Noe evil

Some examples of the signs that met Bush in Ohio:

"Mr. President, Give back all of my money,""What ethics?""$50 million for how many favors?'' and "Noe raised over $100,000 and you're only returning $4,000? Sounds like fuzzy math to me."

And the response of the Bush faithful:Toni Brandon, 33, said she hadn't read or heard any news about Mr. Noe or the Bureau of Workers' Compensation scandal. She and her eight-year-old son waited on a small hill near I-70 to try to catch a glimpse of the President as he headed toward the event. "We love the President. He's a Christian and these people are evil,'' said Ms. Brandon, referring to the protesters.

And the latest, Republicans have proposed a committee dominated by members of their party investigate the scandal. The Democrats in Ohio are refusing to participate in the committee unless it includes an equal number of Democrats and Republicans. National Democrats from Ohio are also speaking out.

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That's really what it comes down to, isn't it?  It doesn't matter what happened, or how badly the Republicans are screwing you personally, they are "Christian" and we are "evil."  What a very simple world some people live in.  

Our task is obviously to marginalize the "Christian v. Evil" people in the minds of fiscal and defense moderates and conservatives, rather than attempting to transform their INSANE point of view.  This whole Ohio brouhaha is a good way to get there.

by dhonig 2005-06-10 08:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Evil?
Of course, God could do a lot towards showing us he's there by allowing us schadenfreude. If and when  the fecocephalic "Christian vs. evil" masses finally wake up and realize how cosmically they've been buggered, the least God could do would be to make them admit by whom said buggery was done. I don't really wish harm to many people, but it would be quite satisfying to see utter morons such as Mrs. Brandon lose the house or whatever and be FORCED to admit that it was because of the "Christian" God-Emperor Himself. Never happen, though. Even if the sky were to fall, Rush and others would howl that it was yet another abomination of the Democrat Party.
by GaryHobson 2005-06-10 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Evil?
...Even if the sky were to fall, Rush and others would howl that it was yet another abomination of the Democrat Party....

No, no, no. Get it right. It's all Bill Clinton's fault.

by Michael Bersin 2005-06-10 12:56PM | 0 recs
Lots of Democrats are Christian
and lots of other religions..

I think that a lot of GOP 'activists' post to this site and others pretending to be Dems, with their goal being to scare off moderate voters by making Democrats seem pathetic or ridiculously divided or opinionated. They can't really argue on the issues because their position on the issues is shaky, so they resort to a sort of 'agents provacateur' approach..

What they are really doing is trying to destroy the public commons that is essential to the functioning of a democracy.. So the attack is really on democracy itself..

That said, my original post was going to say that lots of Dems are Christian, which is true..

Christian in action, not just in word..

by ultraworld 2005-06-10 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Lots of Democrats are Christian
Which is why, when I write The Daily Pulse, I distinguish between "Christians" and Christians.
by dhonig 2005-06-10 09:45AM | 0 recs
It's Not That Simple
The basis of conservative power in America is precisely this sort of attitude, which is not limited to a small fringe. The numbers of Americans who believe in God, and doubt or disbelieve evolution should tell you that.  This is not to say that all is lost. But it is to say that we've got to get a lot smarter about how to deal with this.

As luck would have it, I'm working on a book about it. One could even say I'm avoiding working on the book by writing this comment. But enough about me.

The point is, there are broad underlying attitudes that correlate with conservative politics. They incline people towards uncritical identification with "conservative leaders" even though those leaders generally have values and priorities sharply at odds with their own.  People simply tune that fact out, in favor of a comforting identification with leaders they "can trust." Changing the underlying attitudes is long, hard difficult work. And to make it even harder, traumatic events (can you say "9/11 changed everything?") serve to supercharge many of these attitudes.  

I explain this situation in terms of two separate things: (1) the underlying attiudes and (2) the creation of conservative identity politics.  Changing #1 is very difficult, and little is known about how to do it. But changing #2 is more doable.  

One way you do it is by giving people options--such as a candidate whose persona meets their approval, and whose policies are in line with their own.  What this actually means is a defacto liberal with a conservative biography. Like an anti-war Iraq War veteran. Which is precisely the sort of candidates we should be recruiting to win back Congress in 2006.

What's happening in Montana is another example of this same dynamic. It's not veterans there, but it is Democrats who represent the party's historical rural roots. They are real Montanans.  And their values are a much better fit with their state the GOP's are.  It's all about getting those values out there, and giving them salience.  (That means making them matter more than the phony Terri Schiavo BS).

by Paul Rosenberg 2005-06-10 11:34AM | 0 recs
Oops, forgot:
Isn't it amazing that the protesters were somewhere where the Mighty Son of Poppy could actually hurt His holy eyes by beholding them? SOMEONE'S head is gonna roll.
by GaryHobson 2005-06-10 08:58AM | 0 recs
Bring us to our knees
"...We love the President. He's a Christian and these people are evil,'' said Ms. Brandon, referring to the protesters...

Wasn't this a great country, or what?

by Michael Bersin 2005-06-10 09:06AM | 0 recs
Mow them down in the name of the Lord
Query: Who would Jesus bomb?

Answer: Iraqis and Democrats.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-06-10 09:21AM | 0 recs
i love that sign you posted, jerome.  friggin' classic.
by annatopia 2005-06-10 09:31AM | 0 recs
Bush & Christianity
Personally, when people express the opinion "Bush is good, coz he's a Christian" and such, I get ... bothered, to say the least.  As far as I'm concerned, just saying you're a Christian doesn't automatically make you one.  Bush and his cronies deceived the American people into supporting the current war in Iraq (which the PNAC'ers wanted way before 9/11).  How "Christian" is that?  Not to mention his and the GOP's other abuses of Christianity.  I won't say that there aren't Dems that wouldn't stoop to doing such things either.  But the current GOP crimes against the interests of Christianity are very visible, and I'm calling them on it.
by tive 2005-06-10 04:17PM | 0 recs


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