Republican Blog and Netroots Reaction to The Deal

My opinion of whether the deal was a victory for Democrats has increased somewhat after looking over the rather astounding reaction from Republican blogs and netroots.

Captain's Quarters

This, in short, has been a clear victory for the Democrats and a massive failure for the GOP and the White House. The GOP just endorsed the filibuster, and will have no intellectual capacity to argue against its use later on.Powerline: What a hideous deal! The Democrats have agreed to cloture on only three nominees, and they have made no commitment not to filibuster in the future, if there are "extraordinary circumstances." Of course, the Dems think any nominee who is a Republican is "extraordinary." The Dems have just wriggled off the hook on some of the nominees that, politically, some of them did not want to be seen voting against.

Someone explain to me why the Republicans haven't been rolled once again. To me, it looks like a pathetic collapse on the part of the Republicans--not the leadership, but Senators like McCain who sold out their party.

Hugh Hewitt: It is impossible to say whether this is a "terrible" deal, a "bad" deal, or a very, very marginally "ok" deal, but it surely is not a good deal. Not one dime more for the NRSC from me unless and until the Supreme Court nominee gets confirmed, and no other filibusters develop.Michelle Malkin: Scared Monkeys puts it succinctly: Compromise reached! Republicans screwed!Confirmthem.com: This deal is a load of cr@!` It is not compromise, but capitulation. And I say that as somebody who did agree that a certain form of compromise was acceptable.Various Free Republic commenters:
  • I just left the GoP. I'm done with them. Cowards.

  • We've been snookered again. Picture Lucy whipping the football out from under Charlie Brown for about the millionth time.

  • Who would have ever thought that the GOP Senators would have folded to Democratic Demands? I am Shocked! The last time I was this surprised was this morning when the sun came up.

  • The GOP is now dead to me. Bill Frist....ah why even bother..

  • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bill Frist cannot control the RINO's in the Senate. The Democrats win again.

  • What the HELL is this???????? We don't need a deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am furious. I will NOT SEND ANY MORE MONEY TO THE REPUBS. We didn't NEED a deal and we don't WANT a deal!!!

  • I mailed my change of registration in this morning. Welcome to the growing ranks of the unaffiliated.

  • This is a sad day for the Republican party, and the conservative movement in this country! The Dems will likely gain in Congress in 2006 because of this kind of cowardice. What's the matter with you folks in Arizona????? Is McCain the best you can do??

  • It seems like Frist wouldn't have to votes to stop a potential filibuster on a SCOTUS nominee.

  • Underneath the chestnut tree; The Republicans sold you, and the GOP sold me.

  • Not another frigging dime or a minute of my time, I stay home in 06' or vote libertarian. Unfreakin believable

  • If this is true it is truly an outrage. The only deal is the one the crats got. Everything they wanted. We got nothing. Only thing to do now is support a third party that can hopefully pick up 10-15% of the vote and use it as leverage to bargain.

  • Republican moderate - horse sugar! What a bunch of stupid little pricks.

  • Go to the National Republican Senatorial Committee to voice your outrage. Below is my letter: The "Republican" senators I helped get into the majority have compromised on President Bush's judicial nominations. I will tell every Republican I know not to contribute one thin dime to the NRSC ever again. We in the grassroots worked our tails off for this majority and McCain et al., have betrayed us, our president and his future Supreme Court nominees. I hope you realize that the NRSC will starve for funds for the foreseeable future. The 55-Senator GOP majority wasn't worth our effort. The RINOs made a disgusting mistake taking us for granted.
Outside the Beltway is the only "big" Republican blog I can find that actually thinks the deal was a good thing. When Republicans are this upset, we must have done something right.

Crooks and Liars has more quotes, and lots of video.

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31 Comments

Ha
Let,s hope they stay away. This might be true too. In '01, the defection of Jeffords proved to mobilize the troops of Republicans in order to get a solid majority over the next 2 elections. Now they have it. Look, the Republicans have promised the moon to the theocons for decades, and now, surprise surprise, the moderates, who went along with the shenanigan to begin with only for the majority, don't want to become puppets of theocracy.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-05-23 06:06PM | 0 recs
I wish
This is just standard procedure.

The GOP complains and complains and screams and bitches on their way to the next win, and the next, and the next.

by MNPundit 2005-05-23 06:13PM | 0 recs
reasoning
I think that although this wasn't that good a deal for democrats it was a good deal for the position democrats were in.  Republicans are a lot madder over this because (IMHO) they know that moderates don't like votes like this, but that they will most likely go along if forced.  If moderates can find compromises like this then the gop majority power has lost a lot of its steam.
by sterra 2005-05-23 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: reasoning
Fair point.  Maybe we need to pull some of them over.  Trade legislation votes.
by yitbos96bb 2005-05-23 08:17PM | 0 recs
Considering how much crap
these Reep Senators are about to have thrown at them, Dems should seriously start courting them. Any one of them could be a potential Jeffords, if the Freeps are going to get as nasty with them as it appears they are.

(I know, I know, "Vermont's different." But still.)

by catastrophile 2005-05-23 06:33PM | 0 recs
Not all that suprising when the wingnuts are upset
They believe that they should get everything they want and that there is no room for compromise.
by Painter2004 2005-05-23 06:37PM | 0 recs
Funny thing about wing nutz...
They are so oblivious they don't even realize when they kicked our ass...

Correction - the wing nut Senators & Bush/Cheney know when they are kicking ass and they are with both feet at once al al Bruce Lee... only their mindless fly monkey supporters don't know it...

The GOP machine need some more red meat for the '06 fund raising session and the Dems delivered to them... on a platter. A meaningless compromise that gives the GOP almost everything they wanted yet makes the rabble madder than hell so they keep fired up.

We gave a text book lesson on how to remain a powerless minority party.

by dryfly 2005-05-23 06:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Funny thing about wing nutz...
I agree. Frist can now try this again and again. We will back down and explain that we saved the principle. What good is a right that you agree not to exercise?  Besides, I predict that Bush and Frist will punish enough Republican Senators that when Frist next threatens the nuclear option (and he will), he will have all the votes he needs.
by antiHyde 2005-05-23 07:00PM | 0 recs
There's a BIG difference....
...between "exciting the base" and "pissing them off so badly they decide to stay home next year and never donate to the GOP ever again."

Did you two actually read the comments the wingies are making?  They're actually talking seriously about forming third parties.  Wingnuts NEVER form third parties -- at least, not until now.

Furthermore, did you understand WHY they were so upset?

See, for those of you who weren't following along, Dobson and Company have been whipping up their flocks telling them that the Nuclear Option would give them the keys to the Promised Land.  Therefore, they were to accept NO compromise.  NONE.  EVER.

But guess what?  Frist compromised.  And pretty wimpily, too -- at best, he's only guaranteed three non-filibustered nominations.

That's why, even though some of you all are whining, the Republicans are whining far, far louder.  They sound like a colicky baby convention, in fact!

by Phoenix Woman 2005-05-23 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: There's a BIG difference....
That's why, even though some of you all are whining, the Republicans are whining far, far louder.  They sound like a colicky baby convention, in fact!

Isn't that the way they always sound?

by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-23 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: There's a BIG difference....
Frist didn't compromise.  He was out maneuvered.  That is far worse.  If he does not pull off something big, the GOP moderates and the Dems just killed one possible 08 candidates chances.  Now if we can take out George Allen, we will be sitting in great shape... I'll take Tancredo or Brownback anyday... Those guys would be toast against nearly anyone.. Hillary, Feingold, Warner, Richardson etc.
by yitbos96bb 2005-05-23 08:20PM | 0 recs
Re: There's a BIG difference....
Just wait and see if Frist keeps the deal. If he doesn't, what did we win?
by antiHyde 2005-05-24 03:59AM | 0 recs
Re: There's a BIG difference....
It's not Frist's deal to keep. The 7 Republicans who are part of the deal are enough to keep Frist from spoiling it. That was the whole point.

The real issue whether all 14 can be trusted to keep their word. Given that these are the moderates, there's a real chance they might. Extremists, OTOH, are absolutists, and to an absolutist making a stand is more important than keeping one's word (even though keeping your word is, arguably, one of the Ten Commandments).

by DanK 2005-05-24 01:15PM | 0 recs
Learning from Ben.
Democrats across the country can learn a thing or two from Senator Nelson from my home state of Nebraska! Defeating the extremism and gaining from middle via compromise in the middle.

Yes, I love it.

by Christopher Hitchens 2005-05-23 06:56PM | 0 recs
To hell with all the extremists
Compromise is good for america
by Paul Goodman 2005-05-23 07:13PM | 0 recs
This kills Frist's 2008 chances
See, he needed the Dobsonites for 2008.  But their support was predicated on his not "caving" on the Nuclear Option -- they didn't want ANY sort of compromise.

Guess what?  He caved.  So he's toast.

This, in fact, is Trent Lott's making himself felt as Shadow Senate Majority Leader.  

You all remember Trent Lott, right?  Buddy of Strom Thurmond's, associates with Council of Conservative Citizens (aka White Citizens' Council)?  

Lott lost his job as Senate Majority Leader when Karl Rove decided to use the hoo-ha over Lott's Thurmond eulogy to replace Lott. Lott, while a loyal Republican, was not inclined to kiss Rove's ring.  So Rove replaced him with Catkiller Frist, who was far more subservient to BushCo and far less likely to see the Senate as independent of the Executive Branch.

Lott has been spending the past two years looking for a way to remind Karl Rove that he's not Augustus Caesar.  In wrecking Rove catspaw Frist's 2008 chances, I think he just found it.

by Phoenix Woman 2005-05-23 07:20PM | 0 recs
Re: This kills Frist's 2008 chances
Frist DID NOT CAVE.  He was out maneuvered... which is far far worse.  :-)
by yitbos96bb 2005-05-23 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: This kills Frist's 2008 chances
Lott wants it back too.
by Jerome Armstrong 2005-05-24 05:01AM | 0 recs
Killing the filibuster to save the filibuster
What am I missing? Didn't the Democrats agree not to filibuster in order to preserve their right to filibuster?
by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-23 07:39PM | 0 recs
2006 and 2008
The big gainers appear to be Lindsay Graham and John McCain.  McCain managed to recreate the appearance of being an independent voice and a Senate force without being much of either right now.  presumably, it will help hin in New Hampshire but kill him in Alabama.

Frist's chances look hurt.  The fundies will likely go for a more "pure" player in 2008, either a Governor (Owens? JEB?) or some real nutcake like Santorum (if he survives) or ...(pull a name out of the hat).  

I don't know if this fight will get either base revved up for 06.

And yes, GW Bush looks lamer and duckier by the minute.

by David Kowalski 2005-05-23 07:45PM | 0 recs
Brownback is Robertson's man.
He intimated as much in an interview.

I'm not so sure about Dobson. He did endorse McCain in 2000, and his ol' buddy Gary Bauer did the same after he dropped out.

by craverguy 2005-05-23 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Brownback is Robertson's man.
Hmmm. Does this mean we might be looking at a catfight between Dobson and Robertston? I've felt all along that the RR will start fighting among themselves for the power sooner or later.
by DanK 2005-05-24 01:17PM | 0 recs
Talk about wacko
Not another frigging dime or a minute of my time, I stay home in 06' or vote libertarian. Unfreakin believable

Hmm, so they support the theocracy but are voting libertarian.  They support the GOP ideals, the majority of which have led to the most intrusive government in history, yet they will vote libertarian who despise this administration.  WOW! I knew some of these guys were wackos but...
I bet these are the guys who think that all blacks are on welfare and lazy (Howard Stern played some of the racist songs out there.. Amazing the stupidity and the stereotypes that are still out there and believed).

On the bright side, at least it isn't a vote for the GOP.  As many wingnuts as possible want to vote 3rd party is fine with me.  COngress and WH by 2008.

by yitbos96bb 2005-05-23 08:16PM | 0 recs
Who cares what they think
by Parker 2005-05-23 09:37PM | 0 recs
I do.
If they think they can't trust the GOP, and Frist in particular, who do they become? 2008's version of the 2000 Greens.
by craverguy 2005-05-23 09:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I do.
oh yeah... and the wingnuts never feign fake outrage... on cue
by Parker 2005-05-23 10:31PM | 0 recs
Idiots...
"Not another frigging dime or a minute of my time, I stay home in 06' or vote libertarian."...

The most puzzling comment of all...

idiots

by NCDem 2005-05-24 04:59AM | 0 recs
Wow! They're just total dicks!
If anything can undo the GOP in the next few years, it is their blatant hubris.
by jcjcjc 2005-05-24 05:23AM | 0 recs
He who fights and runs away. . .
lives to fight another day.

Look at it this way.  This is a good fight to fight but it's the wrong time.  Next year. . .

Bush, Frist and the wingnuts can't possibly stand by this deal over the long haul.  They'll just nominate more ayatollahs and kick and scream if the Dems resist.

But -- polls are overwhelmingly opposed to the Gops on this one.  If we'd had (and lost) the showdown this week, voters would have had 16 months to forget it.  If we have the same showdown a year from now, the primaries and elections will be on us and the GOP moderates will have to sh*t or get off the pot.  If they uphold the filibuster and lose the renomination to an ayatollah, it's good for us.  If they kill the filibuster to win renomination, it's also good for us.

by drlimerick 2005-05-24 05:45AM | 0 recs
I can't believe you're all
falling for this. They bitch this way anytime there isn't total scorched-earth victory, but a day or two of flash emails from the RNC, and the time to realize that the 3 most horrible judges that they wanted are ALL getting votes, they'll quiet right down.

Myers and Saad weren't important to them, and they're going under because of legal problems anyway. Pryor, Owens and Brown were what the fight was all about. They got them ... three lifetime jurists who are corporate whores, who don't recuse themselves from cases involving people they have relationships with, who don't believe the government should protect women, minorities, workers or the environment.

The losers here are the American people, especially the Democratic Party base, betrayed once again by feckless traitors who care only about their own perks and keeping the corporate money taps open.

by Madman in the Marketplace 2005-05-24 08:16AM | 0 recs
We have rationality on our side. Let's use it.
We have rationality on our side. Let's use it.

 Regarding the compromise "deal" that has (so far) diverted the "nuclear option": I just don't get it. I mean, I just don't get the anger of the Left/Progressive side. (I do get the outrage of the Right/degressive side and I welcome it; it validates the idea that this is more a benefit to us Libruls than to the FreekRepugnants) Virtually all of the voiced disappointment from the Left is on the order of "the Dems caved, they should have stood and fought, we gave up the "right" to filibuster Owens, Rogers Brown, et al."

Say what? Hasn't 2 weeks of bloviation in the print and electronic media, along with endless lectures from all locations on the ideological spectrum penetrated anyone's consciousness? What filibuster? The whole point of the "Nuclear option" is that under Frist's strategy, there would be no filibuster - of Owens, of Rogers Brown, of the impending Supreme Court nominations and so on. When cloture was invoked, Frist would turn the Senate over to Cheney, Cheney would rule that 51 votes were all that was needed to change the rule on cloture. Dem leader Reid only had 49 votes (if that) in his pocket. Result: no filibuster. No debate on ANY nominee, now or in the future. Period.

Frist ( and Bush, Dobson, Perkins and the rest of the Freekin Right) had this won.A bi-partisan group of dissidents done him - and his puppetmasters - in. If you think the Extreme Right is an arrogant bunch of self-righteous, bullying blowhards now, imagine what they'd be like after very publicly sending Frist off to the Culture War with the warning that he'd better win or die trying.
Much talk has ensued about how this will damage the ability to block the Bolton nomination. Some suggest that this would be a test case of the "extra-ordinary circumstances" that should trigger a filibuster of his nominations. In  LaFollettes name,why? Bolton is an asswipe. Hardly unique in anyone connected  with this administration. Every President pretty much appoints a truckload of hangers-on, coatholders and other midlevel hacks to essentially high visibility,low responsibility positions precisely because they are "owed" something for their loyalty, but they are pretty much unsuited for anything like a real job.(All hot about Bolton to the UN? Name the Ambassador to Great Britain. To Japan. To South Korea.) That pretty much describes Bolton. Many of my fellow Progs/Libs are wringing their hands over how much damage Bolton could do to the USA image in the UN. (Assuming our image could be even more tarnished than it already is.) Personally, I think that's kind of insulting - not to mention patronizing -  to the members of the UN. At this late stage of the post-colonial age, I think they can handle Bolton on their own.

At any rate, IMHO, the Bolton nomination is just one of many examples of Karl Roves' stink bomb in the classroom tactics. Y'all remember, the classroom disrupters set off a stink bomb in the back of the room and rifle through everyone's desk while the rest of us are running about in panic. This adminoccupation and it's knuckle-dragging supporters have already demonstrated their complete contempt of the UN. Does anyone seriously think that the Bushies have a vested interest in which particular asswipe they send there? While the Left has put the revolver to the temple and threatened suicide over Bolton, the Bush Leaguers screwed the people on the Bankruptcy giveaway, advanced even closer to trashing the ANWR and drained even more of the peoples lifeblood out of the budget. Score? Another one for Rove.

Finally, the fear and anxiety of the possibility of the Gang of 14 Compromise precluding the use of the filibuster during the current session against Supreme Court nominees is already beginning to gain traction amongst my progressive Comrades. I understand this, as I feel that the "extraordinary" circumstances alluded to do indeed refer to the potential Supreme Court battle that is imminent. But even there, I have to wonder if anyone takes the time to apply a little rational thinking to these issues. Within two or three different tv stories conducted by the pundit monkees, the example posed to the usual duo of left-right representatives was presented as the question of "what if?" for example, Scalia was nominated to Chief Justice (Rhenquist is very ill; it's only a matter of time); would that count as "extraordinary" circumstances? Would the Dems try the filibuster and Frist push the nuclear button? Of course, the leftists immediately offered that "yes, indeed" , such an occurence WOULD call for the filibuster and the righties pounce and state that this will immediately result in the destruction of the Compromise and "allow" Frist to nuke the whole deal.

Again, why? Scalia is already on the Court, he's already a right-wing jerkoff and he's on for life. It makes little difference in the long run whether he attempts to subvert democracy as a Chief Justice or as an Associate Justice. (Same holds true if, say, Thomas were to be nominated by Bush for Chief Joker - although if that happens, then it's clear that the last 6 years has been a giant collective delusion and we'll all wake up and find out that Gene McCarthy was elected President in 2000 and the shock of such an occurence immediately put everyone - Left and Right - into a 6 year fugue state.)

At any rate, I believe that the above scenario is what the "extraordinary" circumstances refers to: i.e, the vacancy that occurs when a current conservative member of the Supreme Court is nominated to Rhenquists position. By vigourously fighting - but not filibustering - Scalia/Thomas, the Dems look good without giving up the chance to filibuster another extremist, potentially nominated to the resulting vacancy. By fighting the good fight to defend the nomination of a Scalia/Thomas ( a moot point, since they are already on the Court and Rhenquist would be gone = zero sum) the moderate Repubs have cover to honor their Compromise if/when the Dems filibuster the resulting nominee for the actual vacancy.

Frist knows this,but can't do anything about it without looking petty,  tyrannical and "unstatesmanlike", which is why this is a loss for him. Reid also knows this, which is why he deserves hosannas in the highest from you and I: from a minority, outgunned position, he pulled a small victory from certain defeat and he and all others involved deserve some credit.

Which reminds me: If I were some of these Dems (and a few moderate Repubs) and I had to read/listen to an unrelenting barrage of insults,disparagements and attacks on my character FROM MY OWN SUPPORTERS I'd probably say "The Hell with all a ya, and the horse you rode in on" and walk away. Many of these folks are keeping the Dems - and Progressives/Liberals - in the fight as demonstrated by some fine performances on CSpan during the debates. If we want to build on small victories to win big battles (the only way for the minority to win, BTW) then we should voice our support when our side does something right, at roughly twice the rate that we slam 'em.

So get writin'.

LastXGaspe
 

by LastXGaspe 2005-05-24 10:08PM | 0 recs

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