | 0 recs
People they are not ignorant
The Bushies know the power of repetition.

They know that the more they repeat bad news the more people believe it.

Thats why they continuously default to "I was not aware of that" or something positive because it isn't the reality that matters, its what's reported.

Its pretty simple PR coaching. You'll never hear them say that things are in dire straits because they're limiting bad news to sources other than themselves.

Therefore later when they revise history they can point fingers at others.

They did it on 9/11. "Know way of knowing..."

by ugottabkidding 2005-09-04 11:19AM | 0 recs
Scott... why...
"I say uninformed because I really need to believe that the Secretary of Homeland Security is not lying for political reasons right now."

Do you need to believe that?

I understand wanting to believe but we cannot afford either luxury. Why do you need to believe that?

This administration must be forced to resign. bush, cheney, brown, chertoff, rice, all of them.

No other response is acceptable.

by Andrew C White 2005-09-04 11:26AM | 0 recs
Different levees
Chertoff is partially right. The first reports of a breach at the 17th street levee came in very late Monday night/Tuesday morning. The first I saw of it was a comment at from a Tulane Medical person. However, the industrial canal levee broke in the later part of the storm itself, on Monday morning. And the resulting flooding from the industrial canal levee inundated the 9th ward. Since the industrial canal levee had already broken, it was pretty obvious that other levees were in jeopardy and the Feds should plan on an imminent massive flood.
by elrod 2005-09-04 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Different levees
chertoff is lying about plenty of other things these days.  Even CNN is calling him on it.

If you can't believe these people are willing to lie for any reason whatsoever, than we've got more work to do.

by democracyinalbany 2005-09-04 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Different levees
The greatest lies are built from half truths.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-09-04 01:30PM | 0 recs
Scott, you're too kind
Yes, they are lying for political reasons. Politics is accountability and they are trying to avoid accountability. Let's not let them.
by pdt 2005-09-04 01:48PM | 0 recs
He's lying
I say uninformed because I really need to believe that the Secretary of Homeland Security is not lying for political reasons right now.

That is how they get away with it, because no one is willing to admit the obvious.

by Alice Marshall 2005-09-04 02:22PM | 0 recs
Potemkin Country
An outstanding round up from The Heretik:

A small sample: (click through for links)

NEW ORLEANS, LOUISIANA IS NOW CAPITOL to a Potemkin country, where what things "look" like to some match not at all what is real, where all the effort is to hide truth rather than to make a better reality.

FOR THOSE UNAWARE RUSSIAN MINISTER POTEMKIN is said to have so wanted to  pleased his czarina that he created entire beautiful fake villages to ride through so "progress" might be perceived.  REALITY is something else than Bush would tell us  HERE. Consider a scene where a FAKE RELIEF STAND was built and heavy equipment placed only to be removed as soon as the President was removed from the scene.  

EMOTIONAL REMOVE OF THE PRESIDENT is the order of the day. FANTASTIC.  A mission accomplished is declared, but again unrealized.  On one of the few pieces of dry land in New Orleans, our "leader" drowns in self self delusion.  ABSURDITIES abound.

The Heretik has a biting political cartoon that is itself worth a short visit.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-09-04 02:23PM | 0 recs
said this am on MTP that "I was reading in the papers Tuesday" that the storm had passed and "NO had dodged a bullet."

Does the goddamned Secy of Homeland Security only get his information from the next days' papers? Shouldn't he have been getting hourly if not minute by minute updates from his department during and after the storm?

by desmoulins 2005-09-04 02:42PM | 0 recs
Uninformed v. Lying
A lot of you have taken me to task for saying I hope Chertoff is just uninformed and not lying. Here's where I come from on this.

For the Secretary of Homeland Security to be engaged in political lying right now would be nothing short of criminal. For the Secretary of Homeland Security to be ignorant of key details on the ground in a disaster area right now may not be criminal, but it's still cause for firing.

Either way, he -- and many others -- must be held accountable.

by Scott Shields 2005-09-04 03:09PM | 0 recs
The worse they get
The worse they get the more we look like conspiracy theorists.  Thats how sick the game is.
by jrflorida 2005-09-04 03:19PM | 0 recs
We need to take that picture
and post it all over the US, with a caption:  "The Republicans wanted to drown the Federal Government in a bathtub.  They got their wish."  New Orleans, September 2005
by Eli Rabett 2005-09-04 04:22PM | 0 recs
Times-Picayune Open Letter to President Bush
For those who have not already seen this over at Daily Kos, I strongly recommend reading this very powerful open letter from the staff of the New Orleans Times-Picayune to President Bush.  They really lay it on the line.  (Be patient, slow loading, it'll jump to the right article eventually.)

It's best read in its entirety, but for those who missed his/her diary, Words Have Power has also excerpted key passages here:

by arenwin 2005-09-04 04:27PM | 0 recs


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