Frost vs. Dean

Martin Frost is a Democrat. In the 1990's, he was chair of the DCCC for two terms, during which Democrats gained fourteen seats in the House. Also, his voting record is really not that bad, and he certainly is not a member of the Fainthearted Faction. However, that does not mean that he is an acceptable choice for DNC Chair. As Anna writes: i do give him credit for being able to stay in office as long as we did, and also for the record i fought to keep him as my representative during he redistricting fiasco. on top of that, i helped write an attack ad against pete sessions for blogpac during martin's last race.

that being said, i was ashamed of the way martin ran that campaign. he not only ran to the right of sessions, he basically put pro-bush ads on the air. i've seen the numbers for dallas county as well, and the pro-bush campaign may very well have hurt a few downticket dems.(...)

but most of all, he HATES the netroots. anybody reading this post needs to realise that martin does not value nor respect you as an activist unless his own butt is on the line. he fears you, as you represent change and reform. i have dealt with the guy's staff, i have dealt with him a few times in person, and i promise you that i'm telling the truth.

regardless, i hope this video sheds some light on why i don't support martin for the chairmanship.

Check out the video on Anna's site. You will find it on the page I linked.

Also, Kos weighs in:

Frost is a conservative Democrat, which by itself is not a disqualifying factor (at least not to me). I'm a proponent of the big tent, and we need Democrats of all stripes to take back our country from the cabal currently running it into the ground.

But I do demand that Democrats sound like Democrats, and aren't afraid to say they're Democrats. That's why Martin Frost would be a terrible choice for DNC chair.(...)

Democrats don't hold a single statewide elected office in Texas. There are plenty of races for Frost to run in if he's bored and looking for something to do.

But a Democrat who ran his race by demonizing Ted Kennedy and sucking up to Republicans has no place anywhere near the DNC chairmanship.

Considering the Florida endorsement and the recent polls on the DNC race, Dean's apparent edge combined with Frost's clear second place will probably result in the Anyone But Dean or an Anything But Reform movement consolidating behind Frost. This then, will become the battle.

Democrats need to know where the netroots stand on this. Our current poll, I think, makes it pretty obvious. I would also like to reiterate a few points previous made on MyDD. First, something I wrote about Roemer last month:

Unless Roemer publicly, loudly and completely repudiates his recent position on Social Security, he is utterly unacceptable as DNC chair. Mark my words: if Roemer becomes chair without doing this, I will actively encourage all progressive activists to donate and volunteer to third-party groups instead of and at the expense of the DNC. The Fainthearted Faction has no place in the Democratic leadership.Then I clarified, after these comments appear on national TV: Thank you to This Week with George Stephanopoulos for mentioning MyDD on its program today. I would also like to clarify that when I wrote about "third party groups" in this article, I was referring to allied organizations including labor, environmental, civil rights, 527's and C4's such as MoveOn, Blog Pac, America Votes and the Sierra Club, not to third political parties such as the Greens and the Libertarians.And Jerome added: That's an important clarification that's probably missed by most. What's happened with the Democratic party, with the soft money and millionaire supporters no longer able to make large sum donations to Dem orgs like the DNC/DSCC/DCCC is that they've went elsewhere, creating this whole infrastructure that is being built outside the Democratic party organizations. And, in almost every respect, these 3rd party groups are more effective than the the Democratic Party groups, and that's after only one election.

I'm convinced that the mental framework of those in the ASDC and Congress is that the small donors have merely replaced the previous large-money donors, and that we have no where else to go. What the Democratic Party leadership in DC and these states needs to realize is that the DNC relys upon the small donor as it's netroots ATM, yet the netroots does not rely upon them. We have just as much an opportunity to win campaigns by working with these outside organizations as we do by ATMing with the DNC et. al.

I would like to make a further clarification: I don't have to tell the netroots to do anything. Typically, the netroots is extremely self-starting, and it does things on its own. The MyDD poll gives Frost 3% support for DNC chair, and word is he doesn't like us either. The netroots will always work to elect Democrats and progressives, but I think it is pretty obvious that the relationship between the DNC and the netroots would be all but severed if Frost is elected DNC chair.

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Momentum or Albatross?
I'd like to think that this is a good omen for Dean chances of heading the DNC, but I remember all too well how the Anybody But Dean forces rallied into a fierce alliance following Al Gore's endorsement. That endorsement was reported as Dean's ascension to the presidential nomination, as the engine in his insurgent juggernaut. It came to be his undoing as the status quovians teamed to make his campaign the target of character smears, rumormongering, and the politics of the long knife.

What will the other state delegates make of the Floridians move? We shall see. It's way too early to call Dean the front runner, especially if you want him to win.

by Screwy Hoolie 2005-01-18 09:01AM | 0 recs
From a former Dean staffer....
....the previous comment is directly on point. Dean's success in this horserace up to now has been precisely BECAUSE the ABD forces hadn't coalesced.

(Remember Dean's apparently strong standing in late Nov. '03, just pre-Saddam, when Kerry looked dead in the water in NH polls, and Clark was poised but seemingly unready to be the new media darling, and everyone else was in standstill...a fragmented opposition is an insurgent campaign's best friend).

Now look at the media subtext from two or three weeks ago. What were the three stories on this race? 'Dean chugging along,' 'Boo to pro-life Roemer,' and 'Some want McAuliffe to stay'. Three GREAT stories for Gov. Dean (b/c there was no real chance T-Mac was sticking around, so that story just evidenced the frustration of ABD's).

But a quick glance at the news from the past few days shows a telling shift in narrative. Look at the new frequency of mentions of Frost's name next to Dean's, since the 'T-Mac, please stay' stories have subsided.

I'm telling you, as someone who fought six months in NH and held 4x8's in 6-degree weather for the man, a shortcut to a mano-a-mano showdown is BAD NEWS for those of us looking for a Chairman Dean.  

DNC members are waiting to see the narrative settle. The longer that Webb and Rosenberg are mentioned in the same sentence as Dean and Frost, the longer Dean's 38% is a huge asset. When it turns into a two-man race, 38% just becomes 13 points short of 51 and the anti-Dean folks get extra time to work their black magic.

The #1 lesson from this NH Primary vet: Always keep an eye on the narrative, and pre-empt it when it's moving in a bad direction.

But the FL story is great. Hope, not fear...

by CT Lex 2005-01-18 09:55AM | 0 recs
Statement of purpose
I'll repeat the central mantra of the newly emerging netroots consensus:

You can be a Democrat and be liberal.  The more the merrier.
You can be a Democrat and be moderate.  Welcome to the party.
You can be a Democrat and be centrist.  Help us win.
You can be a Democrat and even be a conservative.  What you do in the privacy of your own home...
But, you can not be a Democrat and wage partisan war with the other side.

by manyoso 2005-01-18 10:00AM | 0 recs
I agree with Anna
I volunteered for Frost campaign and would support him again to represent our district. He has proven to be an excellent representative for the citizens of Dallas.

I don't support him for chairman of the DNC. I support Dean. The DNC needs Dean to transform the party away from the old power/money structure of which Frost is a key component.

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE FROST. He is a shrewd and ruthless politician and will tenaciously rally the Any Body But Dean crowd behind his candidacy.

If you want Dean to succeed, redouble your efforts to show your support for his candidacy.

by Joe 2005-01-18 02:13PM | 0 recs
Frost & Netroots
"The MyDD poll gives Frost 3% support for DNC chair, and word is he doesn't like us either."

Why do you say that. His campaign had a blog ad on Kos, Talking Points Memo, Atrios and the Burnt Orange Report. He also gave interviews to the BO Report and Off the Kuff.

So why do you think a candidate who bought blog ads and gave blog interviews hates netroots?

Is it because Anna, who obviously has a personal gripe with Frost, says so?

Whether you are for Frost or not, spreading that he doesn't like netroots and taking freeze frames from his ads out of context is not right and cheapens your cause of free flowing information. The blogs lose credibility when they are not credible.

by jonestune 2005-01-18 05:26PM | 0 recs
I've written several posts on the race on my blog at Burnt Orange Report.  And yes, I disagree with Andrew's diary post earlier - I think that it was inappropriate. I run a group blog and we are all entitled to our own opinions.  However, I seriously object to Anna's comment here:

"but most of all, he HATES the netroots. anybody reading this post needs to realise that martin does not value nor respect you as an activist unless his own butt is on the line. he fears you, as you represent change and reform. i have dealt with the guy's staff, i have dealt with him a few times in person, and i promise you that i'm telling the truth."

That may have been Anna's experience, but I have dealt with both Martin and his staff, and that was not my experience. Frost may not be the most tech-savvy guy in the world, but I had very close contact to his campaign staff throughout the campaign. Whenever I had a question or had something I wanted to blog on, it was responded to promptly.

And for the purposes of full disclosure... Frost's campaign spent $80 buying two months worth of ads on my blog during the campaign. However, the access that I had to his campaign extended throughout the entire campaign - after the ads had completed their run. I didn't receive any consulting fees, or anything else.

by ByronUT 2005-01-18 07:36PM | 0 recs
Frost or Dean? Save us! We need Rosenberg.
For anybody who really cares about the future of the party, the country, or the netroots, it is deeply depressing to think that either Dean or Frost may end up as head of the DNC.  It is entirely specious to say that either man has any real know-how on how to inspire change and build community through the internet.   Neither had anything to do with the internet until guys like Trippi and others who knew a thing or too about political organizing came along.  For Dean to say he invented the netroots is like Gore saying he invented the internet.   As for Frost, isn't he yesterday's answer?  Fine man, no doubt.  But the next key strategist and operator to pit against Rove, Mehlman and Ralph Reed?   You got to be kidding.  The only one of the seven candidates who can outfox the Republican media and poltical machine at their own game -- and get the party winning again --  is Simon Rosenberg.    That is why pros like Trippi, Mike McCurry, and a slew of up and coming dems who actually fought and won hard races in red states with Rosenberg's help are publicly backing Rosenberg.  
by jennielane 2005-01-21 04:44AM | 0 recs


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